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New Hampshire House Votes To Prohibit Private Prisons

Hatuey said:
What does that have to do with the government taking financial responsibility for the laws it creates!?!?! If somebody breaks the law, it doesn't give the government the green light to pass them off to a private company for campaign contributions in the future.
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It has everything to do with citizens taking personal responsibility for the laws they break. If they don't like prison life, don't break the law.
 
apdst said:
It has everything to do with citizens taking personal responsibility for the laws they break. If they don't like prison life, don't break the law.
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You break the law everyday and you just don't know it...

Saying:"If they don't like prison life, don't break the law" is pretty snooty in my opinion.

Do you have any idea how many laws there are?
 
apdst said:
It has everything to do with citizens taking personal responsibility for the laws they break. If they don't like prison life, don't break the law.
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If the government doesn't want to pay for prisoners, it shouldn't make up so many victimless crimes. :shrug:
 
Mr.Nick said:
You break the law everyday and you just don't know it...

Saying:"If they don't like prison life, don't break the law" is pretty snooty in my opinion.

Do you have any idea how many laws there are?
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Obviously, we're talking about felonies.
 
Hatuey said:
If the government doesn't want to pay for prisoners, it shouldn't make up so many victimless crimes. :shrug:
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Ask the Libbo pards that you insist on voting for.
 
apdst said:
Ask the Libbo pards that you insist on voting for.
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I didn't know the War on Drugs was a liberal invention. Could have sworn it was started by a right wing commie hater like Nixon. ;)
 
apdst said:
It has everything to do with citizens taking personal responsibility for the laws they break. If they don't like prison life, don't break the law.
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The fact that criminals exist is completely irrelevant to the State being responsible for creating basic living standards in prison.

Please give reasons why you think the State should be not responsible for maintaining the welfare of the prisoners in its custody, and that it's okay to pass the buck to a private corporation.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I don't know what a private prison is. Not to mention prison is not about "rehabilitation" it's about punishment and paying your debt to society.
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No it is not. If you want a better society and not one where you imprision as much as we do for no apparent gains... you work through rehabilitation. If you want a punishment system, congrats... you got it and you got a nation who puts more of its population in prison than any other nation on earth.
 
poweRob said:
No it is not. If you want a better society and not one where you imprision as much as we do for no apparent gains... you work through rehabilitation. If you want a punishment system, congrats... you got it and you got a nation who puts more of its population in prison than any other nation on earth.
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Stats strongly suggest that the public system isn't working.Prisoners per capita statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster

Can a State government really prohibit a private legal business? Seems to be too much power.
 
Grant said:
Stats strongly suggest that the public system isn't working.Prisoners per capita statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster

Can a State government really prohibit a private legal business? Seems to be too much power.
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Private prisons are publicly funded and cost the state more than public prisons to run as well as being less effective.

Even with that... they still fudge stats to make them look better than they actually are:

The research, by the Arizona Department of Corrections, also reveals a murky aspect of private prisons that helps them appear less expensive: They often house only relatively healthy inmates.

“It’s cherry-picking,” said State Representative Chad Campbell, leader of the House Democrats. “They leave the most expensive prisoners with taxpayers and take the easy prisoners.”

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Hatuey said:
I didn't know the War on Drugs was a liberal invention. Could have sworn it was started by a right wing commie hater like Nixon. ;)
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Is this thread about prisons, or about drug laws?
 
Northern Light said:
The fact that criminals exist is completely irrelevant to the State being responsible for creating basic living standards in prison.

Please give reasons why you think the State should be not responsible for maintaining the welfare of the prisoners in its custody, and that it's okay to pass the buck to a private corporation.
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I never said they shouldn't. But hey, I didn't expect the Libbos to actually discuss my comments, only invent their own interpretation.
 
poweRob said:
Major kudos to the New Hampshire House. Hopefully this will push through the rest of the state government and then go viral to other states.


House votes to prohibit prison privatization, bill moves to Senate for review

The House on Thursday voted to forbid the executive branch from privatizing the state prison system, saying that to do so would shirk the state’s constitutional responsibility to rehabilitate inmates.

The 197-136 roll call by the Democratic -controlled House sent House Bill 443 to the Senate, where Republicans hold a slim, 13-11 majority and the bill’s fate is uncertain, at best.​
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Thank heaven. All private prisons do is warehouse them and put them in isolation which creates madness and then releases them to the public. Course, they take three times the monies to house prisoners as state prisons use to rehabilitate them with job trades and paying them a fair wage so they have money when they leave. They also get to complete high school and possibly take some courses toward a college degree.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Thank heaven. All private prisons do is warehouse them and put them in isolation which creates madness and then releases them to the public. Course, they take three times the monies to house prisoners as state prisons use to rehabilitate them with job trades and paying them a fair wage so they have money when they leave. They also get to complete high school and possibly take some courses toward a college degree.
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That should end immediately.
 
apdst said:
That should end immediately.
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You are in the wrong country. If you want free prison labor there are many other countries for you.
 
apdst said:
That should end immediately.
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Because? You don't think the prisons need a dishwasher? Cooks for their meals? Gardeners for their grounds? Woodworking shops to repair their equipment? A mechanic shop to repair state vehicles?
 
Muddy Creek said:
Because? You don't think the prisons need a dishwasher? Cooks for their meals? Gardeners for their grounds? Woodworking shops to repair their equipment? A mechanic shop to repair state vehicles?
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I don't think they should get paid, unless of course the prison is producing goods and turns a profit. At that point, I could see the prisoners getting a share of the profits, to be put into a savings account accesible after their release.
 
apdst said:
I don't think they should get paid, unless of course the prison is producing goods and turns a profit. At that point, I could see the prisoners getting a share of the profits, to be put into a savings account accesible after their release.
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Well their labor without profit could reduce prison costs because they don't have to buy in or outsource for the materials they are making in prison for themselves.
 
apdst said:
I don't think they should get paid, unless of course the prison is producing goods and turns a profit. At that point, I could see the prisoners getting a share of the profits, to be put into a savings account accesible after their release.
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I think they would have to pay outsiders to do the work inside the prison so use that budget to pay the prisoners. It's of course only for those model prisoners who are not violent. Nothing wrong with letting a guy trying to do his time improving himself to leave with some money to get back into society and to have a trade to go for, as well.
 
poweRob said:
Well their labor without profit could reduce prison costs because they don't have to buy in or outsource for the materials they are making in prison for themselves.
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No profit means no payroll for the prisoners. Period.
 
Muddy Creek said:
I think they would have to pay outsiders to do the work inside the prison so use that budget to pay the prisoners. It's of course only for those model prisoners who are not violent. Nothing wrong with letting a guy trying to do his time improving himself to leave with some money to get back into society and to have a trade to go for, as well.
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Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
 
apdst said:
No profit means no payroll for the prisoners. Period.
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Your prisions would be crazy expensive with all those private contractors doing for the prisoners what they could be doing for themselves.
 
apdst said:
Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
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And being locked up isn't payment enough? Nah, the guys need to earn money so that when they are released, they aren't easy prey for crime again to get some cash.
 
apdst said:
Nothing wrong with letting a guy learn a trade. I just don't think he should get paid for it. Afterall, the prisoners are the ones that owe a debt to society.
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IMO, that "debt" is to come out of prison a more productive and less criminal person than what you were when you went in.
 
poweRob said:
IMO, that "debt" is to come out of prison a more productive and less criminal person than what you were when you went in.
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And that's fine, but I don't think they should get paid.
 
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