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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

nota bene said:
Spare me your snarkiness please. I am unaware of any studies of pubescent girls taking Plan B. This could be, of course, because it's not widely available to them yet. In the meantime, I have pointed to multiple drugs that have been regarded as safe that turned out not to be. It's not unreasonable to worry that this new pill will be any different, particularly since children will have access to it.
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Exactly! What is the tude all about anyway?

Anyhow, the part I bolded, absolutely true. We hear about this ALL the time. They are always removing drugs from the market because of dangerous side effects. Clinical studies do not always yield effective results. And your point about children having access to it making us all the more concerned is SPOT ON!
 
CanadaJohn said:
So, according to you and your source, a woman and her doctor can basically commit a fraud on an insurance company by getting a prescription for an over the counter drug and the government is in on the scam, forcing the insurance company to not only pay for the fraudulent prescription but to also pay for the doctor visit and the writing of the prescription. And people wonder why healthcare in America costs so much.
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Actually, I believe any medication given in a hospital and/or ER is "prescription", even Tylenol.
I know, it's dumb. Doctors!
 
joko104 said:
Message #20 on page 2 of this thread. Most notable is the potential for a ectopic pregnancy. I could find other material to explain this can be lethal. There are, of course, other dangerous side effects.

A plus of selling them out of the pharmacy and with a record kept, but no prescription, could address this somewhat by basic warning being given. It is unlikely a 16 year old would (or even could) read the micro legalistic print the put on warning sheets.
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I agree that they should be dispensed by a pharmacist, and thanks for the info
 
nota bene said:
Spare me your snarkiness please. I am unaware of any studies of pubescent girls taking Plan B. This could be, of course, because it's not widely available to them yet. In the meantime, I have pointed to multiple drugs that have been regarded as safe that turned out not to be. It's not unreasonable to worry that this new pill will be any different, particularly since children will have access to it.
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My understanding is that pubescent girls have taken it in other countries.

And your concern applies to every single drug. Every single one
 
sangha said:
My understanding is that pubescent girls have taken it in other countries.

And your concern applies to every single drug. Every single one
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Please provide the links to foreign studies of pubescent girls, and thank you.

Meanwhile, you're trying to trivialize the discussion by dismissing concerns as standard for every drug. This may be true, but the current discussion is about little girls, young females, taking hormonal drugs.

I have provided specific examples that mark the development of such hormonal drugs--the earliest of "the pill," Premarin, RU-86, and Jaz. Each one of these was perfectly "safe" for "most women." Except that they weren't safe enough.

You show me evidence of those foreign studies, and please make them longitudinal and representative of the effects of Plan B over time for these pubescent girls.
 
nota bene said:
Please provide the links to foreign studies of pubescent girls, and thank you.
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Request denied. The FDA has reviewed the evidence and their medical professionals have come to the conclusion that it is safe. That's good enough for me.

If it's not good enough for you, then you can post evidence that this drug poses a significant risk to pubescent females.

Meanwhile, you're trying to trivialize the discussion by dismissing concerns as standard for every drug. This may be true, but the current discussion is about little girls, young females, taking hormonal drugs.

I have provided specific examples that mark the development of such hormonal drugs--the earliest of "the pill," Premarin, RU-86, and Jaz. Each one of these was perfectly "safe" for "most women." Except that they weren't safe enough.

You show me evidence of those foreign studies, and please make them longitudinal and representative of the effects of Plan B over time for these pubescent girls.
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No, there's no "may be true" about it. The specific concern you mention applies to every single drug, OTC or not. Your "think of the children" argument also applies to every single drug, not just drugs with hormones in them.
 
Jack Hays said:
Powerful reply. Well done. Happy Sunday, CJ.:2wave:
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Don't you love it when conservatives cheer on other conservatives citing idiotic conservative blogs. It's a closed loop of counterfactuality.
 
nota bene said:
I would too. I keep thinking about how "the pill" was safe. How Premarin was safe. How RU-86 was safe. How Jaz was safe. And how this new pill may only be equally as safe or far more dangerous when used by children whose bodies are still developing.
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Thank God pregnancy and parturition are safe. Wait . . .
 
sangha said:
Request denied. The FDA has reviewed the evidence and their medical professionals have come to the conclusion that it is safe. That's good enough for me.

If it's not good enough for you, then you can post evidence that this drug poses a significant risk to pubescent females.

No, there's no "may be true" about it. The specific concern you mention applies to every single drug, OTC or not. Your "think of the children" argument also applies to every single drug, not just drugs with hormones in them.
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So you aren't able to provide stats on any longitutinal studies conducted. No surprise to me; I doubt that there have been any. But you did make reference to foreign studies, so it seems to me that you'd be able to provide links to these. Why aren't you being forthcoming when you've made this claim?

Let me repeat: We don't know what the effect on pubescent and/or pre-pubescent girls are. We know only that other hormonal "miracle solutions" have been in the long term for adult women, and it is upon this fact that I base my point.

So to what part of "the pill's" long-term effects and Premarin's and RU-86's and etc. do you object? Are you seriously unable because of your pre-set views to acknowledge legit concerns over hormonal pills' effects on little girls when there is no evidence over the long term that they are safe?

If you're genuinely concerned about women's--and little women's health--I really don't understand why you're being obstreperous here.
 
nota bene said:
So you aren't able to provide stats on any longitutinal studies conducted. No surprise to me; I doubt that there have been any. But you did make reference to foreign studies, so it seems to me that you'd be able to provide links to these. Why aren't you being forthcoming when you've made this claim?
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Just an FYI ...

The UK limits the age because they want doctors to council the pre-16 on sex and other possible solutions like the pill, depending on the amount of sex they're having.

Age Restrictions on the Morning After Pill


Since it's been available to "underage" females in many European countries for many years I have to assume it's safe or they would have banned it, themselves, or at least put age restrictions on it. That fact that they haven't speaks for itself. Do you think Europe is less concerned for it's citizens than we are?

Contraception: buying the morning after pill in Europe
 
If you have links supporting longitudinal studies on the effects of Plan B on pubescent girls, I'd be really glad if you'd share them. I'm not informed enough to judge whether the lack of European reports indicates safety or not. If you are, link me up please.
 
nota bene said:
If you have links supporting longitudinal studies on the effects of Plan B on pubescent girls, I'd be really glad if you'd share them. I'm not informed enough to judge whether the lack of European reports indicates safety or not. If you are, link me up please.
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That's why I said it was an FYI. Just knowing they've been selling them for over decade over there is plenty of information for me. The FDA doesn't do human studies for that long before releasing drugs on the market. I have enough confidence that European countries protect their citizens at least as well as we do --- and you obviously don't. :shrug:
 
So,ya, about that 21 year old drinking age....

Doesn't get much more arbitrary and capricious.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Actually, I believe any medication given in a hospital and/or ER is "prescription", even Tylenol.
I know, it's dumb. Doctors!
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What an idiotic analogy. Of course all medications given in a hospital are by prescription - it's not at all similar to picking up a pill at the local pharmacy. Too stupid.
 
From this article:
Myth: Emergency birth control pills are unsafe.

Fact: Emergency birth control pills are very safe.

Emergency birth control pills work exactly the same as regular birth control pills. In fact, emergency birth control pills are the same medication as many birth control pills, used in a specific way. Birth control pills are one of the best-studied and safest drugs available today. The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) approved the Yuzpe regimen and Plan B®. Both methods work well and are safe.

You can get Plan B® in pharmacies and many family planning clinics. Other clinics and pharmacies also fill prescriptions for emergency birth control pills by using repackaged birth control pills.

Some women experience mild side effects—like nausea, diarrhea, and fatigue—for a short period of time after taking emergency birth control pills. Even women who cannot take regular birth control pills for medical reasons can use emergency birth control pills. For more information, check with your health care provider.

Like regular birth control pills, emergency birth control pills cause no increased risk of
ectopic pregnancy or of birth defects.

Emergency birth control pills do not interact negatively with other drugs, and you can’t become addicted to them.

You should not take emergency birth control pills if you are pregnant.
Only because they won’t work if you’re already pregnant!
Emergency birth control pills will not harm the embryo or fetus.


Myth: Emergency birth control pills are not safe for young women.

Fact: Young women have been using birth control pills as emergency contraception since the 1960s.

No studies of emergency birth control pills have included women younger than 15.

But no one has reported harmful effects on young women. In fact, major medical associations, such as the Society for Adolescent Medicine and American Academy of Pediatrics, support easier access to emergency birth control pills because they are entirely safe for teenage and adult women.

Emergency birth control pills are safer than aspirin.
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Myths and Facts About Emergency Birth Control Pills
 
hfd said:
If the child is mine why can't I determine what's best for it? Or should I depend on a government to make that determination for me? If a 13 year old is competent enough to deal in contraceptives then why should the society care at what age he/she is involved in child bearing. After all, if we are but the result of millions of years of evolution, then we certainly can be no more special than any other mammal? Right?
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Because you will die and all that matters then is how well you took care of your offspring. It's how we survived through those millions of years of evolution. You are obviously a outlier, destined for extinction.
 
nota bene said:
So you aren't able to provide stats on any longitutinal studies conducted. No surprise to me; I doubt that there have been any. But you did make reference to foreign studies, so it seems to me that you'd be able to provide links to these. Why aren't you being forthcoming when you've made this claim?

Let me repeat: We don't know what the effect on pubescent and/or pre-pubescent girls are. We know only that other hormonal "miracle solutions" have been in the long term for adult women, and it is upon this fact that I base my point.

So to what part of "the pill's" long-term effects and Premarin's and RU-86's and etc. do you object? Are you seriously unable because of your pre-set views to acknowledge legit concerns over hormonal pills' effects on little girls when there is no evidence over the long term that they are safe?

If you're genuinely concerned about women's--and little women's health--I really don't understand why you're being obstreperous here.
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I don't see any evidence of any risk posed by long-term use, and it makes no sense because MAP's aren't used on a long-term basis. They are emergency contraception.

IOW, you're arguing something you have no evidence for, and for a mode of use (long-term) that is not only the complete opposite of its' intended use, but is highly unlikely to actually happen.

I'd also point out that the problems with older forms of BC was due to the high levels of hormones they used that were taken on a daily basis, a situation which is not going to happen with MAPs.

And if you were genuinely concerned with the health of these young women, you would not be so obstreperous concerning their ability to end a pregnancy that could threaten their health and their life over some fictional risk.
 
nota bene said:
If you have links supporting longitudinal studies on the effects of Plan B on pubescent girls, I'd be really glad if you'd share them. I'm not informed enough to judge whether the lack of European reports indicates safety or not. If you are, link me up please.
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You've got it bass-ackwards. If you want to argue that there's a risk, then post some evidence.

If we banned drugs because there might be a risk, then we'd have to clear the pharmacies of every drug. Goodbye statins, goodbye chemo, goodbye every life-saving drug we've developed over the last 50 years.
 
iguanaman said:
Because you will die and all that matters then is how well you took care of your offspring. It's how we survived through those millions of years of evolution. You are obviously a outlier, destined for extinction.
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Got a headline for ya'. We all die. So you think we are a product of evolutionary accidents?
 
head of joaquin said:
Don't you love it when conservatives cheer on other conservatives citing idiotic conservative blogs. It's a closed loop of counterfactuality.
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Except for the fact that I'm not a conservative and you ducked the opportunity to deal with the substance of the post, you're spot on.:cool:
 
CanadaJohn said:
What an idiotic analogy. Of course all medications given in a hospital are by prescription - it's not at all similar to picking up a pill at the local pharmacy. Too stupid.
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Not stupid, it was to point out that insurance companies do cover OTC drugs - as long as they are by prescription. If I'm in the hospital I don't have to pay for the Tylenol the give me, my insurance company does that. I just wanted to point that out before you made some big deal of it.
 
nota bene said:
So you aren't able to provide stats on any longitutinal studies conducted. No surprise to me; I doubt that there have been any. But you did make reference to foreign studies, so it seems to me that you'd be able to provide links to these. Why aren't you being forthcoming when you've made this claim?

Let me repeat: We don't know what the effect on pubescent and/or pre-pubescent girls are. We know only that other hormonal "miracle solutions" have been in the long term for adult women, and it is upon this fact that I base my point.

So to what part of "the pill's" long-term effects and Premarin's and RU-86's and etc. do you object? Are you seriously unable because of your pre-set views to acknowledge legit concerns over hormonal pills' effects on little girls when there is no evidence over the long term that they are safe?

If you're genuinely concerned about women's--and little women's health--I really don't understand why you're being obstreperous here.
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Can pre-pubescent girls even get pregnant?

I highly doubt that a single treatment with the morning after bill can impact a young girl's hormones so gravely. Eating processed food or food packaged in plastic likely has a great impact on hormones than that.
 
head of joaquin said:
Again: you have posted the real established medical facts and nothing but chirping crickets from the anti-choice posters. All they can do is assume counterfactuality and then run with it.
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I can't argue either way on the safety of use for the mother, but it's certainly terminal for the unborn child. That sucks.
 
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