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Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status

Just another matter where I disagree with Paul.
 
rocket88 said:
Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.
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the mediots will make a point to try to hurt him, and it will likely work to a great extent.

People like Rachel Maddow will continue to try to paint him as a racist, war mongering homophobe, and sure, it will work to some degree as well.

Meanwhile, his actions will eventually sour the Navy Pride types of the conservative wing.

But I think his base will only expand as they see through the mediot bias.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Meanwhile, corporations can still hire them below minimum wage, keeping jobs from Americans and letting the "almost illegals" know they could be deported for NOT working at slave wages. Yeah, that explanation helps put it in the Rand perspective. Anti-American workers.
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More BS, not backed up by any links as usual.
 
rocket88 said:
Don't get me wrong, I applaud his choice to take a principled stand. I just think that it'll hurt him with people otherwise sympathetic to him.
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principled stand? rand paul? no way
he merely sees that the hispanic vote is a barrier to the GOP winning national office going forward

but you could always share with us the principle rand paul is is standing on
i would truly delight in reading it
 
justabubba said:
principled stand? rand paul? no way
he merely sees that the hispanic vote is a barrier to the GOP winning national office going forward

but you could always share with us the principle rand paul is is standing on
i would truly delight in reading it
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I truly believe Rand shares my view that anybody that wants to come here, follow our laws, and be a productive member of society should be welcomed to do so.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
More BS, not backed up by any links as usual.
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How do you think NOT legalizing illegal immigrants will change the practices of what has been known by corporations in this nation?

USATODAY.com - Illegal workers found at La. base

Federal officials are investigating how at least 10 undocumented immigrants performed hurricane reconstruction work at a naval base near New Orleans. (Related story: Cities tackle day labor dilemma)

Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback said Sunday that the agency was asked to come to Belle Chasse Naval Air Station on Thursday by base officials. Zuieback said 10 workers were found who were not authorized to work in the United States. They were denied base access, and the agency is investigating "the circumstance surrounding their employment," she said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/us/27immig.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Published: July 27, 2008



POSTVILLE, Iowa — When federal immigration agents raided the kosher meatpacking plant here in May and rounded up 389 illegal immigrants, they found more than 20 under-age workers, some as young as 13.


Now those young immigrants have begun to tell investigators about their jobs. Some said they worked shifts of 12 hours or more, wielding razor-edged knives and saws to slice freshly killed beef. Some worked through the night, sometimes six nights a week.
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The President has deported more illegals than Bush ever did.

BTW, the above quotes are from 2005 and 2007. Seems the number of jobs has gone down with the increase of deportation by The President.
 
ARealConservative said:
I truly believe Rand shares my view that anybody that wants to come here, follow our laws, and be a productive member of society should be welcomed to do so.
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that follow our laws part. undocumented aliens violated our laws when they entered illegally. so now you and rand paul are wanting to reward them for their illegal acts by encouraging more of them to come in and work the jobs (at a discount) that would otherwise be performed by American citizens. what patriots you two are
 
Muddy Creek said:
How do you think NOT legalizing illegal immigrants will change the practices of what has been known by corporations in this nation?

USATODAY.com - Illegal workers found at La. base



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/us/27immig.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



The President has deported more illegals than Bush ever did.

BTW, the above quotes are from 2005 and 2007. Seems the number of jobs has gone down with the increase of deportation by The President.
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The second example, only, mentions labor law (pay and age) violations. Are you asserting that this would be fine if the workers had simply been US citizens? Obviously this is still going on under Obama, as we have an estimated 11 million illegal aliens still here. This practice has not magically ceased under Obama.

Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

Cases Target Illegal Labor - WSJ.com
 
justabubba said:
that follow our laws part. undocumented aliens violated our laws when they entered illegally. so now you and rand paul are wanting to reward them for their illegal acts by encouraging more of them to come in and work the jobs (at a discount) that would otherwise be performed by American citizens. what patriots you two are
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I understand your concerns. I don't share them, but I do understand them.
 
ARealConservative said:
I truly believe Rand shares my view that anybody that wants to come here, follow our laws, and be a productive member of society should be welcomed to do so.
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That's what I think he's probably doing too. He's a guy that does what he thinks is right. To be honest, this is the second thing he's done recently that I like (I liked his filibuster, or at least the issue behind it). I may have to change my opinion of him.
 
Cyrylek said:
You may accuse me of necrophilia, but, under the combined impression of the drone saga and this little episode, I am perfectly ready to write a check for his re-election coffers. And so are many, VERY many libertarians, moderates, independents and frustrated traditional Republicans, all over the country.
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You say that, but you will ALWAYS vote for the Liberal Democrat. No point lying about it.
 
Ray410 said:
You say that, but you will ALWAYS vote for the Liberal Democrat. No point lying about it.
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once your debate is positioned around whether the person you are debating means what he says, you lose.

nu uhh. uh huh. ad infinitum
 
rocket88 said:
That's what I think he's probably doing too. He's a guy that does what he thinks is right. To be honest, this is the second thing he's done recently that I like (I liked his filibuster, or at least the issue behind it). I may have to change my opinion of him.
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don't get to carried away. He is a politician too. I imagine some polls were conducted telling him that it was OK to embrace his views.

He has learned a great deal from his 1964 civil rights statement debacle.
 
Ray410 said:
You say that, but you will ALWAYS vote for the Liberal Democrat. No point lying about it.
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I had voted for a Democrat exactly once in my whole life: her only opposition in the race for a city council seat was a loony Green who would strip half naked and bodily prevent the veterinary service people from 'bothering' the nesting Canada geese on the banks of the Charles River. That was, like, fifteen years ago.
 
ARealConservative said:
once your debate is positioned around whether the person you are debating means what he says, you lose.

nu uhh. uh huh. ad infinitum
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That is incorrect.

Always remember that, when debating, you are NEVER going to change the mind of the person you are debating, your comments should ALWAYS be directed toward the education and edification of the audience, whatever it is. Your opponent is NEVER going to change his position, whether he believes it or not and on forums such as this, the Liberals are never going to tell you the truth about their agenda.

No charge.
 
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Ray410 said:
That is incorrect.

When debating, and you can share this with the rest of the sophomores, you are NEVER going to change the mind of the person you are debating, your comments should ALWAYS be directed toward the education and edification of the audience, whatever it is.

No charge.
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so your audience is who exactly? children? maybe you should throw a few pants on fire lines to truly hit it home with your intended audience. Maybe an "i'm butter, your glue" line to really knock it out of the park.
 
Cyrylek said:
I had voted for a Democrat exactly once in my whole life: her only opposition in the race for a city council seat was a loony Green who would strip half naked and bodily prevent the veterinary service people from 'bothering' the nesting Canada geese on the banks of the Charles River. That was, like, fifteen years ago.
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How hot was this "loony Green?" If hot, my only objection would be if she only stripped half naked :mrgreen:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What is going on in the Republican party!?!
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Well, if you are unfamiliar with Rand you should know he is the son of Ron Paul. Neither are known for towing the party line. I think its refreshing to see a Republican approach this issue rationally.
 
rocket88 said:
How hot was this "loony Green?" If hot, my only objection would be if she only stripped half naked :mrgreen:
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Well, I had voted against HIM - in all his fifty-ish, seriously overweight, radically undergroomed glory (Cambridge, MA is somethinh special, in every way, I'm tellin' ya....)

Oops.

I know how it works: a minute or two after being accused of harboring a secret left-wing agenda, I will be labeled as a homophobe and ...eh...bird-hater, perhaps?
 
Didn't Reagan give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants in the 80s?

WAS HE A RINO TOO !?!?
 
StringBean said:
Didn't Reagan give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants in the 80s?

WAS HE A RINO TOO !?!?
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No, Reagan made the mistake of thinking the Liberal Congress would uphold their concurrent promise to secure the border if he gave the illegals amnesty. He did, they didn't, which is why we are now overrun with Mexicans.

Additionally, in the election immediately after Reagan provided amnesty, less Hispanics voted for Reagan than before amnesty. This is important to illustrate that amnesty will NOT get Mexican votes. They are lifetime dependents who believe in the largess of big government over self actualization.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status - The Washington Post

What is going on in the Republican party!?! I feel like this is going to divide the party even more. Cant wait to see what happens from here.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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I'm sick of the pandering in politics...

Illegal aliens should be deported. If they want to be US citizens then they can get in line. Oh yeah I forgot, the majority of illegal aliens use the US for monetary gain - they could give a rats ass about anything other than that. The US to them is a convenient source of income. Most aren't here for freedom or liberty - at least not the ones from Mexico - they're here to make money and their allegiance is to Mexico - that's why they fly the Mexican flag. They don't care this is a honey hole to them.

Obviously there are plenty of illegals here who came from horrible places and are here for safety, opportunity and freedom. However those same people WANT to be US citizens and WANT to live the "American dream" (which is incorrect language considering everyone in North or South America is an "American")....

It also chaps my ass that there are a ton of people waiting in line to come to the US and want to do it the legal way while others just cut in line and they get sympathy for that?

If we're just going to give citizenship to a bunch of line-cutting illegal clowns than what is the point of going through the normal procedure??? symbolic patriotism?

So basically if an illegal wants to use the US for money that is perfectly fine, but if you're immigrating to the US for US patriotic reasons and you respect our laws you get screwed...

Can't say I'm shocked...

Oh but I forgot illegals can vote so they need to be pandered to for their votes..

What a ****ing system we have.
 
Ray410 said:
No, Reagan made the mistake of thinking the Liberal Congress would uphold their concurrent promise to secure the border if he gave the illegals amnesty. He did, they didn't, which is why we are now overrun with Mexicans.

Additionally, in the election immediately after Reagan provided amnesty, less Hispanics voted for Reagan than before amnesty. This is important to illustrate that amnesty will NOT get Mexican votes. They are lifetime dependents who believe in the largess of big government over self actualization.
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Amnesty is amnesty. Reagan was a RINO.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I'm sick of the pandering in politics...

Illegal aliens should be deported. If they want to be US citizens then they can get in line. Oh yeah I forgot, the majority of illegal aliens use the US for monetary gain - they could give a rats ass about anything other than that. The US to them is a convenient source of income. Most aren't here for freedom or liberty - at least not the ones from Mexico - they're here to make money and their allegiance is to Mexico - that's why they fly the Mexican flag. They don't care this is a honey hole to them.

Obviously there are plenty of illegals here who came from horrible places and are here for safety, opportunity and freedom. However those same people WANT to be US citizens and WANT to live the "American dream" (which is incorrect language considering everyone in North or South America is an "American")....

It also chaps my ass that there are a ton of people waiting in line to come to the US and want to do it the legal way while others just cut in line and they get sympathy for that?

If we're just going to give citizenship to a bunch of line-cutting illegal clowns than what is the point of going through the normal procedure??? symbolic patriotism?

So basically if an illegal wants to use the US for money that is perfectly fine, but if you're immigrating to the US for US patriotic reasons and you respect our laws you get screwed...

Can't say I'm shocked...

Oh but I forgot illegals can vote so they need to be pandered to for their votes..

What a ****ing system we have.
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AMEN !! Thank you !!:applaud
 
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