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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

Gimmesometruth said:
LOL...you are just upset that he labeled them as (rw) terrorists!
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If I thought the AB were RW terrorists, I'd be all over that issue like a cheap suit, and I would have placed this thread in a different forum. The AB are a racist criminal gang. They appear to also be anti-homosexual, which maybe plays into the Right Wing argument. But...their actions are not political.

Now, if they blew up a courthouse because it was too far Left, and the judge there made leftist rulings, I'd call then RW Terrorists. But they aren't doing that. They are killing Right-leaning prosecutors in Texas and a corrections superior in Colorado, who was probably also Right leaning.

The AB isn't like Timothy McVeigh and his band of misguided weekend warriors. They are a for-real prison gang, with lots of criminal connections on the outside, who kill people for money. The AB are pimps, drug dealers, extortionists, and hit men.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
see, that is your problem, you did no such thing. And your motivation is outlined by your need to define them as a political rw terrorist group, when the experts in the firld describe them as a criminal gang
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It is a lie to claim that anyone "defined" AB as a "political group". They were defined as "a politically rightwing group that has engaged in terrorist crimes"
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you must not understand why and when appealing to an authority is a fallacy. It's a fallacy when you appeal to some perceived authority on a subject, but with that perceived authority having no real expertise in the area under question



Fallacy: Appeal to Authority

clearly both the FBI and SPLC can speak as authorities on the nature of the Aryan Brotherhood
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The SPLC identifies AB as rightwing, and as having engaged in terrorist crimes.
 
calamity said:
If I thought the AB were RW terrorists, I'd be all over that issue like a cheap suit, and I would have placed this thread in a different forum. The AB are a racist criminal gang. They appear to also be anti-homosexual, which maybe plays into the Right Wing argument. But...their actions are not political.

Now, if they blew up a courthouse because it was too far Left, and the judge there made leftist rulings, I'd call then RW Terrorists. But they aren't doing that. They are killing Right-leaning prosecutors in Texas and a corrections superior in Colorado, who was probably also Right leaning.

The AB isn't like Timothy McVeigh and his band of misguided weekend warriors. They are a for-real prison gang, with lots of criminal connections on the outside, who kill people for money. The AB are pimps, drug dealers, extortionists, and hit men.
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Umm, no. AB is not merely "racist". They are white supremacists. White supremacy groups have long been considered to be rightwing.

And attacking the govt is not the only form of terrorism. You may recall that the World Trade Center was not a govt facility, yet it was targetted by Al Queda
 
sangha said:
The SPLC identifies AB as rightwing, and as having engaged in terrorist crimes.
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actually your link, which you always seems to misinterpret after posting, stated that someone alleged that they asked about bombing court houses and federal buildings, which, again, could be , and likely is, criminally based.

And, again, this was simply alleged to by an informant
 
calamity said:
If I thought the AB were RW terrorists, I'd be all over that issue like a cheap suit, and I would have placed this thread in a different forum. The AB are a racist criminal gang. They appear to also be anti-homosexual, which maybe plays into the Right Wing argument. But...their actions are not political.

Now, if they blew up a courthouse because it was too far Left, and the judge there made leftist rulings, I'd call then RW Terrorists. But they aren't doing that. They are killing Right-leaning prosecutors in Texas and a corrections superior in Colorado, who was probably also Right leaning.

The AB isn't like Timothy McVeigh and his band of misguided weekend warriors. They are a for-real prison gang, with lots of criminal connections on the outside, who kill people for money. The AB are pimps, drug dealers, extortionists, and hit men.
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Again, as I have said to a number of times, cherry picking "actions" by a group and then saying they are such and such because of this narrow data set is false. You, like thrilla, have not accepted the evidence presented that determines whether or not they are a RWA organization. We already went over this.
 
sangha said:
Umm, no. AB is not merely "racist". They are white supremacists. White supremacy groups have long been considered to be rightwing.

And attacking the govt is not the only form of terrorism. You may recall that the World Trade Center was not a govt facility, yet it was targetted by Al Queda
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yes, for political reasons, not because they wanted to kill someone that was heading a criminal investigation against them

Hence the difference, and why your need to try and label this "terrorism" is so pathetic and sad
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, for political reasons, not because they wanted to kill someone that was heading a criminal investigation against them

Hence the difference, and why your need to try and label this "terrorism" is so pathetic and sad
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And as I showed you, that is not the limits of defining terrorism. I showed you the current statute.
 
hehe.. I see Sangha and Gst are still at work here, trying their damnedest to make the AB's into something political that they can hang around the necks of the right wingers.

well, it's lonely out on that limb, but at least they have each other. :lol:
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And as I showed you, that is not the limits of defining terrorism. I showed you the current statute.
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which has never been applied in the manner you claim...
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
actually your link, which you always seems to misinterpret after posting, stated that someone alleged that they asked about bombing court houses and federal buildings, which, again, could be , and likely is, criminally based.

And, again, this was simply alleged to by an informant
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And once again you have ignored the evidence I posted. The article I linked to identified three acts of terrorism.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
which has never been applied in the manner you claim...
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Really? Do you have absolute proof of that?

Besides, I have applied it, so yes, it has been. I showed the definition, and showed that the action taken fit the definition. That is all that is "required" for debate.
 
Thrilla said:
hehe.. I see Sangha and Gst are still at work here, trying their damnedest to make the AB's into something political that they can hang around the necks of the right wingers.

well, it's lonely out on that limb, but at least they have each other. :lol:
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You shouldn't use terms you don't understand.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
yes, for political reasons, not because they wanted to kill someone that was heading a criminal investigation against them

Hence the difference, and why your need to try and label this "terrorism" is so pathetic and sad
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Umm, AB has commited terroristic crimes on several occassions. Some of them had nothing to do with any criminal investigation against them. They attacked, and killed, black people in order to terrorize black people.

And I'm not the only one who considers this terrorism. The SPLC says the same thing. So does FAS

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R42536.pdf
 
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Thrilla said:
hehe.. I see Sangha and Gst are still at work here, trying their damnedest to make the AB's into something political that they can hang around the necks of the right wingers.

well, it's lonely out on that limb, but at least they have each other. :lol:
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According to Thrilla, there's nothing political about White Supremacy :screwy:
 
sangha said:
Umm, AB has commited terroristic crimes on several occassions. Some of them had nothing to do with any criminal investigation against them. They attacked, and killed, black people in order to terrorize black people.

And I'm not the only one who considers this terrorism. The SPLC says the dame thing. So does FAS

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R42536.pdf
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This is what the FAS paper says on the Aryan Brotherhood, to distinguish them from the Aryan nation, who you keep trying to confuse with the former:

Several gangs in America’s penal institutions subscribe to white supremacist beliefs, views
broadly shared by some domestic extremist groups such as the National Socialist Party, the
National Alliance, Aryan Nations, and racist skinheads. A national-level gang of this ilk with
approximately 15,000 members in and out of prison, the Aryan Brotherhood, has factions within
facilities managed by the California Department of Corrections and the Federal Bureau of
Prisons.389 The Nazi Low Riders, a regional-level gang with a membership estimated between
800 and 1,000, exists in correctional facilities on the West Coast and in the Southwest.390 Another
white supremacist gang with a prison and street presence, Public Enemy Number One—largely a
local-level organization with between 400 and 500 members—is mostly active in California with
scattered groups outside of the state.391
These three groups may espouse racial hatred, but they are largely guided by the profit motive,
not extremism.392 For example, one expert has described the Aryan Brotherhood’s ideological
underpinnings as “mostly just a good recruiting tool and a way to maintain structure and
discipline. These guys are more about making money than starting any kind of white
revolution.”393 As another indicator of the primacy of profit, members of all three white
supremacist groups often set aside their racism and “have working relationships with Hispanic
street gangs and non-white prison gangs such as the Mexican Mafia, due to a shared interest in
criminal activity, particularly the drug trade.”394 However, members of racist gangs do commit
hate crimes. For example, in 1998 “[t]wo of the three men who murdered James Byrd Jr., a black
man, by tying him to their pickup truck and dragging him over three miles of road near Jasper,
Texas, were ex-cons who belonged to the [Aryan] Brotherhood.”39
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key point: "These three groups may espouse racial hatred, but they are largely guided by the profit motive, not extremism."

and this was the only mention of the AB in the entire paper. SO as you can see, there is no mention of them being a terrorist organization. in fact, it indicates the exact opposite
 
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Shouldn't start a charity to send more guns to Texas to help make them safer?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
This is what the FAS paper says on the Aryan Brotherhood, to distinguish them from the Aryan nation, who you keep trying to confuse with the former:



key point: "These three groups may espouse racial hatred, but they are largely guided by the profit motive, not extremism."

and this was the only mention of the AB in the entire paper. SO as you can see, there is no mention of them being a terrorist organization. in fact, it indicates the exact opposite
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Their being included in a paper on domestic terrorism.....indicates they are not terrorists? Did the paper say they were not? Nope. Did the paper include the newest offenses, namely the assassination of prosecutors to stop further investigation/prosecutions (influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion)? No, it did not.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Their being included in a paper on domestic terrorism
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you should really read the paper. It's not very long

Prison Radicalization. ***Prison has been highlighted as an arena in which terrorist
radicalization can occur.*** Some prison gangs delve into radical or extremist
ideologies that motivate domestic terrorists, and in a number of instances, these
ideologies are integral to fashioning cohesive group identities within prison
walls. ***It must be reiterated, however, that even for gangs that exhibit these
ideological dimensions, criminal enterprises such as drug trafficking—not radical
beliefs—largely drive their activities.***
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It's pointing out they can be an avenue for more political racial groups (domestic terrorists)
 
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