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Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

head of joaquin said:
No it's not a simple fact. It's a pseudo fact used by racist NRA rhetoric to inflame the conversation about gun violence and the need to restrict guns.

But getting back to the topic, another gun massacre, another flame war by gun lovers who are so insecure they can't even think straight about gun control.
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There Are 1.4 MILLION Gang Members In The United States And More Pour Into The Country Every Single Day

"The FBI tells us that there are now 1.4 million gang members involved in the 33,000 different gangs that are active inside the United States. The number of gang members in the U.S. has increased by 40 percent since 2009. Just think about that. That is absolutely astounding. Just since 2009, the number of gang members has increased by 40 percent. The FBI says that 48 percent of all violent crime in this country can be directly traced to gangs and that this is a national crisis that is progressively getting worse."


We only come here for jobs.
 
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Ray410 said:
There Are 1.4 MILLION Gang Members In The United States And More Pour Into The Country Every Single Day
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Ha Ha so f***ing racist that they assume all gang membership increases come from immigration, rather than from citizens joining gangs. sorry to bust your racist bubble, but more than a million of that 1.4 million are white people born in America who "poured into America" (known to normal people as "joined a gang") because they like hanging out with other stupid, violent racists.
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
You said Firearm, I did not. you deliberately narrowed your search to get the desired results instead of doing the search I told you to do.
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I don't have a desired result. I thought the stat you provided was an interesting argument point so I requested a link to where you got it. You wouldn't provide a link. So I did the best with what I could find because I cannot find any links to all the breakdowns you want. And yes, I included firearms because that is what this thread was about.

But you know what, I'm not doing your work for you anymore. You want to convince people of your point then provide your own evidence. Until then I am not going to give your statement any weight.
 
Sarcogito said:
I don't have a desired result. I thought the stat you provided was an interesting argument point so I requested a link to where you got it. You wouldn't provide a link. So I did the best with what I could find because I cannot find any links to all the breakdowns you want. And yes, I included firearms because that is what this thread was about.

But you know what, I'm not doing your work for you anymore. You want to convince people of your point then provide your own evidence. Until then I am not going to give your statement any weight.
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whatever. you didn't find any relevant data and yet all the relevant data is public information provided by the government to anyone who asks. the CDC is one such source and you found the CDC but looked for different stuff there than what i told you to look for. the CDC has some of the information that you were supposed to look for.
 
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Turtledude said:
what is funny is that you will claim that you want gun restrictions to stop crime and we will merely point out what truly motivates your gun hatred-you hate gun owners because they don't buy into racist far left idiocy
head of joaquin said:
Actually, I never claimed that. You're just making stuff up, as usual.
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Really liar?

head of joaquin said:
The face of a gun lover trying not to address another mass shooting due to lax gun laws.
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Really? Then why doesn't the fact of a place being a "gun free zone" stop any shooter, rather than invite him? Or that murder is illegal? Or the fact that Connecticut already has an Assault Weapons Ban? What gun laws stop crime? What criminals obey the law rather than break the law by definition?

Ignoramus... No wonder so many eyes roll at your posts.

head of joaquin said:
Because it's mostly an NRA fiction.

In fictional NRA America criminals (NRA code for minorities) are breaking down doors and invading homes every hour. Pure rubbish of course, but that's what gunlovers trade in
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Actually private guns stop over 2.5 Million crimes a year a fact I'm sure you loathe. Gun haters like you and Catawba jump gleefully at the news of any murder and openly admit hating the law abiding gun owner & 2nd Amendment, so of course you would never EVER post a story like Young Boy Saves Parents from Kidnapper With Gun:


Or the countless weekly stories of people defending themselves in a home invasion, or children using parent's gun, etc...

TurtleDude said:
the only racist rhetoric we see is from you. Not the NRA
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Indeed, from a non-white NRA member.
 
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Sarcogito said:
I don't have a desired result. I thought the stat you provided was an interesting argument point so I requested a link to where you got it. You wouldn't provide a link. So I did the best with what I could find because I cannot find any links to all the breakdowns you want. And yes, I included firearms because that is what this thread was about.

But you know what, I'm not doing your work for you anymore. You want to convince people of your point then provide your own evidence. Until then I am not going to give your statement any weight.
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AmericanWoman76 said:
whatever. you didn't find any relevant data and yet all the relevant data is public information provided by the government to anyone who asks. the CDC is one such source and you found the CDC but looked for different stuff there than what i told you to look for. the CDC has some of the information that you were supposed to look for.
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No, you failed to provide a source for your claims and he called you on it. Welcome to a Debate Forum, goodbye credibility. Also, we already have an American Woman.
 
Lachean said:
No, you failed to provide a source for your claims and he called you on it. Welcome to a Debate Forum, goodbye credibility. Also, we already have an American Woman.
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he found a source of my claims and he looked up irrelevant information on it. I'm happy to hear i have zero credibility to people with zero sense
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
he found a s:dohource of my claims
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No, no he didn't. Did you even read his posts?

AmericanWoman76 said:
and he looked up irrelevant information on it.
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Violent crime rates are irrelevant to a debate on shootings?

You do realize this is a debate forum right? So this is what you do? Make stuff up, not read people's counter posts, not care to prove your claims then retreat to insults like this:

AmericanWoman76 said:
I'm happy to hear i have zero credibility to people with zero sense
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Yes, we who expect sources for claims have zero sense, we should just take your word on statistics... because ya know no one makes those up on the spot. :roll:

Never heard of anyone so glad to be ignorant while being insulting, wrong and having been called on not having a leg to stand on.
 
Lachean said:
No, no he didn't. Did you even read his posts?

So this is what you do? Make stuff up, not read people's counter posts, not care to prove your claims then retreat to insults like this:



Yes, we who expect sources for claims have zero sense, we should just take your word on statistics... because ya know no one makes those up on the spot. :roll:

Never heard of anyone so glad to be ignorant while being insulting, wrong and having been called on not having a leg to stand on.
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wow don't piss your pants, i only proved you wrong i didn't **** on your doorstep.
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
wow don't piss your pants
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Says the one who so hysterically resorted to insults. I don't believe I've lost my composure, you cannot claim the same.

AmericanWoman76 said:
i only proved you wrong
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lol YOU prove ME wrong on anything? When? Please quote the point I made and what you said to "prove me wrong"?

Then you can go back, explain to me how in fact you didn't fail to cite your source, didn't resort to insults, didn't fail to read Sarcogito's post, didn't fail to think that his research agreed with your claim, and I'm only stopping here because this is HALF of your failures so far and I've realize how much time I've wasted on a demonstrably irrational person already.

AmericanWoman76 said:
i didn't **** on your doorstep.
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See what I mean, calm down. You react in a rather bizarre manner to being asked for a source for your claims... bizarre indeed.
 
Lachean said:
Says the one who so hysterically resorted to insults. I don't believe I've lost my composure, you cannot claim the same.



lol YOU prove ME wrong on anything? When? Please quote the point I made and what you said to "prove me wrong"?

Then you can go back, explain to me how in fact you didn't fail to cite your source, didn't resort to insults, didn't fail to read Sarcogito's post, didn't fail to think that his research agreed with your claim, and I'm only stopping here because this is HALF of your failures so far and I've realize how much time I've wasted on a demonstrably irrational person already.



See what I mean, calm down. You react in a rather bizarre manner to being asked for a source for your claims... bizarre indeed.
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Thank you for proving yourself even more wrong by taking a half sentence out of context to mean it's opposite ( taking a lighthearted suggestion for you to lighten up and portraying it as hysterical rage) . no one with a leg to stand on would resort to such chicanery.
 
Whatever last word you feel you have to get in... if that's what passes for debate in your circles. Everyone here can read and will know you for the failure you are.

AmericanWoman76 said:
Thank you for proving yourself even more wrong by taking a half sentence out of context to mean it's opposite ( taking a lighthearted suggestion for you to lighten up and portraying it as hysterical rage) . no one with a leg to stand on would resort to such chicanery.
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:scared:
 
Lachean said:
Whatever last word you feel you have to get in... if that's what passes for debate in your circles.



:scared:
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i was never in a debate with you. i was in a debate with another person and you jumped in with foolishness, and i played along with your game.
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
wow don't piss your pants, i only proved you wrong i didn't **** on your doorstep.
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Try to clean it up a little bit, will you? Being gross is not appropriate nor does it accomplish anything in a forum of this nature. You simply define yourself by those sorts of ugly remarks.
 
Ray410 said:
Try to clean it up a little bit, will you? Being gross is not appropriate nor does it accomplish anything in a forum of this nature. You simply define yourself by those sorts of ugly remarks.
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oh, I should be appropriate, that means so little coming from you. Okay, I'll try to keep it rated Y to match your playground "logic".
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
Yes, So, do you accept this as justice and therefore accept that blacks are more murderous and also as highly evolved beyond whites as whites are beyond apes? Or do you reject this as injustice? Or some totally illogical third choice?
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Your comment does not jibe with what is known of our collective history and genealogy.


AmericanWoman76 said:
You said Firearm, I did not. you deliberately narrowed your search to get the desired results instead of doing the search I told you to do.
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Then provide the data that you use. It is that simple.


AmericanWoman76 said:
... instead of doing the search I told you to do.
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You told them to do?
Who do you think you are?
Unless you have already sourced the information in the topic, it is on you to properly source it, just like Sarcogito did.
Not make demands that others look it up.


AmericanWoman76 said:
Ha Ha so f***ing racist that they assume all gang membership increases come from immigration, rather than from citizens joining gangs. sorry to bust your racist bubble, but more than a million of that 1.4 million are white people born in America who "poured into America" (known to normal people as "joined a gang") because they like hanging out with other stupid, violent racists.
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There you go making no sense again. Figures.


AmericanWoman76 said:
whatever. you didn't find any relevant data and yet all the relevant data is public information provided by the government to anyone who asks. the CDC is one such source and you found the CDC but looked for different stuff there than what i told you to look for. the CDC has some of the information that you were supposed to look for.
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Then provided it.
As they say, put up, or shut up.


AmericanWoman76 said:
he found a source of my claims and he looked up irrelevant information on it. I'm happy to hear i have zero credibility to people with zero sense
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The one who has no sense is you. It is either that or you really are not using it.
Which one is it?


AmericanWoman76 said:
i was never in a debate with you. i was in a debate with another person and you jumped in with foolishness, and i played along with your game.
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And you some how think that means that in an open debate forum another can not make reply to the bs you spew?
How do you figure that?
 
Fisher said:
Why do liberals never post links about people defending themselves with a gun, but if somebody gets a splinter off the stock of their gun, I know it will be linked here as an anti-gun story?
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You say the same thing on every anti-gun thread.
 
head of joaquin said:
You're right: I despise gun culture and the paranoid knownothings that feed it. Guns aren't the problem, it's gun culture and its pornography of gun violence.

Good point!
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I despise the paranoid non-thinkers who cannot understand the concept of freedom nor the consequences of it.
 
head of joaquin said:
pornography of gun violence
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Good metaphor! And right now, we can all tell that you're the one metaphorically wanking it to this metaphorical porn, never let an opportunity go to waste, am I right?

Meanwhile, four people and the shooter are dead, with no apparent motive known to anyone and no information about why this happened.

LET'S BLINDLY SPECULATE AND ASCRIBE POLITICAL MOTIVES IT'LL BE FUN YAAAAAAAAAY.






P.S. Memes.
 
So....just to keep tabs...


The two states that have, arguably, THE toughest guns laws in the entire country....failed to prevent gun violence.
 
KevinKohler said:
So....just to keep tabs...


The two states that have, arguably, THE toughest guns laws in the entire country....failed to prevent gun violence.
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That is why we need stronger anti gun laws, thank you.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
That is why we need stronger anti gun laws, thank you.
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Yeah, the only way CT's gun laws are going to get stronger is by not allowing guns. At all.


To spell this out for you...I USED to have guns, USED to shoot quite a lot.

Then I moved to CT. And frankly, up here, it's too expensive, and too big a pain in the ass to do.
 
TurtleDude said:
the only racism that is brought to gun posts comes from you. Its obvious that your hatred of the NRA is based on your perception that its mainly a white organization. Its not my fault that so many criminals are black
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As a black man, how does that make you feel?
 
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