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Boston College students could face disciplinary action for distributing condoms[W:27]

Rules are established for various reasons. If one opts to be a part of an organization, the USMC for example, one is expected to follow the rules or face the consequences..


and i agree, even if the rules are silly.


you asked, i answered.
 
I wonder how a Muslim University would handle this type of issue? BC is a 'backwards' place? I didn't know that.
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Ok, Look people maybe I worded my opening poorly...The students to my understanding are doing this against the universities rules, known by the students. If the students, whom have been warned about this prior, continued to do it anyway then BC is within its rights to take action. But the ACLU trying to take action against BC for enforcing their own rules is blowing my mind....This is a private university, if the students don't like the rules, let them find another place to go to school....To me this is like someone ordering a meal at a restaurant, then after they eat the meal saying that they didn't like it so they are refusing to pay. It isn't right.

I agree with you the court case is silly, but it is within the rights of the students in the civil litigation world. I understand people make obscure and stupid law cases every day, but once we stop allowing those things based on some arbitrary judgement we are going to start tossing out real cases because some guy thinks they are stupid. It is one of the problems with freedom.

I completely agree that if the students cannot deal with the rules and regulations of the school they should find another one. It is time to stop changing religious schools, and time to start realizing they are stupid unless you are studying to be a priest or something within that religion. The students going to BU want the name that really amounts to how much money they piss away. Instead of changing the college to be a half assed alternative to a real education, they should simply not go there. I agree wholeheartedly they should go to a real school, and not a bible school parading around as education. I do hope they get the hint when BU boots them out which i also agree they have every right to do.
 
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It's the rule they should have to follow the rules!

RAARR OBAMACARE GUN CONTROL FOUNTAIN DRINKS

Personally, I think both private and public schools routinely overstep their authority in the personal lives of their students. They need to be challenged more often. Whether I'm in the basement playing Dungeons and Dragons, hosting a bible study, or having a massive orgy, my personal life is my personal life. What business is that of any school's?
 
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bible = fairy tale

Cheap shots like this serve as much a purpose as "your mom" jokes.
 
Re: Boston College students could face disciplinary action for distributing condoms[W

It's the rule they should have to follow the rules!

RAARR OBAMACARE GUN CONTROL FOUNTAIN DRINKS

Personally, I think both private and public schools routinely overstep their authority in the personal lives of their students. They need to be challenged more often. Whether I'm in the basement playing Dungeons and Dragons, hosting a bible study, or having a massive orgy, my personal life is my personal life. What business is that of any school's?

I went to a private college where they were allowed to do room searches with no warning. If they found anything improper they expelled people immediately. No questions asked. If they couldn't figure out whose it was, everyone in the room got expelled.
 
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Cheap shots like this serve as much a purpose as "your mom" jokes.

File your hurt feelings report over here --------------------->
 
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I went to a private college where they were allowed to do room searches with no warning. If they found anything improper they expelled people immediately. No questions asked. If they couldn't figure out whose it was, everyone in the room got expelled.

Congratulations on going to a school run by assholes, I guess?
 
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File your hurt feelings report over here --------------------->

Yes, I am truly, deeply hurt by your childish quips about someone else's holy book.
 
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Congratulations on going to a school run by assholes, I guess?

I see it as a college that requires people to follow the rules and accept the consequences if they don't. We also had class attendance requirements. Then again this was a college focused on careers rather than random worthless knowledge like most are.
 
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Ok, Look people maybe I worded my opening poorly...The students to my understanding are doing this against the universities rules, known by the students. If the students, whom have been warned about this prior, continued to do it anyway then BC is within its rights to take action. But the ACLU trying to take action against BC for enforcing their own rules is blowing my mind....This is a private university, if the students don't like the rules, let them find another place to go to school....To me this is like someone ordering a meal at a restaurant, then after they eat the meal saying that they didn't like it so they are refusing to pay. It isn't right.

It could be fine. If the college is only enforcing certain rules pertaining to their religious beliefs and their contract, then the students absolutely could have a case. If this is in fact shown to be a well-known party school where the staff isn't showing a legitimate effort to enforce rules against such things (pretty sure such a college would have some rules against partying) then they could show that they are picking and choosing enforcement based on political agenda rather than what the contract says. If they find anything that shows the college isn't taking the rest of the contract seriously, they have a case, no matter who agrees with it.
 
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Possibly, but does that mean that because in the past they have been lax, that they can no longer enforce their own rules? Isn't that anarchy, or the beginnings of it?

It could. There is precedence that if an organization does not continually enforce rules it establishes for its people then trying to enforce those rules later becomes harder to defend even in court.
 
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I went to a private college where they were allowed to do room searches with no warning. If they found anything improper they expelled people immediately. No questions asked. If they couldn't figure out whose it was, everyone in the room got expelled.

I'm curious, what college was this exactly?
 
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I'm curious, what college was this exactly?

Johnson & Wales University in Providence, RI circa 1992-94. The University has since loosened its regulations and many of us alumni no longer support the school.
 
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Johnson & Wales University in Providence, RI circa 1992-94. The University has since loosened its regulations and many of us alumni no longer support the school.

I dunno I still find room inspections without warning and immediate expulsion without questions and I'm assuming without appeal either a little unbelievable, and definitely undesirable. O well.
 
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I dunno I still find room inspections without warning and immediate expulsion without questions and I'm assuming without appeal either a little unbelievable, and definitely undesirable. O well.

You knew the rules ahead of time. They were very clear and defined when you moved in. Your room contract spelled it all out.
 
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It's just a story..

Oh I don't really believe it, but I was curious. Tigger is known for exaggeration
 
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Oh I don't really believe it, but I was curious. Tigger is known for exaggeration

How do you think I ended up getting a roommate expelled for having weed in the room?
 
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I dunno I still find room inspections without warning and immediate expulsion without questions and I'm assuming without appeal either a little unbelievable, and definitely undesirable. O well.

Actually students know on the first day that their rooms can be searched. The RAs tell students to take anything that is prohibited with them over long breaks like Thanksgiving or Christmas because the rooms are searched and if it is found the kids can get in trouble.
 
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It could be fine. If the college is only enforcing certain rules pertaining to their religious beliefs and their contract, then the students absolutely could have a case. If this is in fact shown to be a well-known party school where the staff isn't showing a legitimate effort to enforce rules against such things (pretty sure such a college would have some rules against partying) then they could show that they are picking and choosing enforcement based on political agenda rather than what the contract says. If they find anything that shows the college isn't taking the rest of the contract seriously, they have a case, no matter who agrees with it.

most contracts have a little clause that says failure to enforce rules does not mean the rules become void.
 
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most contracts have a little clause that says failure to enforce rules does not mean the rules become void.

Like most things in the law though, it will depend on how it looks to a court. Contracts are not ironclad. Especially not college admission ones.

I honestly don't care if this group is able to go to court and win. I have no issue with them handing out condoms and think the college is wrong to try to stop them but understand the signed the contract is pretty hard to beat. I just also know that college students don't always have as much choice in where they go to college at as many seem to think.

Honestly, this is just a stupid waste of time on the school's part. It will look really bad for the college if they expel these students for giving out condoms, religious affiliation or not. However right they may be legally in doing so, they will still come off bad because the majority of the educated world realizes that condoms are a good thing and using them and encouraging others to do so shows responsibility, something college should be helping to instill into students, not hindering.
 
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I just also know that college students don't always have as much choice in where they go to college at as many seem to think.

A college education is a LUXURY item, not a Right or a Necessity in life, rogue. If you don't like the school you got into or its rules you're free not to attend.

Honestly, this is just a stupid waste of time on the school's part. It will look really bad for the college if they expel these students for giving out condoms, religious affiliation or not. However right they may be legally in doing so, they will still come off bad because the majority of the educated world realizes that condoms are a good thing and using them and encouraging others to do so shows responsibility, something college should be helping to instill into students, not hindering.

College should be about preparing for a Career and learning to get along in an orderly and proper society. A large part of that is learning to either play by the rules or find a different game to play in. These kids should have known what they were getting into when they signed the paperwork. Just like the high school teacher somewhere out west who got fired for getting pregnant a couple months ago, and my former roommate who couldn't keep the alcohol, tobacco, and weed out of our dorm room. Know the rules. Play by the rules. If you can't/won't.... find a new game to play in and leave the old one to those of us who can and will follow the rules.
 
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No what I am saying is that they are doing it the wrong way. They first need to address the drinking problem because I bet the party atmosphere is part of the reason condoms are needed. Having lived so close to the school, having been at BC and BC parties (against my own will, a true BU student never goes there) and knowing people at BC addressing the drinking solves a lot of problems.


That's another issue, this one is about the students passing out condoms against University rules, after having been warned. Also, as a side note, I don't think the University has a problem if these students are in possession of condoms, or if on their way to a party they stop at the local Rite Aid and shell out the $6 for a box of them. But, flagrantly ignoring the warning, and continuing to do what has gotten you the warning in the first place is evidence that they deserve what ever the University decides is proper coming their way.

You don't go somewhere, make yourself aware of the rules, then demand that where you are change their rules to suit you.
 
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One might ask the question, Why now?

Boston College, ACLU clash over condom giveaway | Religion News Service

Lizzie Jekanowski, chair of BCSSH, told Boston.com that the Safe Sites program fills a need that the university is not providing to its student body. Students who go to any of the 18 locations — all but one are in dorms — can pick up free male and female condoms, lubricant, and pamphlets about sexual health.

Jekanowski told Boston.com the administration has been aware of these sites for at least two years and never taken action. She said she was upset that BC officials did not reach out to BCSSH members before issuing the threatening letters.

“We’ve had a very open relationship and it’s been very positive,” she said. “This letter was very warmongering and threatening.”

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Members of BCSSH have agreed to meet with administrators on April 29 to try to resolve the dispute. In the meantime, it has sparked a campus debate. “I’m sure many people are sexually active on campus. It seems like a good resource,” one student tells WBZ-TV.
 
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