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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

Re: Judge orders morning-after pill available without prescription

There are parents who are so worried their daughters will get pregnant, they start them on depo shoots and other long term birth control as soon as their first menstrual cycle. I think that that is nuts. At least this is a little more practical.

And the sooner you take it, the better.

Right! Putting the morning after pill right next to the chewing gum is a great idea!

At least the long term BC you first mentioned is administered by a doctor.
 
Re: Judge orders morning-after pill available without prescription

From a December 2011 LA TIMES article:

Side effects of Plan B include nausea, which 1 in 4 women experience, and, less frequently, vomiting, abdominal pain, dizziness and breast tenderness. But beyond those immediate effects, doctors say Plan B is extremely safe and effective. "There are no medical contraindications, and it doesn't interact with other drugs," Chen says.

One reason it's safe is that, even though Plan B is similar to birth control pills, it has no estrogen in it — only levonorgestrel, a progestin hormone. That means Plan B does not carry the risks of blood clots that pills containing estrogen do. Also, Plan B is a single dose drug, not something women take every day (or nearly every day).

Advocates say that restricting access to emergency contraception leaves young teens facing unwanted pregnancy. Nearly 750,00 girls aged 15-19 get pregnant each year in the US, and 59% of those pregnancies are carried to birth. "It's preposterous to allow a teen to become pregnant when there is a safe, nontoxic method to prevent that from happening," says Corinne Rocca, a researcher at UCSF's Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health.

Similar products are available over-the-counter in other countries, such as Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands, South Africa and Thailand with no specific age restrictions. In Britain, France, Australia and China, emergency contraception can be purchased from pharmacists without a prescription but is kept behind the counter, as it is in the U.S.

In Britain, buyers have to be at least 16. In France and Belgium, the medication is provided free of charge for girls younger than 18 without an age restriction.

A look at the controversy over Plan B pill access - Los Angeles Times
 
Another dishonest argument. I never said you claimed that insurance covers OTC drugs

People who realize that their position and emotionalism are not supported by the facts will often make things up

For example, they'll imagine that OTC drugs are covered by health insurance
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Do you deny posting the above in your comment #188?
 
Point out one comment I posted where I claimed that insurance covers OTC drugs? I didn't. You're the one who stated it in response to my comment that the reproductive rights people and their friends in the administration and HHS will see that the pill is "free" under Obamacare.

You really should learn to comprehend the meaning of words when used in sentence form.
Do you not consider "Obamacare" as insurance? All the Republicans that pushed that approach - in fact, insisted on it - would disagree with you.
I wouldn't be too worried about the cost angle - the reproductive rights people who brought this case and their friends in the Obama administration and HHS will ensure that the pills are "free" under Obamacare - just an extension of the "Fluke" rule.
 
Do you not consider "Obamacare" as insurance? All the Republicans that pushed that approach - in fact, insisted on it - would disagree with you.

There's a difference between my assertion that the Obama administration and their friends in the reproduction rights lobby will ensure that the morning after pill is covered under Obamacare and all OTC drugs being covered by insurance. I appreciate that Sangha is too dishonest to admit it but if you're going to jump in and defend his position, you should at least know what you're talking about.

Just to be clear, HHS has already mandated that the morning after pill has to be covered by insurance policies and was enforced on Catholic institutions during the Sandra Fluke controversy. The article attached refers to just that point. It's why the mandate is being challenged in court.

Contraceptives and the ACA: Going over the Mandate Cliff | Cato Institute
 
Why do leftists feel that concerns about a child's health is none of a parent's concern when it relates to sex/contraceptives/abortion, no matter the age of the child?

I wonder if you'll ever make an effort to refute something that someone has actually said
 
Agreed. The act is not the issue; the pill's safety is my concern. Also, of course, the role of the parents. Not good for little girls to be making medical decisions for themselves by themselves.

The pill is safer than many other OTC drugs already freely available to them. Most common side effects seen are headache and irregular menstrual bleeding. (period)
 
I wonder if you'll ever make an effort to refute something that someone has actually said

I refute things you say on a regular basis. It's a waste of my time, admittedly, but someone has to challenge your nonsense.
 
The pill is safer than many other OTC drugs already freely available to them. Most common side effects seen are headache and irregular menstrual bleeding. (period)

Except for a couple of things that are only talked about for those who find out that have issues, which is why we have to get a prescription for birth control from a doctor. One such risk is blood clots. If you have certain blood disorders, that risk can increase a little to significantly depending on which one. Most girls don't know they have those blood disorders, particularly not as teens, because there really aren't any major complications related to them except for reproductive issues, such as heavy periods/cramping, increased risk of blood clots, and increased risk of having a miscarriage if pregnancy occurs. The hormones in birth control, including Plan B, are what cause the increase risk of blood clots.
 
Except for a couple of things that are only talked about for those who find out that have issues, which is why we have to get a prescription for birth control from a doctor. One such risk is blood clots. If you have certain blood disorders, that risk can increase a little to significantly depending on which one. Most girls don't know they have those blood disorders, particularly not as teens, because there really aren't any major complications related to them except for reproductive issues, such as heavy periods/cramping, increased risk of blood clots, and increased risk of having a miscarriage if pregnancy occurs. The hormones in birth control, including Plan B, are what cause the increase risk of blood clots.

I'm not sure of this, but I suspect that the risk of blood clots results from daily use of BC, not irregular use.
 
Except for a couple of things that are only talked about for those who find out that have issues, which is why we have to get a prescription for birth control from a doctor. One such risk is blood clots. If you have certain blood disorders, that risk can increase a little to significantly depending on which one. Most girls don't know they have those blood disorders, particularly not as teens, because there really aren't any major complications related to them except for reproductive issues, such as heavy periods/cramping, increased risk of blood clots, and increased risk of having a miscarriage if pregnancy occurs. The hormones in birth control, including Plan B, are what cause the increase risk of blood clots.

The effects of a one-off dose differs from a regular prescription.
 
There's a difference between my assertion that the Obama administration and their friends in the reproduction rights lobby will ensure that the morning after pill is covered under Obamacare and all OTC drugs being covered by insurance. I appreciate that Sangha is too dishonest to admit it but if you're going to jump in and defend his position, you should at least know what you're talking about.

Just to be clear, HHS has already mandated that the morning after pill has to be covered by insurance policies and was enforced on Catholic institutions during the Sandra Fluke controversy. The article attached refers to just that point. It's why the mandate is being challenged in court.

Contraceptives and the ACA: Going over the Mandate Cliff | Cato Institute
Was that before or after the latest decision to make it OTC??? If it was before then your argument is outdated and useless.
 
Was that before or after the latest decision to make it OTC??? If it was before then your argument is outdated and useless.

It doesn't matter if it's covered or not. A teen who doesn't want their parents to know isn't going to have the insurance pay for it because if they do, the parents will find out about when they get an EOB from the insurance company

It's just another of the many red herrings the emotionally overwrought like to throw on the table to stink up the discussion.
 
Was that before or after the latest decision to make it OTC??? If it was before then your argument is outdated and useless.

The HHS decision and the lawsuits were before this court ruling that the morning after pill would be made available OTC. The OTC argument, however, is just a smokescreen thrown up by Sangha, a favorite tactic of his, to divert from the point being made. I never claimed that insurance companies will cover all OTC drugs or anything remotely similar - I simply stated that the reproductive rights lobby and Obama and his HHS will ensure that Obamacare covers free of charge to the patient the provision of the morning after pill.

Are you going to sit there and tell us now that HHS is going to remove its regulations requiring that the morning after pill be covered free of charge under Obamacare because a court ruled it should be provided to young teens over the counter? Seriously? I'll have to group you with the nonsense Sangha posts if you do.
 
I'm not sure of this, but I suspect that the risk of blood clots results from daily use of BC, not irregular use.

Actually, it is part of it, but not the only part. The irregular period thing also plays a part. Don't you think women's bodies may not appreciate getting an extra dose of hormones when it isn't supposed to, sometimes either stopping or starting a period before the body is ready?

And whether you all want to admit this or not, we aren't talking about responsible women here who would only take that one dose once in a great while, but teenaged girls who are more likely to misuse this than slightly older, college age girls who already admit they are.

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I know someone personally who was using Plan B as her primary birth control method, until she got pregnant. She used it at least 2 times in 3 months and would have used it more if she had had the money (and this is the times I knew of).

People are lazy and they have grown accustomed to convenience items. Plan B was meant to be an emergency item, not a convenience item. But it's advantages of being able to be used after the fact, vice other birth control methods has made many view it as a convenient method of birth control. This isn't fiction, or in rare cases, it is reality.
 
The HHS decision and the lawsuits were before this court ruling that the morning after pill would be made available OTC. The OTC argument, however, is just a smokescreen thrown up by Sangha, a favorite tactic of his, to divert from the point being made. I never claimed that insurance companies will cover all OTC drugs or anything remotely similar - I simply stated that the reproductive rights lobby and Obama and his HHS will ensure that Obamacare covers free of charge to the patient the provision of the morning after pill.

Are you going to sit there and tell us now that HHS is going to remove its regulations requiring that the morning after pill be covered free of charge under Obamacare because a court ruled it should be provided to young teens over the counter? Seriously? I'll have to group you with the nonsense Sangha posts if you do.

Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.
 
The HHS decision and the lawsuits were before this court ruling that the morning after pill would be made available OTC. The OTC argument, however, is just a smokescreen thrown up by Sangha, a favorite tactic of his, to divert from the point being made. I never claimed that insurance companies will cover all OTC drugs or anything remotely similar - I simply stated that the reproductive rights lobby and Obama and his HHS will ensure that Obamacare covers free of charge to the patient the provision of the morning after pill.

Are you going to sit there and tell us now that HHS is going to remove its regulations requiring that the morning after pill be covered free of charge under Obamacare because a court ruled it should be provided to young teens over the counter? Seriously? I'll have to group you with the nonsense Sangha posts if you do.
I don't think any insurance company will cover any OTC medications, ever. If they do it'll be a first. At this point I have a long history on my side and you all you have is speculation. If you want to call it "nonsense" then I suggest you revisit the meaning of the word.
 
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Actually, it is part of it, but not the only part. The irregular period thing also plays a part. Don't you think women's bodies may not appreciate getting an extra dose of hormones when it isn't supposed to, sometimes either stopping or starting a period before the body is ready?

And whether you all want to admit this or not, we aren't talking about responsible women here who would only take that one dose once in a great while, but teenaged girls who are more likely to misuse this than slightly older, college age girls who already admit they are.

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I know someone personally who was using Plan B as her primary birth control method, until she got pregnant. She used it at least 2 times in 3 months and would have used it more if she had had the money (and this is the times I knew of).

People are lazy and they have grown accustomed to convenience items. Plan B was meant to be an emergency item, not a convenience item. But it's advantages of being able to be used after the fact, vice other birth control methods has made many view it as a convenient method of birth control. This isn't fiction, or in rare cases, it is reality.

IOW, the "evidence" of abuse is:

1) a post on a blog from some anonymous poster on the internet
2) your anecdote

Excuse me while I :roll:
 
Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.

Because teens are stupid. We are talking about teens here. They don't always think about their actions. I guarantee you that there have been loads of teens caught buying something they weren't supposed to because they used their parents' credit card and didn't think about their parents getting the bill and being able to see where they bought it or in some cases, even exactly what was bought.
 
Because teens are stupid. We are talking about teens here. They don't always think about their actions. I guarantee you that there have been loads of teens caught buying something they weren't supposed to because they used their parents' credit card and didn't think about their parents getting the bill and being able to see where they bought it or in some cases, even exactly what was bought.

If a teen is stupid enough to charge the cost to their insurance, then the parents will be notified on the EOB

Problem solved!!
 
It doesn't matter if it's covered or not. A teen who doesn't want their parents to know isn't going to have the insurance pay for it because if they do, the parents will find out about when they get an EOB from the insurance company

It's just another of the many red herrings the emotionally overwrought like to throw on the table to stink up the discussion.

The insurance company and the pharmacy may be in contravention of HIPAA if they were to disclose to the parents the child's use of the drug. HIPAA provides that the parents MAY NOT be the minor's personal representative under the act when the minor is the one who consents to care and the consent of the parent is not required under State or other applicable law. Clearly, if the court's ruling in this matter is upheld, the child has the authority to seek and administer the medical care without parental consent so to inform the parent in any way after the fact would be a breach of the act.
 
Note how CJ refuses to respond to my argument for why teens who don't want their parents to find out will not use their insurance to pay for MAPs.

I just did - see above. Note how Sangha changes the subject when he's proven wrong.
 
The insurance company and the pharmacy may be in contravention of HIPAA if they were to disclose to the parents the child's use of the drug.

Another dishonest claim. Quelle surprise!

HIPAA does not prevent insurance companies from reporting what it has paid for. In fact, insurance companies are required to report this on their EOBs
 
I don't think any insurance company will cover any OTC medications, ever. If they do it'll be a first. At this point I have a long history on my side and you all you have is speculation. If you want to call it "nonsense" then I suggest you revisit the meaning of the word.

If your comment isn't nonsense, ask yourself this. Currently, the morning after pill is a mandated coverage for insurance policies under the regulations under Obamacare. After this court rules that the drug can be provided OTC to young teens, do you honestly believe that HHS is going to change the regulations to remove the morning after pill from the mandate or are you suggesting that adult women will still have to get a prescription but young teens won't?
 
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