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U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%[W: 831]

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Conservative said:
When did I say my analysis was fact, only the data posted is fact and you already acknowledgedthe data was accurate. I love the excuses Obama supporters make for the data always blaming someone else and never placing any blame on the leader in charge.
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And where did I say OBama was not to blame for anything?
 
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Conservative said:
Obama administration claims they saved existing jobs which is something that no one can really count but rather can only give opinions about.
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Much like the right did with Bush when they said Kerry would be worse. They can only give their opinions to justify Bush's failures.
 
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Fletch said:
In other words, you cant back it up. Thanks.
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I offered to answer as soon as you place the same scrutiny to the right.
 
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TheNextEra said:
While I don't agree with it, the standard that the stimulus was successful was their opinion that MORE jobs would have been lost if not done. I don't agree with it, but it is every much an opinion just like those that say we would have been better off without the stimulus. There is no way to prove any side wrong since both are essentially using opinions to justify success or failure.

Both sides have used this excuse to justify bad numbers. The right used it when they said Kerry would have been worse than Bush to justify voting for Bush again and the left uses it when they say the economy would have been worse if the stimulus not done so they pushed it.
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So when one cannot prove something passing off an opinion as fact seems to be acceptable even though the debt has risen 6 trillion dollars since Obama took office and there are fewer employed today than when the recession began. How can anybody claim a success with those numbers?

I voted for Bush because of the actual numbers and the Kerry record, I chose wisely.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Much like the right did with Bush when they said Kerry would be worse. They can only give their opinions to justify Bush's failures.
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Wrong, Bush had a record to run on, a record supported by data. All one had to do was look at the record and then view Kerry's voting record and the choice was clear. With Obama personality trumped a dismal record.
 
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Conservative said:
So when one cannot prove something passing off an opinion as fact seems to be acceptable even though the debt has risen 6 trillion dollars since Obama took office and there are fewer employed today than when the recession began. How can anybody claim a success with those numbers?
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Just like your opinion that Kerry would have been worse. You justify the failures of Bush by saying Kerry would have been worse.

Conservative said:
I voted for Bush because of the actual numbers and the Kerry record, I chose wisely.
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Your opinion noted, but your partisanship shines brightly.
 
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Conservative said:
What is it going to take for you to accept responsibility for Obama's failures. The numbers are there for all to see but you choose not to pay any attention to them. I have posted before the goals of ARRA so please tell me why YOU believe it was a success. The claim of saving jobs, how do you define a saved job? Does it make any sense for you to spend 842 billion dollars and generate the numbers he generated a year after ARRA? what is it in that Opinion piece that is wrong? There are many opinions including everything you post which you are entitled to post however factually your information is false.
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LOL

PolitiFact Texas | President Obama says Gov. Perry used stimulus fund to help balance budget, then started 'blaming' federal lawmakers who voted for legislation


Adam Abrams, a White House spokesman, told us that Obama was referring to stimulus funds when he said Perry plugged the budget with federal aid.

The roughly $800 billion federal stimulus package, named the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act by Congress, became law in February 2009 after receiving only three Republican votes, all in the Senate. State governments were the primary recipients of the money, although funds have also gone directly to entities such as schools, hospitals and utilities.

The law specified that governors had 45 days after its passage to certify that their state would "request and use" the offered funds. On Feb. 18, 2009, Perry sent Obama the requisite letter of certification, assuring the president that the state would accept the funds and use them "in the best interest of Texas taxpayers."

According to a February 2009 PBS News Hour online post, some stimulus money was meant "to help states avoid slashing funding for education and other programs that lawmakers could trim to offset shortfalls."

Abrams, asked for backup for the president’s statement, pointed us to the National Conference of State Legislatures, which in turn sent us its July 2009 report on state budgets. According to the report, state budget-writing Texas lawmakers in 2009 were short $6.6 billion in revenue for 2010-11 and relied heavily on stimulus funds for a solution.​
 
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Conservative said:
Wrong, Bush had a record to run on, a record supported by data. All one had to do was look at the record and then view Kerry's voting record and the choice was clear. With Obama personality trumped a dismal record.
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Oh yeah, he had a record, of going into a wrong war. Those records you don't keep running with. But because he had an R in front of his name you excused it. You wouldn't know leadership if it slapped you in the face.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Oh yeah, he had a record, of going into a wrong war. Those records you don't keep running with. But because he had an R in front of his name you excused it. You wouldn't know leadership if it slapped you in the face.
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Try to focus, it has been ten years since we went into Iraq and we are into Obama's fifth year. Your obsession with Bush is nothing more than a diversion from the failures of Obama
 
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pbrauer said:
That graph does not restrict itself to only payroll jobs, there are many jobs where wages are not paid, such as volunteer jobs.
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So the Labor Participation rate is calculated differently now than prior years?
 
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Conservative said:
So the Labor Participation rate is calculated differently now than prior years?
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I didn't say it was, but OC used the graph as argument against non farm payroll jobs mentioned by the quoted poster. It was an apples and oranges comparison.
 
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pbrauer said:
I didn't say it was, but OC used the graph as argument against non farm payroll jobs mentioned by the quoted poster. It was an apples and oranges comparison.
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So tell me how anyone can claim Obama's record as positive with the labor participation rate dropping?
 
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Conservative said:
Got it, you know I don't believe the stimulus worked at all nor do most economists. The numbers speak for themselves, numbers you want to ignore
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As usual, you miss your target. No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that you're so consumed with hatred for Democrats & Liberals, that you'll say anything to make them look bad and steal credit away from them; and that no lie is too big for you to tell to either harm Liberals or protect Conservatives.

And this is happens to be a perfect example...

You DID believe that each stimulus job cost us $228,000 each.

You even said those were "Obama's results" of his "821 billion stimulus program."

And I know you believed that as you were saying that over and over again because you thought you stumbled upon some great talking point that you could attack Obama with. And you were maintaining "Obama's results" of his "821 billion stimulus program" "cost the taxpayer $228,000 each" until I pointed out the implication of your newly found talking point was that Obama surpassed his goal of saving/creating 3m jobs.

Only then did you suddenly claim your own posts were bullxit.

But I absolutely believe you absolutely believed each job cost us $228,000. Just as I absolutely believe the only reason you've abandoned that talking point is due to your abject contempt for Obama because he's a Liberal Democrat. Your entire belief system has nothing to do with reality. It's completely partisan based. You even chose the forum name, "Conservative," because you're so driven by partisan politics.

I also absolutely believe that had Obama been a Republican and everything else exactly the same as it is now, you'd be defending him to your core -- even using real figures instead of the bull**** nominal figures you use now because you would like them better.

So, no, you will never escape your own words because I have no doubt you meant them at the time you kept repeating them ...
"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative​
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
As usual, you miss your target. No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that you're so consumed with hatred for Democrats & Liberals, that you'll say anything to make them look bad and steal credit away from them; and that no lie is too big for you to tell to either harm Liberals or protect Conservatives.

And this is happens to be a perfect example...

You DID believe that each stimulus job cost us $228,000 each.

You even said those were "Obama's results" of his "821 billion stimulus program."

And I know you believed that as you were saying that over and over again because you thought you stumbled upon some great talking point that you could attack Obama with. And you were maintaining "Obama's results" of his "821 billion stimulus program" "cost the taxpayer $228,000 each" until I pointed out the implication of your newly found talking point was that Obama surpassed his goal of saving/creating 3m jobs.

Only then did you suddenly claim your own posts were bullxit.

But I absolutely believe you absolutely believed each job cost us $228,000. Just as I absolutely believe the only reason you've abandoned that talking point is due to your abject contempt for Obama because he's a Liberal Democrat. Your entire belief system has nothing to do with reality. It's completely partisan based. You even chose the forum name, "Conservative," because you're so driven by partisan politics.

I also absolutely believe that had Obama been a Republican and everything else exactly the same as it is now, you'd be defending him to your core -- even using real figures instead of the bull**** nominal figures you use now because you would like them better.

So, no, you will never escape your own words because I have no doubt you meant them at the time you kept repeating them ...
"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative​
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Your opinion noted but just like claiming that the Civilian Labor Force was the number of people employed and you had to admit you were wrong, you are wrong in your post here as well. Results matter except to a liberal like you who will always buy feel good rhetoric regardless of the results. Obama is your man as he will tell you what you want to hear and actual results don't matter.
 
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oh god this is halarious:lamo
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Bolded: inflammatory crapola bait.

At any rate, democratic leadership got what it wanted didnt they? They wanted it blocked, they got it blocked. Soo, what does intent count for?
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"Intentions," in this case, "paint Democrats of being even more wrong than Republicans. But "wrong" doesn't get the blame since "intentions" didn't block either of those bills (one of which passed in the House) from being added to the Senate's legislative calendar for a full vote.

Republicans did that.
 
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Conservative said:
Try to focus, it has been ten years since we went into Iraq and we are into Obama's fifth year. Your obsession with Bush is nothing more than a diversion from the failures of Obama
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LOL you're just upset that your hypocrisy and bad analysis have been shown. BTW I thought you claimed Obama was going to lose. Just another example of bad analysis on your part just like you did in 2004. Sorry you don't like your hypocrisy shown.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
"Intentions," in this case, "paint Democrats of being even more wrong than Republicans. But "wrong" doesn't get the blame since "intentions" didn't block either of those bills (one of which passed in the House) from being added to the Senate's legislative calendar for a full vote.

Republicans did that.
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Actually intentions towards voting block bills from coming to a vote all the time. Its called political capital. Im thinking the nuance and reality of this situation are lost in partisan goggles.
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted but just like claiming that the Civilian Labor Force was the number of people employed and you had to admit you were wrong, you are wrong in your post here as well.
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Well, you're wrong again. I didn't claim the "Civilian Labor Force" was the number of people employed. When posting the number of people employed, I inadvertantly grabbed the data from the wrong table. Even worse, I called you a liar over the number you used, which as it turned out, was from the correct data series.

But mistakes happen, I am certainly no more immune to them than anyone else, and I own up to them as soon as I become aware them.

But I see no evidence of any mistakes in post #965.

Conservative said:
Results matter except to a liberal like you who will always buy feel good rhetoric regardless of the results. Obama is your man as he will tell you what you want to hear and actual results don't matter.
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How many times must we entertain this exercise, Con? You proved that results don't matter to you when you cast your vote to re-elect George Bush, whose results going the 2004 election were in many cases worse than Obama's. The only result you cared about was that the candidate put an "R" after their name. Which is all you cared about since Reagan.

So you can keep crowing about "Liberals" and "results" all you want, but you've established that even you don't care about results. And your rhetoric fools no one here but yourself.
 
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Conservative said:
Obama took over an economy that was coming out of recession not going into one. His very poor leadership and delegation of responsibility shows what a true failure he is.
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More bull.

It was not coming out of recession. It was, in fact, at the very height of the recession. Bush's last full quarter of GDP was a whopping -8.9% -- the second worst quarter in BEA figures. The worst month in terms of jobs lost was in February, 2009. It wasn't until Obama was in office that the economy began to turn around.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I know you're trying your little heart out, and I want to encourage you to keep striving.:cool:
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You're wrong about that too. It takes no effort on my part to dismiss your delusions.


:coffeepap
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
. It wasn't until Obama was in office that the economy began to turn around.
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I think that is accurate and quite well phrased. Nothing Obama did altered the course of the economy. He just happened to be sitting in the Oval Office when the economy began to turn around. In fact, the recession officially ended in June of 2009. Nothing he did made that happen.
 
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