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Food-stamp use doubles

AlabamaPaul said:
I have a house that needs to be cleaned and a yard that needs to be cut.
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Irrelevant.

We cannot find dependable people to do either, and we pay very well, so we are currently utilizing commercial firms when we'd prefer to hire unemployed individuals.
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Irrelevant.

If someone wants to work, they will find a job...
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You just keep chanting that mantra, I'm sure if you say it long enough it will come true!

Meanwhile, in the real world, there are millions out of work who attest to the ridiculousness of what you're saying.
 
I love it. The people who cheer the loudest for the state are the ones who contribute the least to it.

You can almost hear the tin cup rattle when he posts.
 
babilfish said:
Irrelevant.



Irrelevant.



You just keep chanting that mantra, I'm sure if you say it long enough it will come true!

Meanwhile, in the real world, there are millions out of work who attest to the ridiculousness of what you're saying.
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Listen dick, I wasn't always able to afford these. I always managed to find a job when necessary though. Did I like them all? No, but everyone needs to do what is required to support themselves...
 
babilfish said:
I would term offering food to someone on a stretch of bad luck so that they don't starve benevolence.

And since it is government that is doing this act I don't really see anything wrong with it, no.
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Do you believe that when you work with the government you get something for nothing and that no one else has to give up anything for you to have it?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Listen dick, I wasn't always able to afford these. I always managed to find a job when necessary though. Did I like them all? No, but everyone needs to do what is required to support themselves...
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Now don't take this as me not being touched by your little personal anecdote...

But it's irrelevant.

I really have to wonder, are you jerking my chain? Seriously, no rational adult can honestly believe that there is or always will be work for any and every citizen, and that upon that basis all men and women without work at any given time are just lazy welfare leeches.
 
Henrin said:
Do you believe that when you work with the government you get something for nothing and that no one else has to give up anything for you to have it?
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...Do I care?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Listen dick, I wasn't always able to afford these. I always managed to find a job when necessary though. Did I like them all? No, but everyone needs to do what is required to support themselves...
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Watch it. He's baiting you. Avoid the line.

His viewpoint isn't worthy of acknowledgment. He's one of those guys who likes to hide behind government and commit legal theft in an attempt to force politicians to play Robin Hood on his behalf.
 
babilfish said:
...Do I care?
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You don't care of what you have to give in exchange or what you ask others to give up in exchange for you to have something? I can't say I didn't see that coming, but its still disappointing to see you admit it.
 
Henrin said:
You don't care of what you have to give in exchange or what you ask others to give up in exchange for you to have something?
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Depends on whether they can afford it and what use it's being put to.

Of course, it's never as simple as "OMG, you robbed Peter!!!"
 
AlabamaPaul said:
If one cannot provide for the most basic of needs for his/her self, yes, that is a failure, and the government supports that failure by providing it for him/her...
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Given all the foreign aid, corporate subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts we provide...food stamps seem maybe like they are on the bottom of the list of things to cut first.
 
babilfish said:
Now don't take this as me not being touched by your little personal anecdote...

But it's irrelevant.

I really have to wonder, are you jerking my chain? Seriously, no rational adult can honestly believe that there is or always will be work for any and every citizen, and that upon that basis all men and women without work at any given time are just lazy welfare leeches.
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I'm telling you that if someone wants a job they can find one, but we have created an environment in this country where it is expected the government provide the basics if a person chooses not to do so for themselves. Self interest is the most powerful of human instincts, and if this interest i satisfactorily provided by someone else, why better one's self? The government has managed to destroy this in many through its "benevolence"...
 
Ikari said:
Given all the foreign aid, corporate subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts we provide...food stamps seem maybe like they are on the bottom of the list of things to cut first.
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$80B/year is not a small amount...
 
babilfish said:
Depends on whether they can afford it and what use it's being put to.

Of course, it's never as simple as "OMG, you robbed Peter!!!"
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I'm afraid it is that simple. You can't very well be benevolent when you act in such a fashion.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
$80B/year is not a small amount...
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Sure ain't, but add up corporate welfare, subsidies, and bailouts and let me know which number is bigger.
 
Ikari said:
Sure ain't, but add up corporate welfare, subsidies, and bailouts and let me know which number is bigger.
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I didn't agree with any of the bailouts, and I'm really tired of the corporate welfare crap when, if we weren't taxing those providing employment for US citizens, it wouldn't exist...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm telling you that if someone wants a job they can find one,
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Oh, I heard you alright.

And you had all of your personal little anecdote about your yard and your house to back up that point.

but we have created an environment in this country where it is expected the government provide the basics if a person chooses not to do so for themselves.
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Yup, that's what food stamps are for. All $200 of them.

Self interest is the most powerful of human instincts,
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Exactly, which is why it's in one's interest to get food stamps when they can't find work.

Of course, it's also in society's interest too.

and if this interest i satisfactorily provided by someone else, why better one's self?
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...To get off of food stamps, and to have more "things" in life? A bigger house? Two cars? Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3?

The government has managed to destroy this in many through its "benevolence"...
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Not quite, as despite the increase in the number of people on food stamps, the number of people looking for work is till pretty damn high.

Almost as if the food stamps aren't a detriment at all. Damn that evil government, keeping people alive when it should be letting them die in the street.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm telling you that if someone wants a job they can find one, but we have created an environment in this country where it is expected the government provide the basics if a person chooses not to do so for themselves. Self interest is the most powerful of human instincts, and if this interest i satisfactorily provided by someone else, why better one's self? The government has managed to destroy this in many through its "benevolence"...
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The problem, to me, is that it's circular and expansionary. You provide free money to losers, which causes more people to want to become losers, which causes the government to steal from winners to support more losers, which causes more winners to become losers, which causes more money to be taken from winners.

It's the same reason behind why socialism and communism fail every time out of the gate. Let's say you have a farm with 100 workers each farming 100 units of something. One person decides to quit. Now, you went from 10,000 units to 9,900 units. Split evenly amongst everyone (including the one who refuses to work), everyone's return went from 100 to 99 units. Think about that. Someone foregoes 100% of work and loses 1% of output. That is why socialism fails, and that's why guys like babil prop this system up. He wants to quit working and trade 100% of labor for 1% of return.
 
Henrin said:
I'm afraid it is that simple.
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You'd have to be awful simple-minded to think that.

I bet you don't think of yourself as simple-minded, and I don't want to either. So don't think like that.

You can't very well be benevolent when you act in such a fashion.
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But you can, I just explained how it's a benevolent act.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Hearing is different than listening. Try comprehending at some stage in your life...
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Great rebuttal. Will have to do it again sometime, maybe when you have an argument that's actually defensible and not ridiculous conservative rhetoric.
 
Ikari said:
Given all the foreign aid, corporate subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts we provide...food stamps seem maybe like they are on the bottom of the list of things to cut first.
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Not if that costs you campaign cash. ;)
 
babilfish said:
Depends on whether they can afford it and what use it's being put to.

Of course, it's never as simple as "OMG, you robbed Peter!!!"
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Especially not when given (by yourself) the option to borrow or print the funds. ;)

What is largely ignored is that 40% of what the federal gov't now spends on Peter is beyond what they dare ask of Paul.
 
babilfish said:
You'd have to be awful simple-minded to think that.

I bet you don't think of yourself as simple-minded, and I don't want to either. So don't think like that

But you can, I just explained how it's a benevolent act.
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You seem to wish to ignore how the party is behaving to reach an end you find desirable all so you can believe you are dealing with benevolence. I'm sorry, but when you must abuse someone in order to help someone else that is not benevolence. You can not simply ignore the equation so you can declare the ends a good.
 
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