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U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%[W: 831]

Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

It's ironic that people who dn't like Obama generally have the opinion that government can't do anything to create jobs, and they also know if Obama is talking jobs, he is talking about government actions to stimulate job creation, which they adamantly oppose, but when Obama isn't talking about jobs, then they complain about that.

The only action they would support is the action that we all know Obama won't take, and that is what conservatives often refer to as getting out of the way, and the rest of us call it letting business interests exploit every American resource, from workers to the environment.

Do you conservatives REALLY want Obama to talk jobs, or is this just a kneejerk complaint, or worse, do you expect that Obama is suddenly going to favor conservative supply side policies?

I think those 17 Democrats that symbolically stepped over with the Medical tax and over R&D and the loss of jobs.....and Democrats being a bit upset about him over his latest political stunts say quite a lot. So I guess it's not just conservatives that are figuring things out.....huh?
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

It's ironic that people who dn't like Obama generally have the opinion that government can't do anything to create jobs, and they also know if Obama is talking jobs, he is talking about government actions to stimulate job creation, which they adamantly oppose, but when Obama isn't talking about jobs, then they complain about that.

The only action they would support is the action that we all know Obama won't take, and that is what conservatives often refer to as getting out of the way, and the rest of us call it letting business interests exploit every American resource, from workers to the environment.

Do you conservatives REALLY want Obama to talk jobs, or is this just a kneejerk complaint, or worse, do you expect that Obama is suddenly going to favor conservative supply side policies?

So are you someone who believes that poor economic policies and poor leadership don't affect job creation? You really need to get out more.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

"Not in the Labor Force" (currently 89,967,000) does NOT mean "dropped out of the Labor Force." It means did not work or have a job the week of March 10-16, and either could not have started work that week or did not look for a job after Feb 16th.

This includes 14.8 million high school and college students, 22.6 million non-disabled people 65 and older, 23 million disabled (some overlap with sudents). I don't have the data on stay home spouses or independently wealthy.

92.5% of those not in the labor force say they don't want a job and of those who say they do, over half haven't bothered to look in over a year.

the labor force participation rate for march was 63.3%, down from feb's rate of 63.5%. that's a few 100,000 people that dropped out of the labor force.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

i'm aware of this world view. laissez faire doesn't work, and neither does command economy communism. i think we can find a happy medium somewhere between those extremes.

Far too many here have no idea how the private sector economy works and the role incentive plays in job creation. Liberals are getting their wish, a massive central govt, more dependence, high unemployment, low economic growth, and high debt.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

The bold part is the typical liberal mischaracterization. We have a different viewpoint as to how jobs are stimulated, right now the path being taken doesn't seem to be working so well does it? But, go ahead, as so many libs do, and demonize, and divide...I am sure that will help. :roll:

There is no real path being taken at all right now as the divided government can't agree to anything.

I can't disagree that the current path is failing, but you can't possibly think the current path is Obama's policy, the current path is a lack of policy because nothing remotely jobs related has gotten through Congress since 2009.

I don't know why you would call my assertions demonizing, it is simple fact, Republicans in Congress adamantly oppose the Keynesian policies Obama supports and Obama adamantly opposes the supply-side policies Congressional Republicans support.

My personal opinion is that the Keynesian approach is the best course so obviously I oppose the supply-side approach, but disagreeing with something is not demonizing it.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

I think his point is that if enough people leave

the workforce the % will keep going down.

Exactly, in February the labor force was 155.5 and in March it was 155.0 million down 500,000 some of which were unemployed before and now are no longer counted as unemployed meaning a lower unemployment number and lower unemployment rate
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

How are you claiming that someone who goes from Employed to Not in the Labor force means fewer people are unemployed????
There were several months during the recession where the labor force level and rate dropped and the UE rate went up.

In December 2007 when the recession started there were 146 million employed Americans, today that number is 143 million. The labor force last month declined 500,000 meaning there were 500,000 less people to count as well as how many of those people were formerly counted as unemployed. No one can look at a decline in working Americans from 146 million to 143 million with a growing population as being a good performance.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Far too many here have no idea how the private sector economy works and the role incentive plays in job creation. Liberals are getting their wish, a massive central govt, more dependence, high unemployment, low economic growth, and high debt.

what you posted doesn't warrant anything more than this response : there is no liberal conspiracy. you're going to have to figure out on your own that it's infinitely more complex than "those guys are bad and stupid; my team is good and smart."
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

what you posted doesn't warrant anything more than this response : there is no liberal conspiracy. you're going to have to figure out on your own that it's infinitely more complex than "those guys are bad and stupid; my team is good and smart."

How do you explain the liberal failures as shown in the actual numbers. What you are going to have to learn to do is accept responsibility for the failure of liberalism.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

the usual bad news when it comes to jobs.

the labor force participation rate continues to fall. down to 63.3% from 63.5% in feb.

Part of the decline in the labor force participation rate almost certainly reflects the ongoing retirement of the Baby Boom generation. However, part of the rate may reflect structural factors, among others.

To take avoid the noise related to changes in youth deciding to delay entry into the labor force and those reaching retirement age, it makes sense to take a closer look at the ages 25-64 demographic. One finds the following changes in the labor force participation rate for that group:

Ages 25-54: -2.2%
Ages 55-64: No change
Ages 25-64: -2.2%
Ages 25 and older: -2.6% (Age 65 and older has seen labor force participation rise from 16.5% to 18.5%)

Hence, among the core working age population, the age 25-54 group accounts for the entire drop in the labor force participation rate for the larger age 25-64 group.

A look at gender then reveals that males in the age 25-54 group are dropping out of the labor force at a rate 20% faster than women. The 5-year changes in the labor force participation rate for men and women in the age 25-54 group are as follows:

Men: -2.4%
Women: -2.0%

The reasons for the difference are complex. Some factors that are likely relevant, and additional data will be required to really pin them down, include:

1. The trend toward higher education attainment for women relative to men that has been underway over an extended period of time. Females are accounting for a growing share of college graduates (4- and 6-year rates, and advanced/professional degrees) at a rate that is above changes in their demographic representation. In other words, females are becoming more skilled relative to men and that relative change in skills would give them a greater incentive to stay in the labor force.

2. Certain fields in which men accounted for a larger share of employees e.g., construction, had been tied to the housing bubble. Those fields have shrunk since the housing bubble burst and a share of those jobs are not likely to return anytime soon. In contrast, certain fields have been accounting for a relatively larger share of job growth since the economy bottomed out (education and health care, among them). Women have an edge in entering those fields based on ongoing educational attainment trends.

All said, far more important than the headline figure one sees concerning the labor force participation rate, now at its lowest figure since 1979, is the decline taking place in the core working age population. The difference among gender raises anew the growing policy issue of differences in educational attainment between men and women. Should those trends persist, namely should men continue to grow less skilled relative to women, that would have broad labor force and macroeconomic implications. The skilled labor pool would be smaller than it would otherwise be. Put another way, the United States is at risk of becoming less competitive vis-à-vis the rest of the world.

That lack of skilled labor/reduced competitiveness would reduce the nation's long-term growth potential (barring the admission of immigrants or aggressive outsourcing by which companies could mitigate domestic labor force deficiencies). This reduced growth potential would coincide with the demographic change in which the working age population itself is becoming relatively smaller (# of retirees is becoming relatively larger). That outcome has fiscal implications.

In short, the data present just another reason why state and national policy makers need to place greater emphasis on addressing the nation's educational attainment problem (decline relative to other advanced countries; subpar attainment by males). Robust investment, concrete policies, and willingness to innovate will all be required.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Absolutely, and never in our history have we had such a non event in terms of recovery from a recession....This is on purpose.
Come now, Wall Street has recovered quite nicely. And the banks... back on top. Don't know about you, but I sure sleep well at night knowing that all the interest I should be earning on my savings is helping to line the pockets of Bernanke and his buddies. Quite fair when you think about it - we give them money at 0.7% so that they may provide credit to our neighbors at 15-24%. Everybody wins.

Anyone for another round of QE?
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

There is no real path being taken at all right now as the divided government can't agree to anything.

I can't disagree that the current path is failing, but you can't possibly think the current path is Obama's policy, the current path is a lack of policy because nothing remotely jobs related has gotten through Congress since 2009.

I don't know why you would call my assertions demonizing, it is simple fact, Republicans in Congress adamantly oppose the Keynesian policies Obama supports and Obama adamantly opposes the supply-side policies Congressional Republicans support.

My personal opinion is that the Keynesian approach is the best course so obviously I oppose the supply-side approach, but disagreeing with something is not demonizing it.

Yeah? Well, that Keynesian approach is failing as we type....As far as not blaming Obama, why not? He's the President isn't he? Are you saying that progressive liberals never blame the President for things out of his control? Yeah ok...:roll:
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

How do you explain the liberal failures as shown in the actual numbers. What you are going to have to learn to do is accept responsibility for the failure of liberalism.

lol, ok. rah, rah, cis boom bah, go team!
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Come now, Wall Street has recovered quite nicely. And the banks... back on top. Don't know about you, but I sure sleep well at night knowing that all the interest I should be earning on my savings is helping to line the pockets of Bernanke and his buddies. Quite fair when you think about it - we give them money at 0.7% so that they may provide credit to our neighbors at 15-24%. Everybody wins.

Anyone for another round of QE?

So creating a bubble in banking, and wall st. is success? Well, I guess libs believe it since they are re starting the same policies in housing that caused the collapse in the first place.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

So are you someone who believes that poor economic policies and poor leadership don't affect job creation? You really need to get out more.

Oh, I happen to believe that government can be instrumental in job creation, I just believe that policies required are diametrically opposed to the policies that conservatives support, as does the President.

As to leadership, it is fascinating that Republicans describe Obama as a failed leader as they have done everything in their power to cause failure, not just for Obama, but for the country.

If you and I were members of a board of directors, with each member having veto power, and we both pursued the chairmanship but I got it, and then you vetoed everything I supported, you might argue that there was a leadership failure, but you'd know what it really was... petulance.
 
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lol, ok. rah, rah, cis boom bah, go team!

Sorry that actual facts including data get in the way of your ideology.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

The only action they would support is the action that we all know Obama won't take, and that is what conservatives often refer to as getting out of the way, and the rest of us call it letting business interests exploit every American resource, from workers to the environment.
What the rest of you need to realize is that big business is the big winner when it comes to a highly regulatory environment. They're the only ones that can afford to hop the hurdles and cut through the red tape. They're good at it. Really good. They have departments full of lawyers who dedicate their lives to it. They're the ones with the deep pockets and soft whispers advocating for any red tape that will help squash competition, squash small business, and secure their monopolies.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Oh, I happen to believe that government can be instrumental in job creation, I just believe that policies required are diametrically opposed to the policies that conservatives support, as does the President.

As to leadership, it is fascinating that Republicans describe Obama as a failed leader as they have done everything in their power to cause failure, not just for Obama, but for the country.

If you and I were members of a board of directors, with each member having veto power, and we both pursued the chairmanship but I got it, and then you vetoed everything I supported, you might argue that there was a leadership failure, but you'd know what it really was... petulance.

Sorry, but it does appear that you have no understanding of our private sector economy and what it takes to stimulate and grow it. Let me help you, govt. economic policy that doesn't penalize individual wealth creation and dampers investment capital creation.

Name for me one positive economic policy Obama has created?

What you fail to recognize is that every President in history has had opposition and the sign of a good leader is the ability to work with that opposition. Obama's "my way or the highway" attitude isn't condusive to positive economic policy and growth. In fact Obama had a filibuster proof Senate during his first term.

Seems that Obama supporters are oblivious to reality.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

So creating a bubble in banking, and wall st. is success? Well, I guess libs believe it since they are re starting the same policies in housing that caused the collapse in the first place.
Not only do they call it a success, their bobble heads go up and down in unison and they all take another sip of kool-aid every time Obama tells them he's helping the middle class.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Yeah? Well, that Keynesian approach is failing as we type....As far as not blaming Obama, why not? He's the President isn't he? Are you saying that progressive liberals never blame the President for things out of his control? Yeah ok...:roll:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand political reality, I recognize that as the sole individual actor in government, the President gets blame and credit for pretty much everything, whether in his control or not. But I also recognize that never before has one party used this political reality of perception to force failure.

The funny thing is that the American people are not buying it as you can see from opinion polling. The GOP is responsible for preventing any policy path, and the American people know it. 71% of Americans disapprove of the way Congressional Republicans are handling their jobs, FAR greater than disapproval of Obama and significantly greater than disapproval of Congressional Democrats. (Queue the media bias meme)
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand political reality, I recognize that as the sole individual actor in government, the President gets blame and credit for pretty much everything, whether in his control or not. But I also recognize that never before has one party used this political reality of perception to force failure.

The funny thing is that the American people are not buying it as you can see from opinion polling. The GOP is responsible for preventing any policy path, and the American people know it. 71% of Americans disapprove of the way Congressional Republicans are handling their jobs, FAR greater than disapproval of Obama and significantly greater than disapproval of Congressional Democrats. (Queue the media bias meme)

Please explain what value a national poll offers for evaluating Congressional elections when nothing really changed in the last election, Republicans still hold the House and Democrats the Senate and WH? Congressional elections are local not national nor are they determined by national polls.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Oh, I happen to believe that government can be instrumental in job creation, I just believe that policies required are diametrically opposed to the policies that conservatives support, as does the President.

As to leadership, it is fascinating that Republicans describe Obama as a failed leader as they have done everything in their power to cause failure, not just for Obama, but for the country.

If you and I were members of a board of directors, with each member having veto power, and we both pursued the chairmanship but I got it, and then you vetoed everything I supported, you might argue that there was a leadership failure, but you'd know what it really was... petulance.

He had the house and senate for two years and couldn't control the dems in the senate which resulted in the healthcare mandate he had opposed which resulted in him being political crippled by the ensuing polarization. That not withstanding, he this year got the 2% tax increase on every worker he wanted and he got the raise in the top end tax rate. Very little economically has been "vetoed" except uncontrolled spending.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Good gosh, there are a lot of people just dropping out of the workforce altogether. Not even trying. (That says as much about them as anything, unfortunately.)

This is what liberals like Obama want...a vast mass of people completely dependent on government support. Why work, when you can steal legally? Just keep voting like you're voting, and it's all good!

Meanwhile, MSNBC will brag to no end about that 7.6 percent unemployment, uttering nary a word about the startling and accelerating drop in the workforce.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Part of the decline in the labor force participation rate almost certainly reflects the ongoing retirement of the Baby Boom generation. However, part of the rate may reflect structural factors, among others.

To take avoid the noise related to changes in youth deciding to delay entry into the labor force and those reaching retirement age, it makes sense to take a closer look at the ages 25-64 demographic. One finds the following changes in the labor force participation rate for that group:

Ages 25-54: -2.2%
Ages 55-64: No change
Ages 25-64: -2.2%
Ages 25 and older: -2.6% (Age 65 and older has seen labor force participation rise from 16.5% to 18.5%)

Hence, among the core working age population, the age 25-54 group accounts for the entire drop in the labor force participation rate for the larger age 25-64 group.

A look at gender then reveals that males in the age 25-54 group are dropping out of the labor force at a rate 20% faster than women. The 5-year changes in the labor force participation rate for men and women in the age 25-54 group are as follows:

Men: -2.4%
Women: -2.0%

The reasons for the difference are complex. Some factors that are likely relevant, and additional data will be required to really pin them down, include:

1. The trend toward higher education attainment for women relative to men that has been underway over an extended period of time. Females are accounting for a growing share of college graduates (4- and 6-year rates, and advanced/professional degrees) at a rate that is above changes in their demographic representation. In other words, females are becoming more skilled relative to men and that relative change in skills would give them a greater incentive to stay in the labor force.

2. Certain fields in which men accounted for a larger share of employees e.g., construction, had been tied to the housing bubble. Those fields have shrunk since the housing bubble burst and a share of those jobs are not likely to return anytime soon. In contrast, certain fields have been accounting for a relatively larger share of job growth since the economy bottomed out (education and health care, among them). Women have an edge in entering those fields based on ongoing educational attainment trends.

All said, far more important than the headline figure one sees concerning the labor force participation rate, now at its lowest figure since 1979, is the decline taking place in the core working age population. The difference among gender raises anew the growing policy issue of differences in educational attainment between men and women. Should those trends persist, namely should men continue to grow less skilled relative to women, that would have broad labor force and macroeconomic implications. The skilled labor pool would be smaller than it would otherwise be. Put another way, the United States is at risk of becoming less competitive vis-à-vis the rest of the world.

That lack of skilled labor/reduced competitiveness would reduce the nation's long-term growth potential (barring the admission of immigrants or aggressive outsourcing by which companies could mitigate domestic labor force deficiencies). This reduced growth potential would coincide with the demographic change in which the working age population itself is becoming relatively smaller (# of retirees is becoming relatively larger). That outcome has fiscal implications.

In short, the data present just another reason why state and national policy makers need to place greater emphasis on addressing the nation's educational attainment problem (decline relative to other advanced countries; subpar attainment by males). Robust investment, concrete policies, and willingness to innovate will all be required.

i don't really disagree with the points you have made here.

i would say the baby boomer impact at this time is minimal, but by the end of the decade their retirement will most certainly have more of an impact on the labor force.

discouraged workers are the main reason the participation rate keeps falling. the long term unemployed is still at a high level, thus many of those people keep leaving the work force.
 
Re: U.S. Adds Only 88,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.6%

Oh, don't get me wrong, I understand political reality, I recognize that as the sole individual actor in government, the President gets blame and credit for pretty much everything, whether in his control or not. But I also recognize that never before has one party used this political reality of perception to force failure.

The funny thing is that the American people are not buying it as you can see from opinion polling. The GOP is responsible for preventing any policy path, and the American people know it. 71% of Americans disapprove of the way Congressional Republicans are handling their jobs, FAR greater than disapproval of Obama and significantly greater than disapproval of Congressional Democrats. (Queue the media bias meme)

They're not "buying it" because they're celebrating it. Free money and no work is quite popular among your voting bloc.
 
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