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Police arrest 2 teens in georgia baby's killing



Ok, I am not posting this to be another in the long overplayed line of gun rights bashing threads. So, other than the AP obviously grammar challenged writers, Anyone notice the absolute shoddy police work here? I'd be surprised if these two teens are even indicted....Thoughts?

I don't care that they're teens. If convicted they need a face full of lead themselves.
 
If they are found guilty, they deserve the highest sentence allowable.

That said, this whole story doesn't ring true with me. The only thing that has been consistent is the fact that there is a dead baby, and someone shot the poor little thing. The mother seems... off. If I'd just seen someone slaughter my baby, I wouldn't be giving long, rambling interviews within hours. Everything she said seemed so practiced, so nonsensical (the way she made a big deal of running into a driveway with her baby, after the perps had left instead of screaming for help, for example). She seemed more nervous than griefstricken... then again, people deal with grief differently.

All I know is that when I saw her, my brain whispered "shades of Susan Smith." If the police can't find the murder weapon and tie it to their "suspects", you can color me skeptical about the entire quick-turnaround arrest based on... well, based on nothing that's been made public beyond they fit the descriptions.

Yeah, I'm cynical. I know. But I'll wait and see what happens on this, because I'm not getting the "aha, justice will now be done" vibe.



I'll grant you it's really kind of weird how she keeps saying "my baby" instead of using a name. After seeing the video I can understand why there is some question.
 
You know, that's just a bunch of details that most traumatized parents wouldn't be sharing in an almost enthusiastic manner during a press briefing. I got a really nape-hairs-prickling vibe from her, that's all.

This part bugged me:

West said detectives showed her photographs of about 24 young men. She pointed to one, saying he looked like the gunman.
"After I picked him, they said they had him in custody," West said. "It looked just like him. So I think we got our man."

1. Ridiculous choice of words. "I think we got our man"?
2. "I think" seems like a hedge.
3. Maybe they had him in custody at the time of the crime and haven't let her know they're on to her?

West said she thought the other suspect looked much younger: "That little boy did not look 14."

Sounds like she doesn't want a second (14 year old) kid taking the wrap.
 


I'll grant you it's really kind of weird how she keeps saying "my baby" instead of using a name. After seeing the video I can understand why there is some question.


Thanks for finding that... I suck at Google. :(

Actually, though, it gave me the creeps all over again, the way she was kinda crying, then would suddenly stop to point out the house where she took the baby and give the address, then back to kinda crying...

Bah, I'm suspicious, what can I say? And that Barney Fife police department that immediately scooped up two kids then held a press conference to basically tell the world that their town was really a safe town, blah-blah-blah, more PR, more blah-blah...

I hope those kids are guilty, because I have a gut feeling they're going down for this no matter what.
 
I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.

It doesn't really matter if anybody used a racial slur. You don't shoot a baby in the frickin' face.
 
Thanks for finding that... I suck at Google. :(

Actually, though, it gave me the creeps all over again, the way she was kinda crying, then would suddenly stop to point out the house where she took the baby and give the address, then back to kinda crying...

Bah, I'm suspicious, what can I say? And that Barney Fife police department that immediately scooped up two kids then held a press conference to basically tell the world that their town was really a safe town, blah-blah-blah, more PR, more blah-blah...

I hope those kids are guilty, because I have a gut feeling they're going down for this no matter what.

Kind of looked quite like a susan smith press conference.



This is terrible no matter what way the chips fall.
 
Thanks for finding that... I suck at Google. :(

Actually, though, it gave me the creeps all over again, the way she was kinda crying, then would suddenly stop to point out the house where she took the baby and give the address, then back to kinda crying...

Bah, I'm suspicious, what can I say? And that Barney Fife police department that immediately scooped up two kids then held a press conference to basically tell the world that their town was really a safe town, blah-blah-blah, more PR, more blah-blah...

I hope those kids are guilty, because I have a gut feeling they're going down for this no matter what.

I'm certainly no medical professional (but I did watch a lot of 'Quincy') but I'm pretty sure that an autopsy will show whether the kid was shot at roughly the same time she says he was or not. If the cops grabbed a couple of kids and identified one of them I'm going to have to assume that they are involved in some way but after watching the interview I'm just not too sure what that way is.
 
I'm willing to wait for more investigation. It does seem like too many questions at this point.

Regarding the OP, the cops seem to be doing OK. They have a couple of suspects in custody but still investigating. The fact that suspect walked up to the cops and asked what was going on troubles me some, and daddy lives across the street? I'm sure that the public has only a small part of the info at present.

What I do hope is that this is treated like the murder it is and not turned into some sort of a racial issue either way.
 
Here's what I thought was linguistically peculiar when I read about this shooting several hours ago (and I can't remember where I first read this, but I did Google just now because I read this quote at more than one site): ""The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy."

Two teen boys arrested in shooting death of Georgia infant in stroller | Fox News

Maybe this is poor reporting, but what mom refers to her own kid as "the little boy"?
 
Here's what I thought was linguistically peculiar when I read about this shooting several hours ago (and I can't remember where I first read this, but I did Google just now because I read this quote at more than one site): ""The boy proceeded to go around to the stroller and he shot my baby in the face," she said. "And then he just shoved me when I started screaming and he ran down London Street with the little boy."

Two teen boys arrested in shooting death of Georgia infant in stroller | Fox News

Maybe this is poor reporting, but what mom refers to her own kid as "the little boy"?

In that particular quote she seems to be talking about the younger of the two assailants but in the video interview she did it is as you say and she never mentions her child's name.
 
Early on there were comments about "inconsistencies" in the mother's story. She was just so... into addressing the crush of reporters. She even pulled back her hair and shove her ear toward the nearest camera to show where one of the bullets grazed her (couldn't see so much as a scratch, although camera's aren't exactly HD in the field). She was also shot... in the leg... while the baby was shot square in the face.

Something in her words... I'm paraphrasing somewhat because I can't recall exactly... "They told me to give them money. I said I don't have any money. They reached for my purse. They said they'd kill my baby. I said no, don't kill my baby. Then they shot me and killed my baby." First, though, she went through this detailed description of how she decided to go for a walk because she realized she didn't get out enough, and it would be good for her to get out, and how she was so close to home when it happened (although nobody saw or heard a thing). Also, she said they ran off but didn't mention whether they'd taken her purse or not.

After that she went into great detail about grabbing her baby and looking for a safe place, went into a stranger's driveway (although she was just a few doors from her home) and tried to give cpr, describing how she could see the baby's chest moving, but he wasn't breathing on his own, and then the police came and they did cpr too, but "then we lost him."

You know, that's just a bunch of details that most traumatized parents wouldn't be sharing in an almost enthusiastic manner during a press briefing. I got a really nape-hairs-prickling vibe from her, that's all.

Drug deal gone bad? Kids threaten to shoot the woman, she jumps around to avoid being shot and the shooter hits the baby by mistake. That doesn't change the fact the baby was shot, but it may explain how and mom's less than convincing story.
 
I live here in Brunswick, and I have a couple of things to add.

First of all, the shooting happened one street over from where my daughter used to go to school. It is a terrible school - 9 different buildings with no security, no locks on the doors. 3 SRO officers for 1,800 students. The day I pulled my daughter out of there, a student had been caught with a 9mm. The "student" was 19, and a felon. So I'm not at all surprised that this happened.

That being said - I, too, wondered why she so quickly agreed to an interview. Most "grieving" parents won't give interviews at all, or at least for a very long time. She was on the very next day. Secondly - and this is weird. This is not the first child she has lost. Several years ago, according to her interview, she lost an 18 year old son to violence. According to her story, he was protecting his girlfriend and got stabbed. According to the police file and affadavits in New Jersey, this son, along with 4 other boys, texted a girl to come meet them in an abandoned alley (paraphrasing). It sounded to me like they were going to get this girl alone and have their way with her. Something happened, he pulled a knife, someone else grabbed it and he got stabbed with his own knife.

At first, I was pissed that the News was turning this around, and making her look like a liar. After all, she was a Mom who'd lost two sons. Then I realized that the affadavits sounded like the 5 boys were intentionally tricking this girl into meeting them, so they could gang rape her.

So the Mom lied about that - it is tough to believe whether or not she's telling the truth about this.

I will say, though, that that part of town is terrible. No one goes out there after dark. The news made it sound like Brunswick is this sleepy little coastal seaside town. My side of town, on the other side of the bridge, is quiet and nobody bothers anybody else. But holy cow, you cross the bridge to go into Brunswick, and it's like Beirut in some places. I do all my shopping the next town over.
 
I live here in Brunswick, and I have a couple of things to add.

First of all, the shooting happened one street over from where my daughter used to go to school. It is a terrible school - 9 different buildings with no security, no locks on the doors. 3 SRO officers for 1,800 students. The day I pulled my daughter out of there, a student had been caught with a 9mm. The "student" was 19, and a felon. So I'm not at all surprised that this happened.

That being said - I, too, wondered why she so quickly agreed to an interview. Most "grieving" parents won't give interviews at all, or at least for a very long time. She was on the very next day. Secondly - and this is weird. This is not the first child she has lost. Several years ago, according to her interview, she lost an 18 year old son to violence. According to her story, he was protecting his girlfriend and got stabbed. According to the police file and affadavits in New Jersey, this son, along with 4 other boys, texted a girl to come meet them in an abandoned alley (paraphrasing). It sounded to me like they were going to get this girl alone and have their way with her. Something happened, he pulled a knife, someone else grabbed it and he got stabbed with his own knife.

At first, I was pissed that the News was turning this around, and making her look like a liar. After all, she was a Mom who'd lost two sons. Then I realized that the affadavits sounded like the 5 boys were intentionally tricking this girl into meeting them, so they could gang rape her.

So the Mom lied about that - it is tough to believe whether or not she's telling the truth about this.

I will say, though, that that part of town is terrible. No one goes out there after dark. The news made it sound like Brunswick is this sleepy little coastal seaside town. My side of town, on the other side of the bridge, is quiet and nobody bothers anybody else. But holy cow, you cross the bridge to go into Brunswick, and it's like Beirut in some places. I do all my shopping the next town over.


well, tbf, I probably wouldnt advertise the fact that my dead son dies while trying to seemingly commit gang rape. Not to mention the real possibility that she could actually believe the above story, being that would be a pretty hard thing to accept about your child, let alone a dead one
 
Personally, I hope they get punished to the full extent of the law, if they are tried and found guilty. Little scumbags.

I generally don't support the death penalty, however in cases like this I believe it should be implemented.

The sick bastard (or some sick bastard) shot a baby in the face because the mother didn't have any money.
 
I live here in Brunswick, and I have a couple of things to add.

First of all, the shooting happened one street over from where my daughter used to go to school. It is a terrible school - 9 different buildings with no security, no locks on the doors. 3 SRO officers for 1,800 students. The day I pulled my daughter out of there, a student had been caught with a 9mm. The "student" was 19, and a felon. So I'm not at all surprised that this happened.

That being said - I, too, wondered why she so quickly agreed to an interview. Most "grieving" parents won't give interviews at all, or at least for a very long time. She was on the very next day. Secondly - and this is weird. This is not the first child she has lost. Several years ago, according to her interview, she lost an 18 year old son to violence. According to her story, he was protecting his girlfriend and got stabbed. According to the police file and affadavits in New Jersey, this son, along with 4 other boys, texted a girl to come meet them in an abandoned alley (paraphrasing). It sounded to me like they were going to get this girl alone and have their way with her. Something happened, he pulled a knife, someone else grabbed it and he got stabbed with his own knife.

At first, I was pissed that the News was turning this around, and making her look like a liar. After all, she was a Mom who'd lost two sons. Then I realized that the affadavits sounded like the 5 boys were intentionally tricking this girl into meeting them, so they could gang rape her.

So the Mom lied about that - it is tough to believe whether or not she's telling the truth about this.

I will say, though, that that part of town is terrible. No one goes out there after dark. The news made it sound like Brunswick is this sleepy little coastal seaside town. My side of town, on the other side of the bridge, is quiet and nobody bothers anybody else. But holy cow, you cross the bridge to go into Brunswick, and it's like Beirut in some places. I do all my shopping the next town over.

Maybe she has Münchausen syndrome by proxy.

Münchausen syndrome by proxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
No, this isn't Munchausen by proxy. It's definitely a wrong place/wrong time tragedy, though, especially for the toddler who died.
 
I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.

When they kill these scum eating rodents for this racially motivated slaughter of a white 13 month old I pray to witness the execution.
 
No, this isn't Munchausen by proxy. It's definitely a wrong place/wrong time tragedy, though, especially for the toddler who died.

How do you know?

One poster who claimed they were from that area said she was already on the news and giving interviews before the poor baby was even cold...

This type of stuff has happened before - hence the diagnosis Munchhausen by proxy.

I'm not saying the woman suffers from it but her actions are questionable.

If my kid got shot in the face I would want nothing to do with the media.
 
When they kill these scum eating rodents for this racially motivated slaughter of a white 13 month old I pray to witness the execution.

That's what I was thinking - that it was a racial thing.... What type of person shoots a baby in the face? even your most hardened robber or killer would never shoot a baby...
 
Jesus. What a pair of psychopaths. I'm glad the suspected shooter is being tried as an adult at least.

I've been to Brunswick a few times. It's a completely bigoted, backwards town. It wouldn't surprise me at all if racial slurs were used which provoked the attack. Let's allow the facts to come to light before we rally the lynch mobs here.

I don't give a ****. I don't give a **** is the woman was jumping up and down screaming every racial profanity she could think of and finished it off with "heil Hitler." That is not a good excuse to kill someone. Especially not someone else who couldn't possibly have been involved in whatever theoretical altercation took place.
 
How do you know?

One poster who claimed they were from that area said she was already on the news and giving interviews before the poor baby was even cold...

This type of stuff has happened before - hence the diagnosis Munchhausen by proxy.

I'm not saying the woman suffers from it but her actions are questionable.

If my kid got shot in the face I would want nothing to do with the media.

In Munchausen by proxy, there is a pattern. The first son died in 2008; this son died five years later. No pattern. You don't understand this syndrome.

And how do I know that the baby was in the wrong place at the wrong time? He's DEAD.
 
If they are found guilty, they deserve the highest sentence allowable.

That said, this whole story doesn't ring true with me. The only thing that has been consistent is the fact that there is a dead baby, and someone shot the poor little thing. The mother seems... off. If I'd just seen someone slaughter my baby, I wouldn't be giving long, rambling interviews within hours. Everything she said seemed so practiced, so nonsensical (the way she made a big deal of running into a driveway with her baby, after the perps had left instead of screaming for help, for example). She seemed more nervous than griefstricken... then again, people deal with grief differently.

All I know is that when I saw her, my brain whispered "shades of Susan Smith." If the police can't find the murder weapon and tie it to their "suspects", you can color me skeptical about the entire quick-turnaround arrest based on... well, based on nothing that's been made public beyond they fit the descriptions.

Yeah, I'm cynical. I know. But I'll wait and see what happens on this, because I'm not getting the "aha, justice will now be done" vibe.
My thoughts exactly. Some of the things she said just don't seem right. For instance, she said that after she got shot in the leg with a handgun, her leg went numb and since the gun was so small she thought it was a bb gun.

How could anyone think it was a bb gun? Even a .22 is a hell of a lot louder than a bb gun!

And another thing, she was talking in a crying tone of voice, but there was no tears. That's a bit suspicious too.
 
In Munchausen by proxy, there is a pattern. The first son died in 2008; this son died five years later. No pattern. You don't understand this syndrome.

And how do I know that the baby was in the wrong place at the wrong time? He's DEAD.

Exactly what I was thinking!! Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome seems very logical for her.

She seemed to have a very rehearsed story.
 
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