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Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

So the founders made a mistake or two in the constitution. it wasn't passed down from god.

OR the BoR isn't about what you're free to do but what the Government cannot. That way you need not state every common sense thing you're free to do.
 
That may be your expectation. That is not how I train women. No one of potential reasonably deduced violent risk is allowed to approach. They are told to stay back and if not are to be drawn upon.

this is the way guns are presented by the right. the reality is the only reason a gun actually might help in situations is because the attacker is not out to kill you. If the attacker just wants your life then your gun is useless in a typical crime circumstance. You don't walk around running from cover to cover with your gun drawn prepared to defend against a person out to kill you. This means your guard is down and you are open most of the time, and your gun is useless. Your training works for keeping someone away who is not out to kill you. you claim I am the one who does not understand criminals don't approach you and tell you their intentions, yet after that you say you train women that is how crime works. Stand back is not going to work on the guy who comes from behind or the person who kills you flat out.
OK, now it's YOUR turn. Link to ANY occasion of a woman being raped when she had a firearm with her. There certainly have been plenty of links to women using a firearm to protect her children and herself.

Do you have ANYTHING, ANYTHING IN REALITY, to back up what you post?

You are ignoring the many cases of women in the military being raped. You know the ones who are trained in combat and weapons use, and who are also given weapons who get raped. really, you actually went there?

A gun is not a magical shield that prevents you from getting raped. That idea was Akin level.
 
Oh, I forgot. You do openly oppose having a Constitutional government and oppose having a Bill of Rights too.

no, I just oppose treating the constitution as it is automatically correct. But feel free to make up your own arguments for me when you cannot deal with the ones i make.
 
OR the BoR isn't about what you're free to do but what the Government cannot. That way you need not state every common sense thing you're free to do.

you mean the bill of rights that didn't give women the right to vote or black people freedom and the right to have guns. Seems to me the founders made a mistake that was corrected.
 
If she has a gun, it's likely the rapist might have shot and killed her with it.

Since she didn't have a gun, it's a 100% guarantee that she's going to get ****ed in the ass.

This clown is a rapist, not a murderer. If he was going to kill her, he would have the used...uh!...the knife he was threatening her with.
 
you mean the bill of rights that didn't give women the right to vote or black people freedom and the right to have guns. Seems to me the founders made a mistake that was corrected.

Maybe you can team up with the folks that would like to see the 13th and 19th Amendments and get something accomplished.
 
Police are looking for the man who approached a woman waiting at a bus stop in Queens early Monday, forced her to a nearby cemetery and raped her at knifepoint.

Authorities said the suspect approached the 41-year-old victim at 91st Place and Corona Avenue in Elmhurst shortly before 5 a.m. and asked her who she was waiting for.

When she said "my husband," he put a knife to her back and forced her to a high school parking lot about two blocks away, where he made her empty her pockets.

Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint | NBC New York

Will the liberals be calling for KNIFE bans next?
Why didn't she just call the cops and wait there for help to arrive?

...or maybe run home real quick and get a Joe Biden's shot-gun out of her safe?
 
This is a lovely myth perpetrated by the Anti self defense group. All rapist turn into murders if they find a gun and then somehow take it. It is most likely that if the person intends to kill you...they will already have the means and will dispatch you if you are so far behind the curb that you didn have time to pull a gun. How often do you think someone pins the fate of their victim on if they are armed or not?

It is statistically proven that armed defense/resistance is better than unarmed, and unarmed defense/resistance is better than cooperation.

Do you have a link backing you contention?
 
you mean the bill of rights that didn't give women the right to vote or black people freedom and the right to have guns. Seems to me the founders made a mistake that was corrected.

Someone clearly didn't read the Federalist papers or Mrs. Adam's letters, they were well aware of the inevitably conflicts declaring the rights of all men would bring.

Its called picking your battles, and when you're dealing with the worlds most powerful army its not a good idea to piss off your much needed southern sister colonies/states (allies.)

Politics is chess not checkers, if you think the fact that the constitution wasn't perfect is their failure you've not adequately studied the times.
 
Look Mr. Sharp rocks. I know you are trying hard to salvage your argument you cannot cut meat with those knives because of some magical mysterious force that will prevent you from doing so, but i am actually quite capable of doing such things. And i can cut ropes, paper, string, fabric, and probably many other things with it. if you are not capable of doing so that is something you need to figure out because most people can accomplish it as far as i can see. or maybe i am an all powerful godlike intelligence that can do more things than most people.

Wow...whats the matter? Can't refute what I said so have to resort to ad homs? :lamo Mind showing me where I said those knives can't cut rope, paper etc etc? Oh wait...thats right...I didn't.

you have yet to prove a gun has as many uses as a knife. you have made a lot of absurd arguments that have nothing to do with my point. you clearly want to argue that your gun makes you a bad ass who cannot be killed. That is nice and all, but none of your arguments work. You are going to need a new argument and not these same old attempts to change the argument to one you think you can win. I have asked a question that you are clearly incapable of answering. You cannot tell me how a gun is as useful as a knife. Despite the fun i have had with the sharp rocks thing, the argument is over until you can come up with how a gun has as many uses as a knife. Oh, and I am not defending the points you are assigning to me either. of course, if you want to make another precious comment like sharp rocks i would love to hear it.

And here we have the moving of the goal posts. :roll: First guns have only one purpose...killing people and knives have many. Then guns are only used for shooting "things". IE more than just shooting people. And now its "A gun doesn't have as many uses as a knife". Typical anti-gunner tactic. Funny thing is that by moving the goal posts you have just shown that my points on the uses of guns are valid....you just won't admit it because it brings your arguement crashing down.
 
You are ignoring the many cases of women in the military being raped. You know the ones who are trained in combat and weapons use, and who are also given weapons who get raped. really, you actually went there?

Just because one is in the military does not mean that they automatically carry a gun anywhere and everywhere. Those in the military are actually only able to carry a gun in war zones and areas where they are guarding. They are not allowed to carry guns while on a base in the US unless they are an MP or performing scheduled fire arms exercises. They are not allowed to carry guns in many places.

So...mind showing us those instances of rape in which the woman had the gun on her person?
 
Since she didn't have a gun, it's a 100% guarantee that she's going to get ****ed in the ass.

This clown is a rapist, not a murderer. If he was going to kill her, he would have the used...uh!...the knife he was threatening her with.

Unless she pulled a gun. Then he'd have to stab her just to avoid his own death.

You really think a rapist is just going to stand there while she pulls a gun and shoots him?
 
But...but...but he would likely take it away from here and spray her with it!

And **** her in the ass anyway!
As long as the hospital had Plan-B available for free, that's what counts.
 
You really think a rapist is just going to stand there while she pulls a gun and shoots him?
No, of course not. He wouldn't just stand there. He would bleed, run a bit, bleed more, possibly die. If he lived he would get arrested and convicted.
 
No, of course not. He wouldn't just stand there. He would bleed, run a bit, bleed more, possibly die. If he lived he would get arrested and convicted.

No, he's going to grab her hand as it goes into her purse and then probably stab her to death and then flee the scene. Or possibly shoot her with her own gun. A bigger, stronger person already within arms length has already beaten you if your gun isn't out and aimed already. Police officers have a 21 foot rule regarding gun vs. knife, and that's a trained officer with a gun holstered. (a device designed for convenient gun access) Some police units teach a 30 foot rule, regarding 21 feet as too close.

Someone can close 21 feet in the time it takes a trained officer to pull a gun and shoot it to decisively stop the attacker. How many feet away do you think this guy was before she realized what was happening?

Everyone ****in thinks they're Rambo, I swear...
 
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No, he's going to grab her hand as it goes into her purse and then probably stab her to death and then flee the scene. Or possibly shoot her with her own gun. A bigger, stronger person already within arms length has already beaten you if your gun isn't out and aimed already. Police officers have a 21 foot rule regarding gun vs. knife, and that's a trained officer with a gun holstered. (a device designed for convenient gun access) Some police units teach a 30 foot rule, regarding 21 feet as too close.

Someone can close 21 feet in the time it takes a trained officer to pull a gun and shoot it to decisively stop the attacker. How many feet away do you think this guy was before she realized what was happening?
Well that's why women shouldn't carry in purses. Hip, pocket or bra are the best ways. A purse is the worst way one could concealed carry.
 
Well that's why women shouldn't carry in purses. Hip, pocket or bra are the best ways. A purse is the worst way one could concealed carry.

And zero of those options are fast enough for someone within arm's length.
 
And zero of those options are fast enough for someone within arm's length.
Those are valid options. You stating otherwise is just hot air, not substance.
 
Those are valid options. You stating otherwise is just hot air, not substance.

You cannot draw and aim a gun before someone within arm's length stabs you. You are not Billy the Kid.
 
Drawing on the OP's implication that there's really no difference between supporting a gun ban and supporting a knife ban, surely conservatives here are opposed to bomb, tank, and biological weapon bans? Or perhaps destructive capability of the object in question does factor in to the situation, and therefore it's not so black and white like our illustrious OP seems to believe?
 
You cannot draw and aim a gun before someone within arm's length stabs you. You are not Billy the Kid.
Ask Tryvon Martin how easy it is to disarm someone, even after you've broken their noes, even if you have them pinned on the ground and have MMA training.

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