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Conn. lawmakers unveil bipartisan gun control plan

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HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - With an announcement of sweeping proposals to curb gun violence, Connecticut lawmakers said they are hoping to send a message to Congress and other state legislators across the country: A bipartisan agreement on gun control is possible.Legislative leaders on Monday revealed proposals spurred by the Dec. 14 Newtown school shooting following weeks of bipartisan, closed-door negotiations. A vote is expected Wednesday in the General Assembly, where Democrats control both chambers, making passage all but assured.
"Democrats and Republicans were able to come to an agreement on a strong, comprehensive bill," said Senate President Donald E. Williams Jr., a Democrat from Brooklyn, who called the proposed legislation the strongest, most comprehensive bill in the country. "That is a message that should resound in 49 other states and in Washington, D.C. And the message is: We can get it done here and they should get it done in their respective states and nationally in Congress."
The massacre reignited the gun debate in the country and led to calls for increased gun control legislation on the federal and state levels. While some other states, including neighboring New York, have strengthened their gun laws, momentum has stalled in Congress, whose members were urged by President Barack Obama last week not to forget the shooting and to capitalize on the best chance in years to stem gun violence.
The Connecticut deal includes a ban on new high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School that left 20 children and six educators dead. There are also new registration requirements for existing magazines that carry 10 or more bullets, something of a disappointment for some family members of Newtown victims who wanted an outright ban on the possession of all high-capacity magazines and traveled to the state Capitol on Monday to ask lawmakers for it.
The package also creates what lawmakers said is the nation's first statewide dangerous weapon offender registry, creates a new "ammunition eligibility certificate," imposes immediate universal background checks for all firearms sales, and extends the state's assault weapons ban to 100 new types of firearms and requires that a weapon have only one of several features in order to be banned.

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New laws, more laws, endless laws....One note on this one, I find it problematic that legislators are targeting the sale of ammo. What say you about the new Conn. laws?
 
The idea of requiring "some criminals" to register with the state (for five years?) should be interesting. The idea of "registering" a magazine should also be interesting, since most bear no serial numbers. This "gun registration" seems to be the only new feature and naturally applies only to the law abiding gun owner. The SCOTUS will likely shoot this down since it appears to make it illegal to buy/sell what you can still legally own inside the state of CT. I am having difficulty finding the CT bill's full text, but have found a "summary":

Bipartisan agreement on a state gun control bill made | WTNH.com Connecticut

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Co...aul/-/1637132/19555588/-/9meruuz/-/index.html
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The idea of requiring "some criminals" to register with the state (for five years?) should be interesting. The idea of "registering" a magazine should also be interesting, since most bear no serial numbers. This "gun registration" seems to be the only new feature and naturally applies only to the law abiding gun owner. The SCOTUS will likely shoot this down since it appears to make it illegal to buy/sell what you can still legally own inside the state of CT. I am having difficulty finding the CT bill's full text, but have found a "summary":

Bipartisan agreement on a state gun control bill made | WTNH.com Connecticut

Connecticut panel crafts gun law overhaul | News - Home
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Yeah, I don't see it anywhere either...I think that is because it isn't passed yet.
 
There's a republican in Connecticut? Damn. Who knew?
 
j-mac said:
New laws, more laws, endless laws....One note on this one, I find it problematic that legislators are targeting the sale of ammo. What say you about the new Conn. laws?
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Whether you tend to be for or against gun control measures, much of it is simply nonsensical. The only thing ammo certificates and magazine registrations will accomplish is to inconvenience law-abiding citizens. Your garden-variety maniac will simply purchase across state lines. A long walk in a state the size of CT.
 
Knee jerk reaction laws are always stupid. Just look at the patriot act as well. Hopefully this all gets struck down by SCOTUS.
 
I hope Stag Firearms and Colt pack up and leave and take those nice high paying blue collar jobs with them. Magpul already announced its leaving Colorado.
 
j-mac said:
New laws, more laws, endless laws....One note on this one, I find it problematic that legislators are targeting the sale of ammo. What say you about the new Conn. laws?
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I wouldn't call a bunch of RINOs and democrats coming together to **** on the 2nd amendment to actually be bi-partisan.
 
Would these new laws have stopped New Town? No.
 
Glad to see at least one state joining the civilized world. Hopefully more states in the northeast and west coast will follow.
 
jamesrage said:
I wouldn't call a bunch of RINOs and democrats coming together to **** on the 2nd amendment to actually be bi-partisan.
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Many of these laws are being passed by people who have absolutely NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to guns....Auto, semi-auto, magazines, clips, ammo...Hell, in listening to the wackadoodle congresswoman from Colorado, she doesn't know the difference between a round of ammo, and the magazine it is loaded into....

WASHINGTON — Democratic Rep. Diana DeGette drew national criticism Wednesday for remarks made at a public forum in which she said banning high-capacity in ammunition magazines would be effective in reducing gun violence because "the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available."
For years in Congress, DeGette has been the prime sponsor on a federal ban on high-capacity magazines.
But despite the congresswoman's claim, ammunition magazines can be reloaded with more bullets and can be reused hundreds of times.
"These are ammunition, they're bullets, so the people who have those now, they're going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high-capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available," she said at Tuesday's forum, hosted by The Denver Post's editorial board.


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She gets the "Hank" Johnson award for incredibly stupid remarks. These are the people making out laws people!
 
Passenger said:
Glad to see at least one state joining the civilized world. Hopefully more states in the northeast and west coast will follow.
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Socialists always want a disarmed citizenry...Makes it easier to control them....Too bad socialism always fails miserably.
 
j-mac said:
Many of these laws are being passed by people who have absolutely NO idea what they are talking about when it comes to guns....Auto, semi-auto, magazines, clips, ammo...Hell, in listening to the wackadoodle congresswoman from Colorado, she doesn't know the difference between a round of ammo, and the magazine it is loaded into....

She gets the "Hank" Johnson award for incredibly stupid remarks. These are the people making out laws people!
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I suspect that she like all the other anti-2nd amendment trash are merely resorting to lies and misinformation as an excuse to **** on the 2nd amendment. I do not believe she or any other anti-2nd amendment politician is really that stupid. For example how many times have you heard anti-2nd amendment trash refer to certain civilian firearms as assault weapons or military assault style weapons or some other term to imply that those firearms are really military weapons? How many times have you heard them refer to 11-30 round standard capacity magazines as high capacity magazines? Heck many of them try to make you believe that assault weapon(semi-automatic firearm with scary looking features) and assault rifle(automatic or burst rifle that fires a intermediate cartridge ) are synonymous terms like a media matters article posted in the gun forum did.
 
jamesrage said:
I suspect that she like all the other anti-2nd amendment trash are merely resorting to lies and misinformation as an excuse to **** on the 2nd amendment. I do not believe she or any other anti-2nd amendment politician is really that stupid. For example how many times have you heard anti-2nd amendment trash refer to certain civilian firearms as assault weapons or military assault style weapons or some other term to imply that those firearms are really military weapons? How many times have you heard them refer to 11-30 round standard capacity magazines as high capacity magazines? Heck many of them try to make you believe that assault weapon(semi-automatic firearm with scary looking features) and assault rifle(automatic or burst rifle that fires a intermediate cartridge ) are synonymous terms like a media matters article posted in the gun forum did.
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Yeah, I actually think that the congresswoman, spoke the truth about her agenda without even knowing it....Kind of like when Maxine Watters had that whole "this congresswoman is all about...", this dolt of a woman is talking of magazines as if it is ammo, thus claiming that ammo won't be available...That seems to be what they are doing now....
 
j-mac said:
New laws, more laws, endless laws....One note on this one, I find it problematic that legislators are targeting the sale of ammo. What say you about the new Conn. laws?
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it should apply to all Civilian law enforcement agents as well. no more than 10 rounds for any of them
 
Passenger said:
Glad to see at least one state joining the civilized world. Hopefully more states in the northeast and west coast will follow.
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LOL its so funny that all the gun banners are socialists or similarly minded collectivists
 
TurtleDude said:
it should apply to all Civilian law enforcement agents as well. no more than 10 rounds for any of them
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Hey Dude, good to see ya....Yes, that is what happened and in NYC they had a cow, (they being NYC law enforcement associations)....
 
j-mac said:
Socialists always want a disarmed citizenry...Makes it easier to control them....Too bad socialism always fails miserably.
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Socialism has been very successful in Scandinavian countries. And gun deaths are much lower there too. It's conservative policies that have failed miserably.
 
So it begins. Colt has begun the process of leaving Connecticut. As the largest gun manufacturer in the state, won't be long till the smaller companies like Stag and Mossberg follow suit. These companies generate roughly $1.7 billion for the state each year. Nothing to scoff at. I personally won't purchase a singe thing from them until they have completely left the state. Good thing, I almost bought a Mossberg shotgun last year, glad I waited.

Firearms Company Relocating To North Texas « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
 
What does registration (of magazines, even) actually do? As far as I can tell, having your name on a list associated with a particular thing can lead to absolutely no good.

Two questions: why would someone want to know where these magazines were, and what would they do with that knowledge?
 
j-mac said:
Hey Dude, good to see ya....Yes, that is what happened and in NYC they had a cow, (they being NYC law enforcement associations)....
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all law abiding civilians should have access to the same weaponry. If bloomturd and the mafioso cuomo don't trust civilians to have more than 7 shot (why seven shot-has anyone else realized how silly this is) weapons than the people our tax dollars pay to guard the pompous assholes called politicians should have the same restrictions
 
Passenger said:
Socialism has been very successful in Scandinavian countries. And gun deaths are much lower there too. It's conservative policies that have failed miserably.
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Problem is for you though, that what you see successful in Scandinavian countries are not that much different than here. Sweeden for example, has a constitution remarkably like our own. True socialist countries, run closer to out right communism, and are authoritarian by nature.
 
Passenger said:
Socialism has been very successful in Scandinavian countries. And gun deaths are much lower there too. It's conservative policies that have failed miserably.
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As it turns out, Scandinavians enjoy low poverty and unemployment rates. They also enjoy low poverty and unemployment rates everywhere else they live in the world. Turns out, Scandinavians like to work. Isn't that strange? Even stranger, Switzerland enjoys similarly low unemployment, and nobody can accuse that country of being socialist in the least.

Scandinavian countries also enjoy extremely low immigrant rates. Migrants tend to be "poor" when they immigrate (seeking new opportunity), thus driving up poverty rates of industrialized countries, such as the US, Germany, and Great Britain.

Norway and Sweden also ranked extremely high in suicide rates up until five years ago or so. Is that because of Socialism... or perhaps some other cause. Really, taking one example of a pseudo-socialist country (for having high taxes and social programs while also having low levels of government interference and nationalization) is disingenuous in the extreme. Might as well call Socialism since a bunch of Russians used to stand in line for toilet paper. We all know there is more to both sides of the story.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/steven-plaut/does-scandinavian-socialism-work/
 
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