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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

One of the side effects being death of the teenage girl is a bit concerning.

But I'm sure they all would read the long 2 point type warnings and advise like we all do for any pills receive. You know, fold out that paper and read all the tiny print very carefully. Teenagers are always particularly careful to follow instructions before doing anything, particularly long, tiny print legalistic instructions with lots of technical terms.
 
I think that it should be sold by a pharmacist so that someone can provide information (not counseling) to the child. However, I don't a reason to get the parents involved, just as they do not need to be involved every time a child takes an aspirin. Again, your concern is not about the childs health; it's about enforcing the parents control over their children which is not the job of a pharmacist.

It should be a behind the counter non-prescription drug for that reason, but I also think a data base should be kept.

"Aspirin" in not a good analogy. Although very rare, the can cause death if the teen does not know the warning signs.
 
It should be a behind the counter non-prescription drug for that reason, but I also think a data base should be kept.

"Aspirin" in not a good analogy. Although very rare, the can cause death if the teen does not know the warning signs.

Yeah, I think that would probably be best.

And aspirin probably wasn't the best analogy, but the fact is, just about every drug can be dangerous for some people. It's just that those drugs are not related to sex.
 
Teaching your children is your responsibility first as a parent. There is nothing wrong with holding to the idea that schools are there to prepare children for a career and the parents are there to prepare them for life.

And when that fails? What do we do then? Make childrens lives worse because their parents are a-holes? I thought every life was important.
 
One of the side effects being death of the teenage girl is a bit concerning.

But I'm sure they all would read the long 2 point type warnings and advise like we all do for any pills receive. You know, fold out that paper and read all the tiny print very carefully. Teenagers are always particularly careful to follow instructions before doing anything, particularly long, tiny print legalistic instructions with lots of technical terms.

Hmm. One of the side effects of pregnancy is death too. What are we to do?
 
As I used to argue with Shal--------Abortion pill or your daughter bearing the offspring of some dawg she let mount her in a teenaged drunken stupor........................

Good morning Bonz - hope you're well and having fun.

As for the question, I'd respond - 13 yr old daughter going through it alone or with the help of her mom and/or dad or even an older sibling who can talk with and listen to her after the fact, discuss the consequences, and help her feel good about herself moving forward. Some things in life require a level of emotional development that most 13 yr olds haven't yet acquired.
 
The morning after pill prevents ovulation and keeps an egg from being fertilized. If fertilization has already taken place the morning after pill does not keep it from implanting nor does it cause an abortion of an implanted zygote/embryo.

True enough, and does nothing to ask a 13 yr old girl why she has so little self respect for herself and her body that she allowed herself to get into the situation in the first place. Stripping down the potential pregnancy of a 13 yr old to the clinical medical details does nothing to assist a young adult to grow and learn from her mistakes, unless, of course, you're a person who believes that 13 yr old girls should enjoy promiscuity as a normal course of elementary school graduation.
 
True enough, and does nothing to ask a 13 yr old girl why she has so little self respect for herself and her body that she allowed herself to get into the situation in the first place. Stripping down the potential pregnancy of a 13 yr old to the clinical medical details does nothing to assist a young adult to grow and learn from her mistakes, unless, of course, you're a person who believes that 13 yr old girls should enjoy promiscuity as a normal course of elementary school graduation.

Wow ...just wow...
Nothing like putting words in my mouth I never said.

My post was only facts about how Plan B works.

You have a right to your own opinion but you do have a right to make up a scenario and accuse me of promoting promiscuity in a 13 old girl.

Stepping off my soapbox now...
 
At what point in a kid's life should the parent no longer be held responsible for the kid's actions? For example, if the kid can obtain the 'morning after' medication w/o parental consent why should the parent be held responsible for the kids food, clothing, etc, or for that matter schooling? Just asking.
 
nearly every "cough" medicine you purchase has DXM in it. It stands for dextromethorphan hydrobromide. From what i know it does not have any actual curative value. It is a powerful dissasociative that makes you feel more comfortable at low doses. At higher doses the stuff is probably one of the more powerful psychoactive drugs around. It has effects similar to ketamine and PCP though it is potentially much safer due to the way tit works.



Benedryl, or dyphenhydromine hydrochloride, is a common ingredient in allergy medications, OTC sleeping pills, and I do believe it is also used for motion sickness medications which are also OTC. It will actually cause visual hallucinations at fairly minimal doses. From what i have seen the effects start around 3-5 times the recommended dosage.


The morning after pill is not being abused for the sake of entertainment. Also, if you are really worried about your child doing this get them some regular Birth control. The only people who would abuse these things are those whos parents keep them deliberately ignorant so they seek out stupid solutions. You do not need the morning after pill if you already are on BC and using it properly. parents who are truly worried about these things could easily bring their daughters in to be presented with some actual information instead of just being silent about it and hoping their teen gets the right information from their stupid friends, or some comic book, or whatever they hope will educate their kids for them.


things happen and kids have sex. One of the reasons many kids do things is because it is taboo. Not telling them about things does not prevent them from doing it. The only thing it does is prevbent them from using any information in making their choices, and it leads to them keeping everything a secret from their parents until it is too late. I would personally rather my daughter delayed ovulation for a few days to prevent pregnancy than to have to deal with a pregnancy. It is one thing to have sex and deal with the emotional crap that comes from teenage love. It is another thing to be saddled with a child when you are a teen. It is still another realm of stupid to hope your kids don't have sex. That is unless your kid is really ugly.

I raised two daughters, long since gone. I didn’t have many rules but no sex until they finished H.S. or until they reached their legal age. When it came to my rules, I would sit them down and in a low, quiet voice told them exactly what I expected. As far as I know, they followed that rule. Once they reached the legal age of 18, both went on birth control pills. But I had a another rule. As long as they lived under my roof, neither was to get pregnant until they married. Neither did. My oldest daughter moved out at the age of 19 and got married. My youngest daughter lived under my roof until she was she was 30, got married and finally moved out.

I don’t buy all this talk of teenagers are going to do what they are going to do. My oldest daughter lives across the road from me, she has had two daughters, one out of H.S. now and married and one still in H.S., as far as either one of know, neither had sex in H.S. She passed down the same rules I passed on to her. My youngest daughter has a daughter now age 4 and a little boy less than a year. My oldest daughter has also raised two boys, one in the army who has served a year in Afghanistan and one who just graduated from H.S. Neither one of those ever got a girl pregnant either.

So I would say those of my family do not believe a teenager is going to do what ever a teenager does, taboo or not. That is modern day poppycock.
 
What sort of individual concerns themselves with the intimate details of their grandchildren's sexual experiences?
 
I have a bad feeling about this one.

My concern is someone else putting it in a woman's food to cause losing a ZEF she wants or to prevent pregnancy to begin with - her not even knowing. People not only can go crazy to try to prevent an abortion, other people also can go crazy trying to terminate someone else's pregnancy.

I'd prefer it be 1.) be behind the counter and 2.) limited to sales to females and 3.) a record kept of anyone who buys it.

There also needs to be INTENSELY harsh laws passed about giving this to someone without the person's knowledge. Some men and some parents totally freak out learning their girlfriend, mistress or daughter is pregnant. I see potential problems. A women likely wouldn't even known why she lost the ZEF thinking it just a miscarriage. In regards to ZEFs, its like selling cyanide pills OTC. Just slip one to any woman and end a pregnancy she wants, but you don't, in the learn stage. Or even routinely without her knowledge to avoid it happening in the first place. There also is the question of what happens if someone takes a lot of them or slips someone a lot of them at the same time.

For those reasons I'm not fond of that ruling. Those all are not only very legitimate health concerns, but also assault concerns.
Then you support gun control??? :shock:
 
Wow ...just wow...
Nothing like putting words in my mouth I never said.

My post was only facts about how Plan B works.

You have a right to your own opinion but you do have a right to make up a scenario and accuse me of promoting promiscuity in a 13 old girl.

Stepping off my soapbox now...

There is a tendency on the right to view everything through a moral lens. Therefore, a 13 year old child can not be merely ignorant; she must have little self respect. A wanting to prevent a child from getting pregnant means that you are promoting promiscuity
 
What sort of individual concerns themselves with the intimate details of their grandchildren's sexual experiences?

A grandparent who loves their grandchildren and wishes to hand down some wisdom.
 
The time for teaching their child about sex has passed

Then I suggest you avoid being a mentor in a child's life. Any time you can teach a child to have a more responsible sex life is good. Some may take time and many mistakes, but it is wrong to just say you can't teach them just because of one mistake or just because they are having sex.


You are contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that even kids who just had unprotected sex won't rush to get it, and at the same time argue that all the kids are going to be using it regularly.

And MAPs aren't a temporary band aid. They prevent a pregnancy. Prevented pregnancies don't come back.

As far as sex ed goes, no parent is prevented from teaching their child about it. If they need to hear that their child bought Plan B in order to get their ass in gear, then they're not really being responsible themselves.

I'm saying that they don't leave all upset in a hurry just to rush to get Plan B if they think they have at least a day or 3. But along with that, if they make that first one, no pregnancy, then they begin to trust that Plan B will work for them and it is more convenient than other forms of birth control. It isn't a contradiction, but an observation of how many humans act/think. Convenience is enticing to many young people, especially when it is connected to saving their butts from something they fear, like pregnancy. Unfortunately, Plan B is not affordable to most teens, particularly on a regular basis, but teens won't consider this fact for the most part because they are in fact teenagers.

You are missing the point completely. No one is perfect. They can't know that they didn't do a good job at teaching their children about sex if their teen is able to hide potential problems because of the convenience of purchasing emergency birth control. Parents aren't mind readers and children do not come with instruction books, such as "how to talk to your child about sex in a way that they will never have unprotected sex that could lead to pregnancy or diseases". That isn't how parenting works.
 
Except there is no proof that this action will lead to fewer unwanted children or teenage mothers.

lol really? I would think that since its proven to work, every single pill taken represents a potentially unwanted child that will never be born. If one fertilized woman takes it for its desired purpose, how does that not instantly mean fewer (by one at least) unwanted children?

"No hypothesis ought to be maintained if a single phenomenon stands in direct opposition to it." - Lord Bolingbroke

Princeton University states:

"But making ECPs (like Plan B) more easily available has not yet resulted in a decrease in unintended pregnancies in any population, because women do not use EC every time they have sex" (I think this is also from the Plan B website)

Emergency Contraception: Plan B

Just because someone has an unwanted child later doesn't change the fact that they don't have one now. Besides, Plan B is only now becoming readily available...
 
There is a tendency on the right to view everything through a moral lens. Therefore, a 13 year old child can not be merely ignorant; she must have little self respect. A wanting to prevent a child from getting pregnant means that you are promoting promiscuity

I don't even think "moral" is the right word. I would say "punitive". If something bad happens, conservatives first impulse is to blame and punish somebody instead of trying to solve the problem.

What's really happening in the Plan B debate in the minds of conservatives is something like: the girl had teen sex, so let's punish her by forcing her to have the child. That'll teach her!.

They overlay that with moralizing about abortion (totally bogus since Plan B isn't an abortion pill) and the end of America due to declining values. But the real point is for conservatives -- let's punish the girl!
 
Then I suggest you avoid being a mentor in a child's life. Any time you can teach a child to have a more responsible sex life is good. Some may take time and many mistakes, but it is wrong to just say you can't teach them just because of one mistake or just because they are having sex.

Which is why I never said that you can't teach them because of one mistake. What I did say is that the time should not be used as an excuse to delay or prevent the child from preventing a pregnancy.


I'm saying that they don't leave all upset in a hurry just to rush to get Plan B if they think they have at least a day or 3. But along with that, if they make that first one, no pregnancy, then they begin to trust that Plan B will work for them and it is more convenient than other forms of birth control. It isn't a contradiction, but an observation of how many humans act/think. Convenience is enticing to many young people, especially when it is connected to saving their butts from something they fear, like pregnancy. Unfortunately, Plan B is not affordable to most teens, particularly on a regular basis, but teens won't consider this fact for the most part because they are in fact teenagers.

You are missing the point completely. No one is perfect. They can't know that they didn't do a good job at teaching their children about sex if their teen is able to hide potential problems because of the convenience of purchasing emergency birth control. Parents aren't mind readers and children do not come with instruction books, such as "how to talk to your child about sex in a way that they will never have unprotected sex that could lead to pregnancy or diseases". That isn't how parenting works.

Actually, there is little to no evidence that the regular use of Plan B instead of more appropriate forms of BC will result from this, and as you point out, it's not economically feasible for teens.

Part of doing a good job as a parent is gaining the trust and respect of your child so if and when they get in trouble, they come to you (or at least some other adult). In my family, we make it clear that they can come to us for help *and* support, and that while we don't approve of mistakes, we will help them deal with it. Parenting is about more than just dispending information.
 
Yeah, I think that would probably be best.

And aspirin probably wasn't the best analogy, but the fact is, just about every drug can be dangerous for some people. It's just that those drugs are not related to sex.

And hence the real fundie agenda here. Don't the conservatives blather endlessly about deregulating the FDA and allowing drug compaines to get products on the market without complete testing? It's one of their favorite talking points. I guess it only applies to drugs that don't involve women having control of their reproduction. That's going too far for the Palin types.
 
Wow ...just wow...
Nothing like putting words in my mouth I never said.

My post was only facts about how Plan B works.

You have a right to your own opinion but you do have a right to make up a scenario and accuse me of promoting promiscuity in a 13 old girl.

Stepping off my soapbox now...

It's how the conservative mind works: confronted with facts that countradict their vapid memes, they counterattack and shout, forget the facts, you're promoting immorality.

And we are back to the endless conservative loop. It's promotes immorality to educate kids about sex, and when these uneducated kids have sex, it promotes immorality to help them avoid pregnancies with Plan B. And thus they can continue to bemoan the state of morality in the US unhindered by a coherent way to do something about it.
 
It's how the conservative mind works: confronted with facts that countradict their vapid memes, they counterattack and shout, forget the facts, you're promoting immorality.

Sorta like progressives on gun control....

Thank God. At long last. Looks like that Marxist Obama has outwitted the tea baggers and boomsticklovers again!


Gun pornography.

Joaquin's Law: boomsticklovers can't make more than 10 posts before introducing gun porn.
 
At what point in a kid's life should the parent no longer be held responsible for the kid's actions? For example, if the kid can obtain the 'morning after' medication w/o parental consent why should the parent be held responsible for the kids food, clothing, etc, or for that matter schooling? Just asking.

Right. Just because a child is yours, why should you feed it? Just don't abort a fetus, that would be wrong. Once it pops out, it is on its own.
 
Wow ...just wow...
Nothing like putting words in my mouth I never said.

My post was only facts about how Plan B works.

You have a right to your own opinion but you do have a right to make up a scenario and accuse me of promoting promiscuity in a 13 old girl.

Stepping off my soapbox now...

I didn't accuse you of anything or put any words in your mouth - however, if you're feeling guilty about your position in this matter, I can totally understand how you'd feel very uncomfortable.
 
I don't even think "moral" is the right word. I would say "punitive". If something bad happens, conservatives first impulse is to blame and punish somebody instead of trying to solve the problem.
How true! :(
 
I didn't accuse you of anything or put any words in your mouth - however, if you're feeling guilty about your position in this matter, I can totally understand how you'd feel very uncomfortable.

Not uncomfortable at all about my position on this matter.
My position is that plan B prevents pregnancy but does not cause an abortion.
 
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