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Food-stamp use doubles

Dittohead not! said:
Well, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Even though you didn't pay for it.:lol:
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I know a lot of people who are on food stamps, but I don't know any people who did not pay taxes to pay for the food stamp program.

I think the welfare queen driving around in her Cadillac who never worked a day in her life is mostly a myth.
 
Muhammed said:
I know a lot of people who are on food stamps, but I don't know any people who did not pay taxes to pay for the food stamp program.

I think the welfare queen driving around in her Cadillac who never worked a day in her life is mostly a myth.
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Yes, that's mostly a myth.
and the food stamp program specifically is more of a subsidy for agriculture and the rest of the food industry than anything else.

but to say that either the growers, wholesalers, retailers, and consumers are entitled to it because they've paid taxes is a bit of a stretch.

Social Security/Medicare are entitlements, as recipients are entitled to get something back for their payroll taxes.

The rest of the trillion dollar means tested welfare is another matter. Not that it's all bad, you understand, but it's not an entitlement nor is it something we can afford much longer.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Right.

And while we're at it, let's take a look at those subsidies that no one is really "entitled" to, and perhaps the giveaways to foreign nations as well.
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Well, lay out what subsidies you are talking about. As for giveaways to foreign nations, I am right there with ya on that one. But, the only problem is that we are constantly told that those are a drop in the bucket....However, I do love how Obama just had to tell kids from Kansas or where ever, that no white house tours could take place, but magically found some $250 million dollars to give to Egypt, a country that has a leader who as of late has been standing with radicals in his country chanting "death to America, and Israel"....
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, that's mostly a myth.
and the food stamp program specifically is more of a subsidy for agriculture and the rest of the food industry than anything else.

but to say that either the growers, wholesalers, retailers, and consumers are entitled to it because they've paid taxes is a bit of a stretch.

Social Security/Medicare are entitlements, as recipients are entitled to get something back for their payroll taxes.

The rest of the trillion dollar means tested welfare is another matter. Not that it's all bad, you understand, but it's not an entitlement nor is it something we can afford much longer.
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I have no problem with what you are saying, just have the government be so kind as to give me back everything I have paid into SS, and Medicare, and I'll say fine do away with it.
 
j-mac said:
I have no problem with what you are saying, just have the government be so kind as to give me back everything I have paid into SS, and Medicare, and I'll say fine do away with it.
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I'm not saying we should do away with SS and Medicare. You have paid into it, and are entitled to it. I'm saying that the means tested welfare that we didn't pay into is not an entitlement.
 
j-mac said:
Well, lay out what subsidies you are talking about. As for giveaways to foreign nations, I am right there with ya on that one. But, the only problem is that we are constantly told that those are a drop in the bucket....However, I do love how Obama just had to tell kids from Kansas or where ever, that no white house tours could take place, but magically found some $250 million dollars to give to Egypt, a country that has a leader who as of late has been standing with radicals in his country chanting "death to America, and Israel"....
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Yes, and a few F 16s as well as a gift of money from the US taxpayer. You'd be hard pressed to find any country that hasn't received a gift from Uncle Sam, including a lot of nations that are not exactly friendly to the west.

As for those subsidies, I've already mentioned food stamps as a subsidy to food producers. Then, there's agricultural subsidies of all sorts, including payment for not growing one thing or another, water projects that provide below cost irrigation, the bailouts of GM and of the "too big to fail" banks, a whole long list of money that has been paid out mostly to wealthy donors to political campaigns. I read that they finally did do away with that ethanol subsidy, though.
 
j-mac said:
What a failure progressive policy is....



Just remember who to blame when this all collapses....
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And this is one of the main reasons why the cons will continue to lose elections. Just look at the disdain that they have for people that are poor.
 
madman said:
And this is one of the main reasons why the cons will continue to lose elections. Just look at the disdain that they have for people that are poor.
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It might produce better results to understand why people accept poverty as a way of life...
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, and a few F 16s as well as a gift of money from the US taxpayer. You'd be hard pressed to find any country that hasn't received a gift from Uncle Sam, including a lot of nations that are not exactly friendly to the west.
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No doubt, Like Obama's $90 million to Hamas in 2009.

As for those subsidies, I've already mentioned food stamps as a subsidy to food producers. Then, there's agricultural subsidies of all sorts, including payment for not growing one thing or another, water projects that provide below cost irrigation...
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I agree, but tell me what you think that would do to the cost of food in this day and age?

the bailouts of GM and of the "too big to fail" banks, a whole long list of money that has been paid out mostly to wealthy donors to political campaigns.
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Again I agree, I don't think you'll find one conservative that believes that bailing out GM or the banks was a wise thing to do. As for donors, that was the stimulus I believe...Much of that was questionable as to the legality of it, but with a politicized AG, nothing happens.... Precedents are set. Thanks Progressives.

I read that they finally did do away with that ethanol subsidy, though.
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Yes, and instead we are flushing 10 times the amounts down the drain on so called 'green energy' as payoffs to Obama supporters so that their company goes belly up a year later.
 
madman said:
And this is one of the main reasons why the cons will continue to lose elections. Just look at the disdain that they have for people that are poor.
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I don't think it's a disdain for the poor that causes them to continually loose national elections. It's a total and complete lack of understanding as to what causes someone to be poor, and the challenges that face anyone trying to get out of poverty. The impression I have always gotten from people born into wealth, is that think anyone is not wealthy, doesn't work hard enough and is lazy. It's truly a sad commentary on the disconnect between the socio economics status in this country.
 
madman said:
And this is one of the main reasons why the cons will continue to lose elections. Just look at the disdain that they have for people that are poor.
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Nonsense....Where did you come up with that lie?
 
WWGWD said:
I don't think it's a disdain for the poor that causes them to continually loose national elections. It's a total and complete lack of understanding as to what causes someone to be poor, and the challenges that face anyone trying to get out of poverty. The impression I have always gotten from people born into wealth, is that think anyone is not wealthy, doesn't work hard enough and is lazy. It's truly a sad commentary on the disconnect between the socio economics status in this country.
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With the laundry list of entitlement programs that exist now, if you're still in poverty you have yourself to blame. Of course, even if you are, you're still getting floated along like dead wood.

If anything, these programs are perpetuating poverty, not trying to help people to climb out of it. Why try when you can do flip and still rob the taxpayer coffers?
 
Gipper said:
With the laundry list of entitlement programs that exist now, if you're still in poverty you have yourself to blame. Of course, even if you are, you're still getting floated along like dead wood.

If anything, these programs are perpetuating poverty, not trying to help people to climb out of it. Why try when you can do flip and still rob the taxpayer coffers?
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I always liked those charts that showed in countries that had high unmployment, and massive government entitlement programs for long periods of time, that when the government cut back the amounts of time that people could be on them, surprise, surprise those participation rates mirrored the amounts of time allowed....
 
Gipper said:
With the laundry list of entitlement programs that exist now, if you're still in poverty you have yourself to blame. Of course, even if you are, you're still getting floated along like dead wood.

If anything, these programs are perpetuating poverty, not trying to help people to climb out of it. Why try when you can do flip and still rob the taxpayer coffers?
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Yea, I couldn't disagree with you more, but that's probably not surprising you, lol.

I've worked with thousands for homeless people, single mothers on food stamps, senior citizens who lost their savings in the stock market crash. There is a multitude of reason someone needs help. From personal experience, I have encountered far more people painfully embarressed that they are food stamps for any length of time, then I encountered people scaming the system.

I am not at all saying that there are not people who work the system, there are plenty and that should be addressed. However, if you think that is the majority, I believe you are sorely miss informed.
 
WWGWD said:
Yea, I couldn't disagree with you more, but that's probably not surprising you, lol.
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Nope.

I've worked with thousands for homeless people, single mothers on food stamps, senior citizens who lost their savings in the stock market crash. There is a multitude of reason someone needs help. From personal experience, I have encountered far more people painfully embarressed that they are food stamps for any length of time, then I encountered people scaming the system.

I am not at all saying that there are not people who work the system, there are plenty and that should be addressed. However, if you think that is the majority, I believe you are sorely miss informed.
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They may be gaming the system when they don't know they are. To say that there isn't infinite opportunity out there for people if they want it is being absolutely blind. Otherwise, I don't know how a latchkey kid like myself could have all the degrees I have, including an MBA. Stands to reason that I should be in the gutters, trying to beg for bread to sustain my misery one more night.

There is no incentive to work. The effective wage for McDonalds or Wal-mart is so much lower than minimum wage because of our "money for nothing" system. Why work for 200 dollar a week (after taxes) when you can do that for sitting on your ass? What's worse is that women that have children have a route to use emotional extortion to work the system that much more. Bad decisions are subsidized by good people.

Do you honestly, and I mean honestly, think that those people you discussed are going to attempt to succeed through the system and then pay it forward for the next crop of people who "slip through the cracks"?

That's a hopelessly optimistic viewpoint.
 
madman said:
and perhaps your understanding is an assumption.
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Do you disagree? I do not view it as an assumption. It's something that should be taken into account in these discussions...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Do you disagree? I do not view it as an assumption. It's something that should be taken into account in these discussions...
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I believe we are seeing an increase in foodstamp usage BECAUSE of how sh**** the econ has been, but let's go ahead and ignore that little fact.
 
madman said:
I believe we are seeing an increase in foodstamp usage BECAUSE of how sh**** the econ has been, but let's go ahead and ignore that little fact.
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I'm not ignoring anything, but you seem to be content simply throwing stones to see if you can hit anything. How would you suggest we improve the situation that would create jobs for those that want to work, and what would you suggest we do if the jobs were available and some still chose not to work?
 
That's right I love my food stamps period. You all work to be my slaves and you may be a slave again for 2016 as well if my food stamp buddies win again.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
That's right I love my food stamps period. You all work to be my slaves and you may be a slave again for 2016 as well if my food stamp buddies win again.
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I hear it's $16/month. Don't spend it all in one place.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
That's right I love my food stamps period. You all work to be my slaves and you may be a slave again for 2016 as well if my food stamp buddies win again.
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This post wins.

The funny thing is that I can picture millions saying this with a straight face.
 
Gipper said:
Nope.
They may be gaming the system when they don't know they are. To say that there isn't infinite opportunity out there for people if they want it is being absolutely blind. Otherwise, I don't know how a latchkey kid like myself could have all the degrees I have, including an MBA. Stands to reason that I should be in the gutters, trying to beg for bread to sustain my misery one more night.

There is no incentive to work. The effective wage for McDonalds or Wal-mart is so much lower than minimum wage because of our "money for nothing" system. Why work for 200 dollar a week (after taxes) when you can do that for sitting on your ass? What's worse is that women that have children have a route to use emotional extortion to work the system that much more. Bad decisions are subsidized by good people.

Do you honestly, and I mean honestly, think that those people you discussed are going to attempt to succeed through the system and then pay it forward for the next crop of people who "slip through the cracks"?

That's a hopelessly optimistic viewpoint.
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It sounds to me, and I may be wrong about your intention, but it seems you want to punish the lot, for actions of a few. From my experiences, there is nothing a poor mother wants then to get her kid out of poverty and ensure they get a better life. Obviously, you will have exceptions to that, but I don't think this lazy attitude you highlight is as rampant as you think. The people I have worked with over the years, want nothing more then to be able to provide for their families, and give back to their communities. This is just a viewpoint I pulled out my optimistic, liberal head. I can put names and faces to the people who actively work hard to help the next generation out of poverty and into productivity.

Is the system flawed? Yes. Should their be an emphasis on short term assistance? Yes. Is there an incredible need for reformation of these programs? ABSOLUTELY. However, just writing off an entire socio economic class as lazy, entitled, scam artist, is disengenous at best. I have no problem seeing that the people you describe exist and should be addressed. I just don't believe the rhetoric and the stereotypes that claim all people benefiting from entitlements fall under that category.
 
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