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SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

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My Way News - SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea has moved a missile with "considerable range" to its east coast, South Korea's defense minister said Thursday, but he added that there are no signs that Pyongyang is preparing for a full-scale conflict.

The report came hours after North Korea's military warned that it has been authorized to attack the U.S. using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. It was the North's latest war cry against America in recent weeks. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that Pyongyang has improved its nuclear technology. Or a bluff.

...Hecker has estimated that North Korea has enough plutonium to make several crude nuclear bombs. Its announcement Tuesday that it would restart a plutonium reactor indicated that it intends to produce more nuclear weapons material.

The missile in question is thought to have a range of about 3000 km, which puts US bases in Japan and S. Korea in range. Kim Jong Un has been dialing up the heat on an almost daily basis, and there is all sorts of speculation as to what it means, including the idea that Un might not be in control of his military.
 
and there is all sorts of speculation as to what it means, including the idea that Un might not be in control of his military.

I can understand war from Kim's perspective - going out on top is the most important thing for a god-king. But the military? How does it help them to get obliterated. I do not see the same motivation for the military that I see for Kim; I bet they just want 3 hots and a cot. Further, I find the idea that Kim-2 kept the military from going nuts all those years to be a ludicrous proposal.
 
I dunno...at first I was willing to dismiss this all as the usual DPRK saber rattling, but it's been going on for awhile and it's been escalating, to the point where Sec. State Kerry has had to tell them to knock it off with the threats.

It's likely that DPRK is playing the game of brinksmanship to an extreme this time as Un tries to build his own reputation as Korean despot, stepping out of his father and grandfather's shadow. But I wonder if the threats against the U.S. are an overture to military action against South Korea, as a way of telling the U.S. not to get involved when they do whatever it is they are planning to do.
 
It's likely that DPRK is playing the game of brinksmanship to an extreme this time as Un tries to build his own reputation as Korean despot, stepping out of his father and grandfather's shadow.

I think that's the key right there. Understanding the psychology behind the behavior is essential.

This might not make it any easier to deal with, mind you, but if he is seeking to outshine his predecessors, one way to do so is to put the belicose words into action. That's what worries me.
 
i still don't think the intention is an actual launch, but this ****ing asshole has ratcheted up tensions to the point where full scale war could erupt over a border guard flipping the bird to a soldier across the DMZ.

i truly hope we don't get dragged into yet another ****ing war. we've been at war for most of my adult life. enough is enough.
 
There really are only two possibilities. Kim is STILL not getting rewarded for his antics so he keeps upping the ante hoping any minute now the world and especially the US will step in, make him relevant, and buy him off. OR...he is hoping his extremism will cause the Chinese to step in on his behalf and force the same results. OR...he is hoping his antics will be seen as SO above the board that the Chinese and Russians offer him a nice sweetheart deal complete with a retirement package somewhere with a beach and fruity drinks. He has been in charge long enough by now to realize just what a ****ty job it is to be the leader of North Korea. I don't think he wants a lifetime of it.
 
i still don't think the intention is an actual launch,
but this ****ing asshole has ratcheted up tensions to the point where full scale war could erupt over a border guard flipping the bird to a soldier across the DMZ.

i truly hope we don't get dragged into yet another ****ing war. we've been at war for most of my adult life. enough is enough.

I hear you. The problem is troll doll jr needs a way to back out of this so he'll save face among his subjects.

He's gone so far to the extreme its not going to be easy for him to ratchet down his current build up.

I dont think a North Korean Conflict would be an extended conflict anyway.
 
i truly hope we don't get dragged into yet another ****ing war. we've been at war for most of my adult life. enough is enough.

There will not be peace until everyone is free.
 
There is a lot of talk about this just being a bluff to force west to lift sanctions etc. But what if Un actually thinks that North Korea is now a world nuclear superpower after the succesful launch of the rocket a couple of months ago? I really hope we have not underestimated NK's stupidity and ego.
 
I hear you. The problem is troll doll jr needs a way to back out of this so he'll save face among his subjects. He's gone so far to the extreme its not going to be easy for him to ratchet down his current build up. I dont think a North Korean Conflict would be an extended conflict anyway.

Way I hear it the North doesn't receive outside news so he can declare victory anytime he wants.

I see this as a continuing escalation of the same ol' crap. Throw a big fit and the big 3 make promises of help that never quite live up to the agreement which sets off another tantrum. Problem is each time the tantrum has to be bigger or the threat isn't very effective.

best I can figure is he needs another hand out and will scream loud and long in hopes of getting it. Hopefully one day the Roosians and Chinese will figure out North Korea does nothing for them and the crap needs to end.
 
Has anyone considered the effect on the world markets if N Korea set off a nuke somewhere, or started a full scale war on S Korea? Talk about a ****ed up asian market, and its domino to the rest of the world; we could have some serious damage. Frankly I'm surprised that China isn't kicking the **** out of him by now, cause they are just getting into their stride ecomonically. Frankly I think for these reasons alone, if any of the above happened, N Korea needs to be destroyed.
 
Maybe if we had an international registry for nuclear weapons this would all be OK. We could grandfather in all the existing nuclear weapons and perform universal background checks for transfers. Not that anybody has used a nuclear weapon against anybody lately, but we should do it for the children.
 
It is at this time we should be considering the cost and weight of one, expertly fired .50 round, over millions of .223 rounds...


Assassination IS a public service, in many cases.
 
All I care about is that when we take this punk out that we do NOT attempt nation building in N. Korea.

Tim-
 
It is at this time we should be considering the cost and weight of one, expertly fired .50 round, over millions of .223 rounds...


Assassination IS a public service, in many cases.

I agree with this. To the best of my knowledge the worst Soviet leader didn't actually want the whole world to burn. Bush should have used the momentum he built for the invasion of Iraq against this asshat instead.

As to whether it can be said that Kim Jong-un genuinely wants war either, there does have to come a point where we have to take a leader's words at face value.
 
Assassination won't stop the nutso regime of NK. The whole country, as a political force, needs to be seized and restructured.

If China doesn't loosen its grip on the situation soon, we could have a real mess on our hands.
 
Assassination won't stop the nutso regime of NK. The whole country, as a political force, needs to be seized and restructured.

If China doesn't loosen its grip on the situation soon, we could have a real mess on our hands.

You don't think a US made 50 cal to the head would send a message?

I mean, I don't know. Maybe make things worse, who knows.

To me, this is all bluffery, I think Anonymous has the right idea. It's time citizens started doing more, instead of sitting back and expecting others (governments) to do it all for them.
 
It is at this time we should be considering the cost and weight of one, expertly fired .50 round, over millions of .223 rounds...


Assassination IS a public service, in many cases.

But a famous liberal made it illegal in the 60s !!:cry:
 
You don't think a US made 50 cal to the head would send a message?

I mean, I don't know. Maybe make things worse, who knows.

To me, this is all bluffery, I think Anonymous has the right idea. It's time citizens started doing more, instead of sitting back and expecting others (governments) to do it all for them.

very easy for you to say but try living under a tyrannical government who has killed millions of your fellow citizens and imprisoned many others. Rebellion is not an option for these people.
 
very easy for you to say but try living under a tyrannical government who has killed millions of your fellow citizens and imprisoned many others. Rebellion is not an option for these people.

I didn't suggest the citizens of N. Korea. I'm talking about groups of us from all over. We're a global society. It's time governments recognize that. Is it OK to have vigilantism on an international scale? Probably not...but it certainly made me smile when I heard about the Anonymous attack on the news. Imagine 4 billion people, pissed off at you for being a crap dictator.


I don't know. I just think it's lazy of us all to sit back and expect our governments to handle everything.
 
It is at this time we should be considering the cost and weight of one, expertly fired .50 round, over millions of .223 rounds...


Assassination IS a public service, in many cases.

I don't trust any of the NK military leadership. Their status as a nuclear power needs to be neutralized at a minimum.
 
I didn't suggest the citizens of N. Korea. I'm talking about groups of us from all over. We're a global society. It's time governments recognize that. Is it OK to have vigilantism on an international scale? Probably not...but it certainly made me smile when I heard about the Anonymous attack on the news. Imagine 4 billion people, pissed off at you for being a crap dictator.


I don't know. I just think it's lazy of us all to sit back and expect our governments to handle everything.

ah ok my apologies.

The only problem with that is we still have far too many differences, we would spend days just trying to agree on a path of action.
 
ah ok my apologies.

The only problem with that is we still have far too many differences, we would spend days just trying to agree on a path of action.

Don't need to be united on action plans. Again, one small group of people, Anonymous, has already made a move. No rule stating that, say, some like minded folks from France, or Italy, can't do their own thing, too.

Just as many problems that rout, likely. Simplest solution is information. There is a reason the net is so carefully guarded over there. Wonder what it would take to pierce that veil?
 
You don't think a US made 50 cal to the head would send a message?

If we take out NK's leader he will just be replaced by someone else. Someone with that big of an ego always has a contigency plan upon their own death. Plus, it would really cause tension with China.

If that strategy worked we would have done it with Saddam. Direct assassinations in general make us look bad, which is why the CIA tends to manipulate that country's citizens from an underground level into wanting to do it themselves. That's hard to do in NK where the average person has such limited means. AFAIK there are barely any firearms in the whole country that non-soldiers have access to, let alone underground training to carry out an assassination.

Nowadays, it looks better to form a coalition and invade under manufactured consent. Then when you eventually take out the leader it just makes it seem par for the course.

The lynch pin to this whole problem is China. They are using NK's bad behavior to shield themselves from negative press. If they get to chastise another country's behavior then it makes them look good. Also, NK is the guard dog at the gate to China, which is why a nutso regime was installed there in the first place. Korean reunification with an American alliance would end up putting U.S. bases right at China's doorstep.
 
What was the point of a drone program if we are not going to use it to take out this guy and his closest friends? It a perfect application for them, accuracy without a lot of colateral damage. I don't think that is the problem at all. I don't think anyone wants to take responsibilty for the people afterward.
 
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