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Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint

No, it is true it is a terrible argument that neglect the usefulness of other objects in daily life. There are a lot of dangerous objects that have uses that make them a part of our lives which is why we don't ban them. A gun is a tool with one purpose. That reality may be contrary to your point which is why you don't like it because we have a reason for having things like knives aside from committing crimes and hurting people. That still does not make the argument invalid because it is a point you have a hard time dealing with.

But please explain to me the other uses of a gun aside from killing people that make it a tool I would use in my every day life like a knife. I know it might be problematic to explain yourself because you want me to think for myself, but this is a place for explaining yourself. Feel free to take the time and i will feel free to evaluate your explanation by thinking for myself instead of taking your word on it without thinking for myself. I cannot evaluate your ideas with thought if you do not present them meaning you actually just asked us all to not think and take your word on it. Way to contradict your own argument.

Examples of guns not being used to kill people. Ok. Hunting is one. (people do need food after all and a $5 dollar bullet is still cheaper than Wal-Mart or Safeway meat pound for pound.) Incapcitation is another (where someone purposely aims for areas that are not deadly..like a knee cap). Target practice is real fun and requires skill and when done in the Olympics is about sportsmanship (and no one is pointing the gun at anybody).

And no, I didn't ask anyone to not think. I specifically said "think for yourself". If you had done so then you would know that there are more uses for guns than just killing people. That is just the talking point of the anti-gun crowd which has been proven false many a times.
 
1) No one is arguing we ban all guns in the first place. I really can't over emphasize the flaw in arguing against a position no one is taking, should be obvious though.

Tell that to all these people....Calls for Gun Bans. Not that it matters. The OP did not call for a "ban on all knives" or even sugest that liberals would or should. You brought that up.

2) It focuses on a single characteristic of an item, yes a car or knife is dangerous for example but it has a lot of utility as well. Likewise there's more to a gun than the danger involved in its use, any argument that only focuses on a sole aspect of something is flawed, including arguments to ban all guns for no other reason than they are dangerous.

Funny, isn't that what anti-gunners do? Focus on one aspect and use that to try and ban guns? Or was all that talk about right after the Conn. shooting just my imagination?
 
Tell that to all these people....Calls for Gun Bans. Not that it matters. The OP did not call for a "ban on all knives" or even sugest that liberals would or should. You brought that up.

Funny, isn't that what anti-gunners do? Focus on one aspect and use that to try and ban guns? Or was all that talk about right after the Conn. shooting just my imagination?

Alright some people are but most people are and implying that all liberals do is a flat out lie, and as I said focusing on a single aspect is stupid. Do you think pointing out that anti gun folks do it sometimes some how invalidates my statement? No. Firstly, I'm not responsible for what they say, secondly I don't associate with them anyway, and thirdly like it says in my lean I'm independent. And I'm independent for the very reason that I'm tied to someone else's statements.
 
Police are looking for the man who approached a woman waiting at a bus stop in Queens early Monday, forced her to a nearby cemetery and raped her at knifepoint.

Authorities said the suspect approached the 41-year-old victim at 91st Place and Corona Avenue in Elmhurst shortly before 5 a.m. and asked her who she was waiting for.

When she said "my husband," he put a knife to her back and forced her to a high school parking lot about two blocks away, where he made her empty her pockets.

Woman at Queens Bus Stop Taken to Cemetery, Raped at Knifepoint | NBC New York

Will the liberals be calling for KNIFE bans next?

Pretty sick -- using a rape to make your incoherent point that knives are as good as guns.

If that's the case, let's ban guns. Apparently knives can protect you against rapists just fine.
 
Tell that to all these people....Calls for Gun Bans. Not that it matters. The OP did not call for a "ban on all knives" or even sugest that liberals would or should. You brought that up.



Funny, isn't that what anti-gunners do? Focus on one aspect and use that to try and ban guns? Or was all that talk about right after the Conn. shooting just my imagination?

So your argument is that knives are just as dangerous as guns?

Then you shouldn't mind if we banned guns. You can keep your knife.

More boomsticklover incoherency.
 
Examples of guns not being used to kill people. Ok. Hunting is one. (people do need food after all and a $5 dollar bullet is still cheaper than Wal-Mart or Safeway meat pound for pound.)

Oh, you mention hunting and the reason we don't need to in the same sentence. You see we do not need to hunt because of places like walmart where we can get our meat much easier. How much hunting are you going to do in the bronx anyway? I have to cut my meat, and for that i need a knife. I don't have to shoot my meat. However, if we ever do go back to an agricultural society where hunting is a requirement for living rather than something only a select few people do to survive your point will be good.

The purpose for the tool is still killing. If i do not have a purpose to kill then I don't need a gun.
Incapcitation is another (where someone purposely aims for areas that are not deadly..like a knee cap).

Incapacitation? The last time i was trying to incapacitate someone i wasn't trying to kill them. That purpose is not a good one for a gun. When was the last time you had to cripple and not kill someone? If you want incapacitation we have tasers, certain gasses, hand to hand combat, drugs, and all sorts of things that do non-lethal incapacitation. Good god you watch too many movies. You are not dirty harry, and in a combat situation you are not hitting a moving knee cap. You aim at the torso for a reason, you are most likely to hit it even on a moving target.

Target practice is real fun and requires skill and when done in the Olympics is about sportsmanship (and no one is pointing the gun at anybody).

target practice is a use we all are going to need? Seriously, I am talking something useful. I could live my entire life without having ever shot a target. Without a knife i would not have been able to eat meat. Do you see the difference here? Even if i go out hunting i need a knife because i cannot shoot the meat off the bone. You are not getting the idea of a tool and utility are you? Even for the purpose of target practice you could use nonlethal projectile weapons like pellet guns.
And no, I didn't ask anyone to not think. I specifically said "think for yourself". If you had done so then you would know that there are more uses for guns than just killing people. That is just the talking point of the anti-gun crowd which has been proven false many a times.

You said think for yourself and you made an unjustified statement we were just supposed to accept without thinking. maybe you should think a little harder about utility and purposes for a gun. You had two things people have no need for a gun for. You had huntin which we have no actual need for in an industrialized country. Most people today have never had a need to kill their own food. You also had target shooting which doesn't require a lethal weapon. You incapacitation argument is piss poor because a gun is made to kill and not for the safety of the target. It is why you don't point a gun at someone or something you don't want to kill.

Feel free to find us an actual purpose people need a gun.
 
Oh, you mention hunting and the reason we don't need to in the same sentence. You see we do not need to hunt because of places like walmart where we can get our meat much easier. How much hunting are you going to do in the bronx anyway? I have to cut my meat, and for that i need a knife. I don't have to shoot my meat. However, if we ever do go back to an agricultural society where hunting is a requirement for living rather than something only a select few people do to survive your point will be good.

The purpose for the tool is still killing. If i do not have a purpose to kill then I don't need a gun.


Incapacitation? The last time i was trying to incapacitate someone i wasn't trying to kill them. That purpose is not a good one for a gun. When was the last time you had to cripple and not kill someone? If you want incapacitation we have tasers, certain gasses, hand to hand combat, drugs, and all sorts of things that do non-lethal incapacitation. Good god you watch too many movies. You are not dirty harry, and in a combat situation you are not hitting a moving knee cap. You aim at the torso for a reason, you are most likely to hit it even on a moving target.



target practice is a use we all are going to need? Seriously, I am talking something useful. I could live my entire life without having ever shot a target. Without a knife i would not have been able to eat meat. Do you see the difference here? Even if i go out hunting i need a knife because i cannot shoot the meat off the bone. You are not getting the idea of a tool and utility are you? Even for the purpose of target practice you could use nonlethal projectile weapons like pellet guns.


You said think for yourself and you made an unjustified statement we were just supposed to accept without thinking. maybe you should think a little harder about utility and purposes for a gun. You had two things people have no need for a gun for. You had huntin which we have no actual need for in an industrialized country. Most people today have never had a need to kill their own food. You also had target shooting which doesn't require a lethal weapon. You incapacitation argument is piss poor because a gun is made to kill and not for the safety of the target. It is why you don't point a gun at someone or something you don't want to kill.

Feel free to find us an actual purpose people need a gun.

1) Sport

2) Self Defense
 
And yet it is perfectly OK to use the killing of 20 children as a means to more gun control? Pfft. Where was your outrage against those that did that? Hidden away no doubt.

Um excuse me but you don't get to create a scapegoat out of something else to excuse bad behavior here.

And for the record I have always been pro-gun so keep your self-righteous comments to yourself.
 
I'm assuming that was irony. EVERYTHING gets turned into partisan bickering around here. Everything.

It may be status quo but that doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and say nothing about it.

And FYI it's not "debate politics" it's 'post your opine'. If this were a real debate site then half of the posts on here would have been moderated out of existence based on ignorance, trolling, or lack of evidence.
 
As opposed to the slaughter of a kindergarten class? You have some unrealistic expectations.

Non-sequitur, just like the other person who brought it up.

"The sky is blue therefore you have no right to be offended about rape!"

lol
 

A game is not utility, but good try
2) Self Defense

40+ years and my self defense has never needed a gun. Again this is not a need by most people in society every day like a knife. Not to mention my call was for some other purpose aside from killing someone in self defense. At least the sports thing almost covered that despite the reality far more sports are played with a ball rather than a gun.
 
I've been gone for a couple hours... for reasons too complex and boring to bother explaining, we had to take a drive through a bad part of town to see someone, at night. I work in that part of town a lot, during the DAYTIME... big difference once the sun sets, it ain't no place for an outsider to be at 9pm or later.

Unfortunately, it was needful.


I'm just going to note that I was armed, and I'm glad I was armed, and my companions were glad I was armed.
 
A game is not utility, but good try


40+ years and my self defense has never needed a gun. Again this is not a need by most people in society every day like a knife. Not to mention my call was for some other purpose aside from killing someone in self defense. At least the sports thing almost covered that despite the reality far more sports are played with a ball rather than a gun.

It's not about you - I don't care about you.

You can use a needle and thimble for all I care.
 
I've been gone for a couple hours... for reasons too complex and boring to bother explaining, we had to take a drive through a bad part of town to see someone, at night. I work in that part of town a lot, during the DAYTIME... big difference once the sun sets, it ain't no place for an outsider to be at 9pm or later.

Unfortunately, it was needful.


I'm just going to note that I was armed, and I'm glad I was armed, and my companions were glad I was armed.

BTDT - glad it turned out uneventful for you!

That is always the best way - prepare for the worst, be pleased when the preparation is not required.
 
Oh, you mention hunting and the reason we don't need to in the same sentence. You see we do not need to hunt because of places like walmart where we can get our meat much easier. How much hunting are you going to do in the bronx anyway? I have to cut my meat, and for that i need a knife. I don't have to shoot my meat. However, if we ever do go back to an agricultural society where hunting is a requirement for living rather than something only a select few people do to survive your point will be good.

The purpose for the tool is still killing. If i do not have a purpose to kill then I don't need a gun.


Incapacitation? The last time i was trying to incapacitate someone i wasn't trying to kill them. That purpose is not a good one for a gun. When was the last time you had to cripple and not kill someone? If you want incapacitation we have tasers, certain gasses, hand to hand combat, drugs, and all sorts of things that do non-lethal incapacitation. Good god you watch too many movies. You are not dirty harry, and in a combat situation you are not hitting a moving knee cap. You aim at the torso for a reason, you are most likely to hit it even on a moving target.



target practice is a use we all are going to need? Seriously, I am talking something useful. I could live my entire life without having ever shot a target. Without a knife i would not have been able to eat meat. Do you see the difference here? Even if i go out hunting i need a knife because i cannot shoot the meat off the bone. You are not getting the idea of a tool and utility are you? Even for the purpose of target practice you could use nonlethal projectile weapons like pellet guns.


You said think for yourself and you made an unjustified statement we were just supposed to accept without thinking. maybe you should think a little harder about utility and purposes for a gun. You had two things people have no need for a gun for. You had huntin which we have no actual need for in an industrialized country. Most people today have never had a need to kill their own food. You also had target shooting which doesn't require a lethal weapon. You incapacitation argument is piss poor because a gun is made to kill and not for the safety of the target. It is why you don't point a gun at someone or something you don't want to kill.

Feel free to find us an actual purpose people need a gun.

So you need knives like this?

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Or this?

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Or how about this hunting knife? After all...you don't need to hunt right?

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Funny how you always talk about "need". Well...you don't NEED to talk either so how about we take away your right to free speech? After all, speech can be used to start wars. How about your religion? You don't NEED that and so many wars have been started because of religion. How about your car? You don't NEED a car...you have two feet after all. A car is a convience, not a "need". And you don't actually "Need" a knife. If you cook meat just right it will fall apart. The rest you can use your teeth for.

See how rediculous your arguement sounds when it gets thrown back in your face? Just because some people think that you don't "need" something does not mean squat. Our rights are not based on "needs". They are based on fundemental inherant rights. People have a right to defend themselves against anyone and anything. Be it against other humans, bears, or the government. We have that Right. A right which you and others like you are trying to take away for very selfish reasons.

One more thing. I do not have to justify my right to defend myself to you or anyone else. It is my right to defend myself and I would bet 1 million dollars that if you were in a situation where you were going to die if you did not use a gun then you would pick up that gun and defend yourself.

However since you are trying to take away a right you damn well better come up with a better justification than "you don't NEED a gun".
 
Um excuse me but you don't get to create a scapegoat out of something else to excuse bad behavior here.

And for the record I have always been pro-gun so keep your self-righteous comments to yourself.

Then were was your indignation and anger when anti-gunners and Obama used the Conn. shooting to push their agenda?

And I don't care if you are pro-gun. You make a statment like you did while ignoring the other side doing the same thing then you are going to get called on it.

Like I said in the rest of that post which you ignored...

"Sometimes in order to prove a point you have to walk a mile in another persons shoes. Unfortenately when walking you may end up treading through mud to get to your destination."
 
So your argument is that knives are just as dangerous as guns?

Then you shouldn't mind if we banned guns. You can keep your knife.

More boomsticklover incoherency.

When you learn reading comprehension then get back to me. Until then your posts are so idiotic that this is the only time you're going to see me respond to you.
 
Alright some people are but most people are and implying that all liberals do is a flat out lie, and as I said focusing on a single aspect is stupid. Do you think pointing out that anti gun folks do it sometimes some how invalidates my statement? No. Firstly, I'm not responsible for what they say, secondly I don't associate with them anyway, and thirdly like it says in my lean I'm independent. And I'm independent for the very reason that I'm tied to someone else's statements.

Where did he imply "all"? He just said "Will the liberals be calling for KNIFE bans next?" Do all liberals support gun bans? Somehow I doubt it. Our country is just too diverse to believe such a thing.
 
Where did he imply "all"? He just said "Will the liberals be calling for KNIFE bans next?" Do all liberals support gun bans? Somehow I doubt it. Our country is just too diverse to believe such a thing.

Normally when people say "the something" it means the group as a whole, people don't ask "Do you think the Yankees will make the world series" and only mean some of them.

Anyway, regardless of whether he meant all or some the argument itself is still stupid, you're focusing on an unimportant aspect. Its not hypocritical to call for banning guns because they are dangerous while at the same time not calling for a ban on every other conceivably dangerous thing in the world. Why? Again because there are so many other aspects to firearms and to everything else that can be dangerous. So to call or to imply people are hypocrites for not wanting to ban cars is just stupid. Likewise its just as stupid to not want to ban guns because there are other dangerous things in the world as well. Why? Again, because there are other aspects too all these other things.

All in all, its just stupid period to focus on a single aspect.
 
1. We will require a rigorous background check to anyone trying to purchase a knife.
2. We will pass a law that requires a large metal ball at the end of the knife where the point might be. Then it cannot be used to stab people and it's even safer for people and especially children.
3. Then we will pass a law that all kniife handles must be no more than inch long, hence making it difficult to fully grasp the deadly weapon and use it as a weapon.
4. All portions of the blade will be dull except for a 1 inch section of the blade, which is all that is really needed to maintain functionality.
5. the inch of sharpened blade must always be holstered when not in used or washed, or locked in a safe.
6. Only butter knives will be allowed with on 1000 feet of a school.
7. Most important of all, of course, will be passing laws making it illegal to do illegal things with a knife.
 
It's not about you - I don't care about you.

You can use a needle and thimble for all I care.

I don't care about your irrelevant paranoia either. Just because you are paranoid doesn't make a gun a useful tool. Come up with a better use if there is one.
 
So you need knives like this?

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Or this?

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Or how about this hunting knife? After all...you don't need to hunt right?

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They are overpriced, but you could still cut things with them. they still have a lot more utility than a gun. You seem to not understand the argument. A gun can only be used to shoot things. A knife can be used for a variety of purposes, and most of which are non fatal and don't even involve hurting someone. You cannot do something other than shoot something with a gun. That is it's only purpose. That is the only thing it does well. How often do you need to do that, because i have never needed to.

Funny how you always talk about "need". Well...you don't NEED to talk either so how about we take away your right to free speech?

oh don't do the overreactionary rant where you stop thinking entirely. Actually, communication is important in life. It has helped us to do a lot of things as a species and may be one of the main reasons we rose above other animals. If it is a choice between a gun or communicating i think i will take communicating. However, it is noce to see you support taking away others rights when they disagree with you.

After all, speech can be used to start wars.

It is also used to end them. Oh, and interestingly enough you would not have modern guns without the collaboration of people through speech and communication.
How about your religion? You don't NEED that and so many wars have been started because of religion.

yes, but the wars are fought with guns, and oddly most religions supposedly teach killing is bad. If you thought about it that goes against the prime purpose of guns.
How about your car? You don't NEED a car...you have two feet after all. A car is a convience, not a "need".

A car has a lot more utility than a gun does. Are you really trying to tell us a car is as useful as a gun is? Do us a favor, ride your gun to work and see how far it gets you.
And you don't actually "Need" a knife. If you cook meat just right it will fall apart. The rest you can use your teeth for.

Have you ever tried to cook a cow or a deer in a stove? you need the knife to cut the big parts up. Seriously, turn the on switch back on in your brain. This is getting really bad.

See how rediculous your arguement sounds when it gets thrown back in your face?

When you do something aside from making absurd arguments that don't address mine I will be happy to tell you. Until then a gun has one use. Knives, languange, and cars have far more than one single use.
Just because some people think that you don't "need" something does not mean squat. Our rights are not based on "needs". They are based on fundemental inherant rights.

That is great, you have gone way down the road into a completely different argument. The argument you are avoiding because you know i am right is that knives are treated differently because they are far more useful and have more value to society on a whole than guns do. They do many more things for us than a gun can. This whole fundamental rights BS is just an avoidance of the fact that you know a gun has a singular purpose, and it really is not a great tool that would make a good argument for it to be allowed despite it's danger. knives are permitted because most people use them for a purpose every day. They are not pissing away ammo at targets to make their dick seem larger, they are doing things they need to do to live and survive. People live just fine every day without a gun, but your life would become a lot worse without knives.
People have a right to defend themselves against anyone and anything. Be it against other humans, bears, or the government. We have that Right. A right which you and others like you are trying to take away for very selfish reasons.

Yeah, and how many times have you used your gun to defend yourself in your life. How many people have you shot in self defense? The second question is how many times have you used a knife in the last week. I know which number is larger.
One more thing.

Is this one going to be good?
I do not have to justify my right to defend myself to you or anyone else. It is my right to defend myself and I would bet 1 million dollars that if you were in a situation where you were going to die if you did not use a gun then you would pick up that gun and defend yourself.

Again, it completely avoids the argument, and I didn't have to. yeah, i have been there, and I did not need a gun. However, i hate to think of how hard it would be to cook and eat without a knife.
However since you are trying to take away a right you damn well better come up with a better justification than "you don't NEED a gun".

Really, don't burst a blood vessel or anything. It is not your fault you cannot defend the utility of an object that is only meant to shoot things and do nothing else. It is just simply impossible to do. Most people who own guns will never shoot anything but targets with them. Most people with guns will never defend themselves with it. Most people with guns will never get the use they do out of a knife, or most other tools for that matter. A gun is something most people have and hope they never have to use it for it's purpose of killing things. A knife is something most people have because they know they will have a use for it. All your distractions and ranting aside, you simply cannot change that fact.
 
Again, where was your indignation and anger when anti-gunners and Obama used the deaths of 20 children to push their agenda?

Back off already. You can't call me on something I *didn't* do. I'm not omniscient and my life does not revolve around DP. I can state my disgust whenever and wherever I see fit and if you don't like it, well, you'll just have to deal with that on your own because it's not my problem.

Now stop trolling me about guns or whatever other irrelevant non-sense. I'm done here.
 
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