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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing

The giving away of her baby's belonging in such short order fits a pattern. That's all I'll say.

It's very disturbing that the police would talk about charging the 17 yo as adult and to determine who pulled the trigger at this very early investigation that based solely on the woman's identification is very disturbing.

Where is the evidence the teenagers were at the scene at 9 am that morning? Where are the blood/DNA or GSR on their clothings and hands? Where are the witnesses who saw the teenagers there let alone pulling the trigger.

Is the place so isolated that nobody could hear the commotion or the shot fired and nobody ran out to see what's going on? At 9 am shouldn't there be people going about to work or doing something?

This is something else that bothers me. Like I said earlier, I live in Brunswick. When I drove my daughter to school, there were people all over the place at that hour. Everywhere. Walking to school, walking to work. It's a very impoverished area. The school is surrounded by the projects. Lots of people walk because they just don't have a car. I can't believe that, one block off the school, there were no witnesses, as has been reported.
 
Hilarious stuff coming from the guy who wants to hang george zimmerman without a single eyewitness of any crime even being committed, nor a shred of incriminating evidence against him.
I can't believe you are so enamored by Zimmerman that you are willing to turn everything into Zimmerman's case with your baseless comparison.

Hilarious stuffs are coming from you, just use your brain for once.

Show me where are the physical evidence putting the two black teenager there at the crime scene let alone pulling the trigger? Where is the weapon that linked to the teen perpetrator? You certainly don't require that as long as they are black teenagers, right? Never mind one of the kids have family member saying he wasn't there but was with them at that time. And these two black teens were arrested so lightning quick as soon as the police combed through the neighborhood fishing for any black teens fitting the grossly generalized description that could describe just about every black teenagers.

So, where's your outrage for that?

Of course there is none from you except scorn because the two teenagers are blacks, whereas Zimmerman is white/latino even though he was there at the crime scene admitting to the officer he shot Trayvon Martin. So, there was no question who shot Trayvon Martin. We may argue and disagree on the evidence in Zimmerman's case that has so much discrepancy and inconsistencies, but the fact that he almost was allowed to walk free by SPD based on SYGL showed that Zimmerman was given special treatment but blacks are always suspects despite being an unarmed victim of being shot to death as in Trayvon's case.
 
And on CSI the 'techs' would set up a series of lasers to show the exact trajectory! Then lead the team to kick in the door and arrest the perp!

Actually, the doctor that treated this woman would have noted the angle of entry.
 
Wow, some people will just go down swingin' with their racism. Obvious black kid didn't do it. That's racist. Obviously a white conspiracy. Really...elaborate...conspiracy.

I bet she paid them to do it, pro-black crowd? Huh?

Thanks! I sure as hell didn't want to be the first to say it.
 
I can't believe you are so enamored by Zimmerman that you are willing to turn everything into Zimmerman's case with your baseless comparison.

Hilarious stuffs are coming from you, just use your brain for once.

Show me where are the physical evidence putting the two black teenager there at the crime scene let alone pulling the trigger? Where is the weapon that linked to the teen perpetrator? You certainly don't require that as long as they are black teenagers, right? Never mind one of the kids have family member saying he wasn't there but was with them at that time. And these two black teens were arrested so lightning quick as soon as the police combed through the neighborhood fishing for any black teens fitting the grossly generalized description that could describe just about every black teenagers.

So, where's your outrage for that?

Of course there is none from you except scorn because the two teenagers are blacks, whereas Zimmerman is white/latino even though he was there at the crime scene admitting to the officer he shot Trayvon Martin. So, there was no question who shot Trayvon Martin. We may argue and disagree on the evidence in Zimmerman's case that has so much discrepancy and inconsistencies, but the fact that he almost was allowed to walk free by SPD based on SYGL showed that Zimmerman was given special treatment but blacks are always suspects despite being an unarmed victim of being shot to death as in Trayvon's case.

If these two boys were white and the baby was black, you would be calling for a lynching.
 
Id be surprised if they got the right guys. Hopefully forensics can help.


Ok, I am not posting this to be another in the long overplayed line of gun rights bashing threads. So, other than the AP obviously grammar challenged writers, Anyone notice the absolute shoddy police work here? I'd be surprised if these two teens are even indicted....Thoughts?
 
No, I wouldn't. I'd still say the same thing.

Like your supreme scrutiny of Deedee, the pathological liar who doesn't even know where she was or how old she is, versus someone whose toddler was just murdered?
 
Like your supreme scrutiny of Deedee, the pathological liar who doesn't even know where she was or how old she is, versus someone whose toddler was just murdered?
What does Deedee gotta do with this case or for that matter, Zimmerman?

You are so enamored with Zimmerman that you can't seems to let it go without hell bending on hijacking this thread into Zimmerman's case. There is a whole sub-forum devoted solely to your beloved lover over there. So, take your lover's advice and skip along over there, will ya?
 
What does Deedee gotta do with this case or for that matter, Zimmerman?

You are so enamored with Zimmerman that you can't seems to let it go without hell bending on hijacking this thread into Zimmerman's case. There is a whole sub-forum devoted solely to your beloved lover over there. So, take your lover's advice and skip along over there, will ya?

Enamored? me?

You'd almost think i was the one here for 4 years and with half of my total posts in the zimmerman/TM forum. ROFLMAO. i see your delusions don't just stop in the realm of criminal justice.

But let's stop derailing this thread; it's clear you have vastly different standards.Everyone else can draw their own conclusions.
 
Pretty much everything points to parents wanting to KEEP their children's belongings.

No. It depends entirely on the individual. Some keep "shrines"; some get rid of everything, just as some bereaved parents visit the cemetery frequently, occasionally, and never-ever.

And however they choose to deal with a grief that is unimaginable unless it's been experienced, they're "wrong." If they take down pictures, that's mistake and shows they don't care enough, didn't love enough. If they keep the pictures up, they're "living unhealthily in the past" and not "moving on."
 
No. It depends entirely on the individual.

That doesn't seem to be the case:

Grieving the Loss of a Child | Cancer.Net

Take time deciding what to do with your child's belongings; don't rush to pack up your child's room or to give away toys and clothes.

The Death Of A Child - The Grief Of The Parents: A Lifetime Journey

Most grieving parents experience great pain and distress deciding what to do with their child's belongings. Parents need to under-stand that this task will be most difficult and that different parents make different decisions. They should be encouraged to hold onto any experiences, memories, or mementoes they have of the child and find ways to keep and treasure them. These memories and mementoes-their legacy from the short time they shared with this very special person- will be affirming and restorative in the future.

Again, her reaction just isn't what is expected. This whole subjectivity nonsense you're playing here is not consistent with reality. She's not just putting the kid's things away, she's giving them away before the kid is even in the ground frozen. She's talking about the justice system and procedures she wants done as if the guy who she identified from a lineup has actually been found guilty. I wouldn't go as far as saying she had something to do with the kid's death, but this doesn't remotely look right.
 
That doesn't seem to be the case:

Grieving the Loss of a Child | Cancer.Net



The Death Of A Child - The Grief Of The Parents: A Lifetime Journey



Again, her reaction just isn't what is expected. This whole subjectivity nonsense you're playing here is not consistent with reality. She's not just putting the kid's things away, she's giving them away before the kid is even in the ground frozen. She's talking about the justice system and procedures she wants done as if the guy who she identified from a lineup has actually been found guilty. I wouldn't go as far as saying she had something to do with the kid's death, but this doesn't remotely look right.

I agree that in this particular case, the mom's behavior seems odd. It's troubling.

My comment, however, was directed to your observation that "Pretty much everything points to parents wanting to KEEP their children's belongings." I assure you that this isn't so. Many do...but many don't.
 
I agree that in this particular case, the mom's behavior seems odd. It's troubling.

My comment, however, was directed to your observation that "Pretty much everything points to parents wanting to KEEP their children's belongings." I assure you that this isn't so. Many do...but many don't.

As it stands, just the fact that she's out there near a schoolzone with NOBODY outside when supposedly this is happening at a time when people are getting ready for work, school, taking out the trash, etc feels weird. I know it's the ghetto - I've lived it - rarely ever was there nobody outside. Drunks, crackheads, people trying to get rid of **** - nobody saw a thing? Nobody was outside? Yeah, feels off.
 
Oh I'm not saying the boys are guilty, just the police don't need GSR to hold the two boys.

The PO-lice can discount the Aunt's story if they choose to, they can say a relative isn't the best alibi. But Please don't think I am saying the kids did this.

I agree, and I think the rush to tag a suspect, and appear in the wake of a story gone national, the police have made some serious errors...I am not assuming guilt of innocence of the two boys, but I want to see proof beyond essentially running to the school and yanking out two boys that fit a description and running with it to save their ass from scrutiny.
 
I agree, and I think the rush to tag a suspect, and appear in the wake of a story gone national, the police have made some serious errors...I am not assuming guilt of innocence of the two boys, but I want to see proof beyond essentially running to the school and yanking out two boys that fit a description and running with it to save their ass from scrutiny.

The police say they have good reasons to have arrested Elkins. From the National Post:

[Aunt]"Katrina Freeman said Saturday the shooter can’t be her nephew, Elkins, because he showed up at her house Thursday at 8:15 a.m. — roughly an hour before the killing. She said she cooked eggs, grits and sausage for breakfast and that Elkins accompanied her and her children to run errands when they left at about 11:30 a.m.

“He was with us the whole time,” said Freeman, adding that she gave police the same account of her nephew’s whereabouts. “There is no doubt in my mind that he is innocent.”

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If the family were running errands, won't there be various others who can testify to Elkins being with them?
 
I heard on the news that there was an eyewitness. They didn't elaborate, but said that someone saw it happen, someone crouched down. I will listen more closely tonight and post what is said.
 
The giving away of her baby's belonging in such short order fits a pattern. That's all I'll say...

That quite frankly shocked me. The last thing on earth I'd be doing 2 days after my child was murdered is stuff his possessions into a bag and give them away.

Most parents... and spouses for that matter... suffering such a loss would be holding their loved ones clothing for a scent, a remembrance. It could be months, even years before a grieving parent of widow(er) of a murdered spouse could bear to part with any of their personal items. I remember one story about a murdered wife, when the police came to the house to speak to her husband the day after the murder, her closet and dresser were empty, and all of her personal possessions were gone. His reasoning? "It's not like she needs them, and the extra space will be handy." Guess who was eventually convicted of murdering his wife? lol.

Bah, I don't know anything more than anyone else, but I do know that I do not like this mother, I do not trust her, and the more she performs for the public, the more certain I become that even if she didn't have anything to do with her baby's murder, she's not particularly broken up about it. :(
 
The baby's father was just on the news talking about forgiveness for the two teenagers. He's not shedding a tear, either. Odd, too - the father is a dark skinned Hispanic man, and that baby was blonde with blue eyes. Strange.

Also -- they said that an anonymous tip led to the arrests. Someone saw someone crouched down inside a car, hiding, so they called the police. The police picked the kid up, who turned out to be the 14 year old. After questioning, he gave them the name of the 17 year old.
 
Another thing she said was "When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They’re expensive."

That seems like an odd thing for a grieving mother to say.

Makes me wonder if she is the same Sherry West from the Philadelphia "house of horrors" abortion clinic case. She does kinda resemble her.

In all fairness to the mother, the bolded was something she reportedly said before she was grieving, and before the baby was shot.
 
The baby's father was just on the news talking about forgiveness for the two teenagers. He's not shedding a tear, either. Odd, too - the father is a dark skinned Hispanic man, and that baby was blonde with blue eyes. Strange.

It's more than strange, it's impossible. A brown eyed parent and a blue eyed parent can have children that are brown eyed, green eyed, hazel, grey, etc. ... but never blue.
 
One of the most tragic stories that I've heard in years. I hope the perps get everything they so richly deserve.
 
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