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NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

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The National Rifle Association has unveiled its recommendations for placing at least one armed guard inside every school campus in the country in proposals that were immediately denounced by gun control advocates as radical and dangerous.

America's most activist gun rights lobby group presented in Washington what it claimed was an "independent" review of school safety standards headed by a former Republican congressman from Arkansas, Asa Hutchinson. The core recommendation of the 225-page report is that school personnel carrying firearms should be placed not only within every school but within every campus in every school.

Hutchinson said that the presence of armed school personnel would cut down the time needed to intercept an active shooter present inside school premises. "One thing you know for sure is that the response time is critical - if you can reduce that response time, if you have the firearm on the presence of someone in the school, it will save lives."

The NRA's school shield report puts flesh on the bone of an idea first raised by Wayne LaPierre, the pugnacious executive vice-president of the lobby group, who made posting armed guards in all schools the centerpiece of his response to the Newtown school shooting in December. His memorable comment on school safety was that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

The NRA's new list of recommendations include changing local state and district laws to allow school personnel to carry guns – the report even has appended a model state law that would do so. It calls on federal funding to be used to encourage the take up of armed school guards and their training, which would involve between 40 to 60 hours of induction into the use of weapons – with the NRA offering its services as a training institution.

Hutchinson said that a range of guns could be deployed by the new armed school personnel, from handguns, to shotguns and even AR-15s, the semi-automatic assault rifles of the type used by the Newtown shooter with such devastating effect.

Full Story: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives' | World news | guardian.co.uk

I definitely think all schools should have at least one person armed, but I have mixed feelings about whether teachers should be able to carry in class. What do you think?
 
They shouldn't be able to carry in class. But for those that want it, they should have access to a lock box with their weapon. The lock box should be tamper proof so that if it's ever opened in a non-emergency, the principle or controlling agent will know about it.
 
If this is what it's come down to in order to protect school kids, I'd rather just shut down all the schools. The education is crap anyway.
 
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?
 
I never carry in church. I dont know why.
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?
 
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?

I'm unaware of any federal law that makes it illegal to have an armed guard at a church.
 
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?

If Churches were at risk, I wouldn't have any problem with it what-so-ever.
 
If this is what it's come down to in order to protect school kids, I'd rather just shut down all the schools. The education is crap anyway.

What's your solution?
 
Armed guards are fine even though they don't guarantee anything considering that Columbine had armed guards on duty during that shooting. However, arming teachers is stupid for a multitude of reasons. Not only will some kid eventually end up accidentally getting shot, but teachers will have to be seriously trained and paid more and each district is going to have to buy weapons, bullets and whatever else comes with these new additions. It would also make schools targets for criminals looking for weapons as I suspect not every teacher would take their weapon home. It would also probably make teaching an even less appealing profession than it already is making less exceptional people apply for the job. Arming teachers is just a dumb idea and people who suggest it as a rule are short sighted.
 
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?

My parent's church put out an open invitation to conceal carry. That was the pastor's decision to make. Our kids do not have a choice, they have to go to school. I'd like to make the school as safe of a learning environment as possible.

Having teachers that could, when required, arm themselves and respond to a threat could very likely neutralize an active shooter.
 
My first thought is teachers should be allowed to conceal carry, but I can see a ton of problems with that. Perhaps a safe with a double combination lock that required 2 to open or something.
 
Armed guards are fine even though they don't guarantee anything considering that Columbine had armed guards on duty during that shooting. However, arming teachers is stupid for a multitude of reasons. Not only will some kid eventually end up accidentally getting shot, but teachers will have to be seriously trained and paid more and each district is going to have to buy weapons, bullets and whatever else comes with these new additions. It would also make schools targets for criminals looking for weapons as I suspect not every teacher would take their weapon home. It would also probably make teaching an even less appealing profession than it already is making less exceptional people apply for the job. Arming teachers is just a dumb idea and people who suggest it as a rule are short sighted.

That's why it should be in a concealed lock box in the classroom. It should also be binded with a registration number so that if it's opened, a controlling agent will know. The only time they should be opening the lock box is during an emergency.

Security guards will get complacent, are only useful during a threat, and certainly will be the first to be taken out. A fraction of the money that would be used for armed security guards could be used for a voluntary armed teacher program. They could take courses in the summer and get a small pay bump for the responsibility.
 
I remember one of the high schools i went to was more of a prison than school. You had to go through two metal detectors and both main exits would be blocked by bars during school hours. A few armed guard would have been wonderful for the motif.
 
I wonder how people would feel about
putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?

Lol.....you make it sound like there's going to be a guy with full body armor on with a M16 in the "low ready" position.

What makes you think someone isn't already armed and who's there for the explicit purpose of self defens?
 
Lol.....you make it sound like there's going to be a guy with full body armor on with a M16 in the "low ready" position.

What makes you think someone isn't already armed and who's there for the explicit purpose of self defens?

In my experience there usually is. Mostly off duty LEOs, but the occasionally citizen with a CCW license too.
 
I definitely think all schools should have at least one person armed, but I have mixed feelings about whether teachers should be able to carry in class. What do you think?
If you can carry a gun at all, then you should be able to carry it wherever you can otherwise legally go.
 
They shouldn't be able to carry in class. But for those that want it, they should have access to a lock box with their weapon. The lock box should be tamper proof so that if it's ever opened in a non-emergency, the principle or controlling agent will know about it.
Because criminals will patiently wait for you to retrieve your weapon.
 
My first thought is teachers should be allowed to conceal carry, but I can see a ton of problems with that. Perhaps a safe with a double combination lock that required 2 to open or something.
Equally retarded option. Your personal weapon stays on your person and under your immediate control.
 
My parent's church put out an open invitation to conceal carry. That was the pastor's decision to make. Our kids do not have a choice, they have to go to school. I'd like to make the school as safe of a learning environment as possible.

Having teachers that could, when required, arm themselves and respond to a threat could very likely neutralize an active shooter.

We have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.
 
I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?

Some churches do have armed guards...and they have saved lives. But there are armed guards...and then there are armed guards who will actually deal with a situation.

The following link recounts the events of a shooting at a church in my area: The Heroine Of The Colorado Springs Church Shooting | Nice Deb

And, yeah...I think the hundred or so people she saved don't have a problem with armed guards at their church.

btw, if Jeanne Assam...or someone like her...had been at Sandy Hook Elementary I think it would be safe to say that a bunch of 6 and 7 year old children would be alive today.
 
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We have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.
Some of us have actually been in real situations and know personally wtf we're talking about. You apparently just play video-games.
 
We have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.

The teachers wouldn't be averagely trained. Several weeks during the summer they would be required to take special courses.

And do you have any actual facts to suggest that the teachers would do more harm than good? Let's imagine for a second one teacher did accidentally shoot a kid while trying to return fire to a shooter. One life trying to save 25 isn't that bad. Better than being completely unarmed and being shot like turkeys, like you'd prefer.

Because criminals will patiently wait for you to retrieve your weapon.

It needs to be paired with better security on campus to alert sooner to a threat. The gun will be very close by, and very quick to access, but the box will still restrict access to unauthorized personnel.
 
The teachers wouldn't be averagely trained. Several weeks during the summer they would be required to take special courses.

And do you have any actual facts to suggest that the teachers would do more harm than good? Let's imagine for a second one teacher did accidentally shoot a kid while trying to return fire to a shooter. One life trying to save 25 isn't that bad. Better than being completely unarmed and being shot like turkeys, like you'd prefer.



It needs to be paired with better security on campus to alert sooner to a threat. The gun will be very close by, and very quick to access, but the box will still restrict access to unauthorized personnel.
Add source material to be taken seriously.
 
No need, I'm armed at church, and I'm not the only one.

they will need an armed guard to shoot you when you go nuts and start blowing people away in the parking lot. That is what MAD is all about.
 
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