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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

apdst said:
I know plenty of people that didn't get what

they need at home and didn't grow up to be murderers.

I think, regardless of a kid's home life, that the appeal of that, "thug life", is far more attractive to every kid's instinct to rebel. I think we're all just as susceptable to falling into that trap, if exposed to it. Does home training make a difference? Sure it does, but sometimes the gang life outweighs the home training.

I don't think there's any hard and fast rule as to why kids become invovled become involved in this crap and I could list a dozen, or more, reasons why I think it happens, but your mileage may vary.
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Sorry but I've got to disagree with you there.

Home life, especially at early ages is key in discouraging your kids away from gangs, crime and stupid and destructive fads.

Kids look for in their community what they're not getting at home. There are statistics on how many people that wind up in prison ( sorry can't link to it ) that grew up in broken, abusive and dysfunctional homes and its astounding.

Sure you would have the exception, but not whats happening inplaces like South Chicago.

And parents learn from their parents how to raise children efdectively, which explains the perpetual amount of crime and poverty that seems to go on in inner city neighborhoods.

My daughter won her district in Hurdles last year and came in second on the 100 meter dash.

The girl that beat her in the 100m was amazingly talented, could have gone to any school under a full scholarship. I took one look at her mother and knew it was a lost cause.

Where is she this year ? Dropped out of school and pregnant.
 
Fenton said:
A scum of the earth low life shoots a baby in the face during a armed robbery ?

If they want to start a race issue over that then bring it on.
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It will happen. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't already here. They may be on the way. Too much anger down here over Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis. Something like this is bound to stir this kind of garbage up.
 
apdst said:
I know plenty of people that didn't get what they need at home and didn't grow up to be murderers.

I think, regardless of a kid's home life, that the appeal of that, "thug life", is far more attractive to every kid's instinct to rebel. I think we're all just as susceptable to falling into that trap, if exposed to it. Does home training make a difference? Sure it does, but sometimes the gang life outweighs the home training.

I don't think there's any hard and fast rule as to why kids become invovled become involved in this crap and I could list a dozen, or more, reasons why I think it happens, but your mileage may vary.
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Well, your point is well-taken, but of my friends who came from poor backgrounds who were also minorities, the common factor seems to be good and strong parenting, by a mother and/or father who not only expected, but demanded respectful behavior, regardless of how much their kids wanted to rebel, and the parents stayed on top of their childrens' activities and social lives, like a duck on a junebug. You don't have to have great parents to have a good and honest life, but it gives you a much better chance at succeeding to have strong and loving parental support.
 
Fenton said:
Sorry but I've got to disagree with you there.

Home life, especially at early ages is key in discouraging your kids away from gangs, crime and stupid and destructive fads.

Kids look for in their community what they're not getting at home. There are statistics on how many people that wind up in prison ( sorry can't link to it ) that grew up in broken, abusive and dysfunctional homes and its astounding.

Sure you would have the exception, but not whats happening inplaces like South Chicago.

And parents learn from their parents how to raise children efdectively, which explains the perpetual amount of crime and poverty that seems to go on in inner city neighborhoods.

My daughter won her district in Hurdles last year and came in second on the 100 meter dash.

The girl that beat her in the 100m was amazingly talented, could have gone to any school under a full scholarship. I took one look at her mother and knew it was a lost cause.

Where is she this year ? Dropped out of school and pregnant.
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I'm not saying it doesn't help. Just that it isn't a gaurantee. I have a brother and a sister doing time for drug related crimes and they recieved the same home training that I did.
 
lizzie said:
Well, your point is well-taken, but of my friends who came from poor backgrounds who were also minorities, the common factor seems to be good and strong parenting, by a mother and/or father who not only expected, but demanded respectful behavior, regardless of how much their kids wanted to rebel, and the parents stayed on top of their childrens' activities and social lives, like a duck on a junebug. You don't have to have great parents to have a good and honest life, but it gives you a much better chance at succeeding to have strong and loving parental support.
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I'm a minority that came from a poor community and I saw several different scenarios evolve.

My point, is that home training isn't the make, or break factor.

These kids can't get a job, because of the labor laws, Obamacare and minimum wage being so high. If they had a chance to get a job, there's a chance they would be developing a work ethic vice being common street punks.
 
Lachean said:
Source for that claim?
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Ummm, it isn't news. It's information that's been out for quite some time.

In 2010, 40.8 percent of all births were to unmarried women. This level compares with 33.2 percent in 2000 and 18.4 percent in 1980 (Table C). Within age groups, 88 percent of births to teenagers and 63 percent of births to women aged 20–24 were nonmarital. One in five births to women aged 30 and over were to unmarried women. The proportions of nonmarital births vary widely among population subgroups. In 2010, these proportions were 17 percent for API, 29 percent for non-Hispanic white, 53 percent for Hispanic, 66 percent for AIAN, and 73 percent for non-Hispanic black births.
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http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_01.pdf
 
apdst said:
These kids can't get a job, because of the labor laws, Obamacare and minimum wage being so high. If they had a chance to get a job, there's a chance they would be developing a work ethic vice being common street punks.
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I call bullsh1t on this. These kids can't get a job because they walk in with a street thug mentality, with their pants halfway down their ass and ballcaps turned around sideways. Is it wrong to stereotype someone based on the way they dress? Maybe. But having ran a business before, I'd hire a kid 9 times out of 10 if he walked in dressed normally with a decent attitude, as opposed to someone who would pop a cap in my ass if I didn't hire him.
 
Superfly said:
It will happen. I'm surprised Jesse Jackson
and Al Sharpton aren't already here. They may be on the way. Too much anger down here over Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis. Something like this is bound to stir this kind of garbage up.
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Lets hope cooler heads prevail.
 
Superfly said:
I call bullsh1t on this. These kids can't get a job because they walk in with a street thug mentality, with their pants halfway down their ass and ballcaps turned around sideways. Is it wrong to stereotype someone based on the way they dress? Maybe. But having ran a business before, I'd hire a kid 9 times out of 10 if he walked in dressed normally with a decent attitude, as opposed to someone who would pop a cap in my ass if I didn't hire him.
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Might want to rethink that. The normally dressed kid won't cry racism or discrimination.
 
Superfly said:
I call bullsh1t on this. These kids can't get a job because they walk in with a street thug mentality, with their pants halfway down their ass and ballcaps turned around sideways. Is it wrong to stereotype someone based on the way they dress? Maybe. But having ran a business before, I'd hire a kid 9 times out of 10 if he walked in dressed normally with a decent attitude, as opposed to someone who would pop a cap in my ass if I didn't hire him.
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That's another reason. The list will go on and on.
 
j-mac said:


Ok, I am not posting this to be another in the long overplayed line of gun rights bashing threads. So, other than the AP obviously grammar challenged writers, Anyone notice the absolute shoddy police work here? I'd be surprised if these two teens are even indicted....Thoughts?
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Maybe they're trying too hard to lean right on the NRA issues and not pursuing this because it's clearly another reason for talking about gun control and gun owner responsibility.
 
Gipper said:
Might want to rethink that. The normally dressed kid won't cry racism or discrimination.
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Because it wouldn't be racism. It would be the fact that I want to hire somebody that's going to do a good job.

If a white kid walked in with his pants halfway down his ass and his ballcap turned sideways, I wouldn't hire him, either. I'd laugh at him, but I wouldn't hire him.

People need to step up and take responsibility for the fact that they aren't getting hired because of their own actions - not because of who they are. I had a girl come in my store once, wearing dirty, bleach-spotted sweat pants and a tee shirt covered in food stains. She was carrying a dirty, unkempt baby who had crust around his nose and who's hair hadn't been brushed in probably a week. I didn't hire her either. She was white. It's not about color. It's about appearance.
 
Superfly said:
Because it wouldn't be racism. It would be the fact that I want to hire somebody that's going to do a good job.

If a white kid walked in with his pants halfway down his ass and his ballcap turned sideways, I wouldn't hire him, either. I'd laugh at him, but I wouldn't hire him.

People need to step up and take responsibility for the fact that they aren't getting hired because of their own actions - not because of who they are. I had a girl come in my store once, wearing dirty, bleach-spotted sweat pants and a tee shirt covered in food stains. She was carrying a dirty, unkempt baby who had crust around his nose and who's hair hadn't been brushed in probably a week. I didn't hire her either. She was white. It's not about color. It's about appearance.
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If the black community won't listen to Bill Cosby or Colin Powell, fat chance of them listening to you. :D
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.
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Gosh. Got just 3 posts into the thread and found this massive stench of a post that only comes from the bowels of liberal ignorance. I am sure others have taken your post to task, but I am still dumbfounded at its stupidity.

So tell us all what "racial slurs" provoke the cold-blooded murder of a 13 month old ?

Do you have any concept of how completely ignorant your thoughts are in that post ? I'll wager that you do not.
 
OMG. Just watched the news, and they had Sherry West's adult daughter doing a phone interview. West lost custody of her when she was very young. West kept changing her stories with her daughter, first telling her the baby was shot first, then that she was shot first. She then asked her daughter how soon she thought the life insurance would issue her a check.
 
De'Marquise Elkins, Charged With Murder Of 13-Month-Old Antonio Santiago, Is Not Guilty, Lawyer Says

The 17 yo boy is now charged with murder. That's incredibly fast given that we don't know what kind of investigation and incriminating evidence the police has to support the charge other than "West has said she picked the gunman out of a photo lineup of 24 mugshots and insists he killed her baby."

If that's all the police has, than it's a travesty of justice to put this boy and his poor family through this crisis.
 
dolphinocean said:
De'Marquise Elkins, Charged With Murder Of 13-Month-Old Antonio Santiago, Is Not Guilty, Lawyer Says

The 17 yo boy is now charged with murder. That's incredibly fast given that we don't know what kind of investigation and incriminating evidence the police has to support the charge other than "West has said she picked the gunman out of a photo lineup of 24 mugshots and insists he killed her baby."

If that's all the police has, than it's a travesty of justice to put this boy and his poor family through this crisis.
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They have more than that. The 14 year old gave him up. They didn't have this guy's name until the 14 year old told him who he was.

Also, this wouldn't be the first defense attorney to say his client was innocent.

I don't know what's going on - who did what to whom. I just know the whole thing is off.
 
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