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Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.[W: 168]

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jonny5 said:
The point was you misinterpreted the 47% that he was referring to. Technically we was referring to the people who vote for Obama.



No doubt hes being rhetorical when he claims that everyone who votes for Obama pays no income tax, are all dependent, etc. But he wasnt saying that the 47% who dont pay taxes all vote for Obama, but that the 47% who DO vote for Obama are typically govt dependent.

Even though the meaning is correct, he was indeed not technically correct. He just doesnt get a pass like democrats do.
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I disagree that he was technically correct, but it's whatever, we just disagree on that point. If he wasn't talking about the people that don't pay income taxes, then he either should have chosen a number other than 47%, the exact number of the people that don't pay income taxes, lol.

And I think tht by him saying these people will vote Obama no matter what, and that it's not his job to worry about them is insane. He's presuming that 47% of americans are just good for nothing moochers that are too dumb to realize how great of a guy he is, it's not his fault they ain't gonna vote for him, it's their fault for not making alot of money. It's a stupid view point. I think it's fair to say theres a number of people on either side that aren't changing their votes, but everything he said to detail that fact was stupid, classless and incorrect.
 
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Arbo said:
Yes, we know you will continue to flood this forum with this nonsense. There is no stopping those that refuse to educate themselves.
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Your concession is noted. The fact you cannot back up your claims with FACTS is noted.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Afraid to actually give an answer?
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He cannot because there aren't any. He just makes a BS claim and then says history is on his side but provides no facts to support his claim. The lamest debate tactic ever.
 
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The factory in China that Romney bragged about is surronded by barbed wire and armed guards. When Romney visited it the workers were ordered not "to look up" from their word or face harsh punishments.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Given recent precedent, Romney ought to be able to sue this person for $100,000.
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I'm not so sure that Romney could sue. There were alot of people taking pictures with their phones and according to what I read the guy who taped it was just taking advantage of being where a candidate running for President was speaking. He probably could have made money but chose not to. I'm glad he chose to share it though. We got to see and hear the real Romney.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
If they are retired elderly, living off of their retirement, then that isn't taxable income.
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Then they arent in the 47%, because the 47% refers to wage earners. They may be in th 47% of voters who will vote for Obama because they are dependent on govt.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

roughdraft274 said:
I disagree that he was technically correct, but it's whatever, we just disagree on that point. If he wasn't talking about the people that don't pay income taxes, then he either should have chosen a number other than 47%, the exact number of the people that don't pay income taxes, lol.

And I think tht by him saying these people will vote Obama no matter what, and that it's not his job to worry about them is insane. He's presuming that 47% of americans are just good for nothing moochers that are too dumb to realize how great of a guy he is, it's not his fault they ain't gonna vote for him, it's their fault for not making alot of money. It's a stupid view point. I think it's fair to say theres a number of people on either side that aren't changing their votes, but everything he said to detail that fact was stupid, classless and incorrect.
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I said he wasnt technically correct. He was obviously speaking rhetorically, but since hes a Republican, hes going to have every word analayzed given and no mercy received. Thats the price you pay for not being a liberal.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
The factory in China that Romney bragged about is surronded by barbed wire and armed guards. When Romney visited it the workers were ordered not "to look up" from their word or face harsh punishments.
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Hows is that relevent to the topic?
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Peter Grimm said:
How is this news again?
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It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
 
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WWGWD said:
It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
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Its pretty obvious he was pandering to the crowd in the video, something politicians live on, yet is only a big deal in the media with its a Republican. What evidence would you accept that people will vote democrat for a handout? I dont imagine they will admit it.
 
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jonny5 said:
I said he wasnt technically correct. He was obviously speaking rhetorically, but since hes a Republican, hes going to have every word analayzed given and no mercy received. Thats the price you pay for not being a liberal.
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Seriously? How do you speak rhetorically with an specific percentage? lol. That just doesn't make any sense to me. If you throw out a number like that, it makes it sound like a fact, with a statistical basis. Either he knew exactly what he was saying, regurgitated a statistic he heard some where or made it up on the spot, but this whole, 'I miss spoke' thing, is total bs.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

jonny5 said:
Its pretty obvious he was pandering to the crowd in the video, something politicians live on, yet is only a big deal in the media with its a Republican. What evidence would you accept that people will vote democrat for a handout? I dont imagine they will admit it.
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I don't in any way dispute the fact that people with vote democrate for handout. My dispute is the estimation of how many. 47% is the number of people who don't pay income tax. There is a multitude of reasons people are exempt from paying income tax. Some of those reasons are legitimate, and deserving of that exemption, for instance, the military. Lumping those people in with those who manipulate the system so they don't have to work, is disrespectful and inacurate. It perpetuates an inaccurate view of the socioeconomic satus of half of the country. That's why I think this issue is still relevant. That miss representation is still being propgated by the GOP establishment.
 
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WWGWD said:
It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
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According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
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I love when people cite a news source as fact. I put as much stock in Brietbart interpretation of census data, as I do MSNBC, lol. You should look at the actual census information, http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-130.pdf

If you look at what the census actually concluded, you would see that only 18.6% of American receive major government assistance, monthy, in 2009. Just because someone falls on hard times and needs food stamps for a couple months to feed their kids, doesn't make them a suck on the system. I'm not denying that those people exist, I just don't think they exist to the extent the GOP establishmen would like the public to believe.
 
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Arbo said:
I understand that you do not understand a simple sentence.
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It's definitely "simple" alright. As in unsophisticated to the point of not making sense.

Uh, no. There where many colleges that banned recruiters from their campus prior to that decision.
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Colleges are now "the left"? I guess to the uneducated, it would seem so.

It's no wonder America is going down the crapper... it seems most people just refuse to lift a finger to learn and remove their ignorance on so many topics.

See first response above.
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Still not a single fact. Why even continue?
 
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MaggieD said:
His surrounding comments were what was new to me:



The only thing wrong with what he said is the percentage. It's not that high.
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The number wasn't an accident. It was the number of people not paying federal income taxes in...2009?

The number wasn't wrong. His interpretation is. (The idea that not paying income tax makes you a leech)
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Peter Grimm said:
According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
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If you're counting mortgage tax credits as government assistance, you're padding numbers to fit an agenda.
 
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Deuce said:
The number wasn't be accident. It was the number of people not paying federal income taxes in...2009?

The number wasn't wrong. His interpretation is. (The idea that not paying income tax makes you a leech)
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Not so much that it makes you a leech, just that it makes you care less about deficit spending for gov't income redistribution programs or favor any tax reform - you can't pay less than zero or beat getting a refund exceeding your withholding. ;)
 
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MaggieD said:
The only thing wrong with what he said is the percentage. It's not that high.
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It's also incorrect to say they'll vote democrat no matter what. Considering most welfare states (i.e. states who get more than they give) are red states, it makes absolutely no sense to claim they'll vote Democrat.
 
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WWGWD said:
I love when people cite a news source as fact. I put as much stock in Brietbart interpretation of census data, as I do MSNBC, lol. You should look at the actual census information, http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-130.pdf

If you look at what the census actually concluded, you would see that only 18.6% of American receive major government assistance, monthy, in 2009. Just because someone falls on hard times and needs food stamps for a couple months to feed their kids, doesn't make them a suck on the system. I'm not denying that those people exist, I just don't think they exist to the extent the GOP establishmen would like the public to believe.
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Your number of 18.9% includes only individuals who receive major (defined how?) government assistance, monthly, and the data is from 2009.

My number of 49% includes anyone who lives in the same household as someone receiving any sort of government assistance, at any time in the first quarter of 2011.

The assumption is that other people who live in the household also depend on the income generated by the financial aid.

Either way, had Romeny used a number like 30% rather than 47%, would that have made it better in your eyes?
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Peter Grimm said:
According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
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You should have gone right to their source. I almost called you on using Breitbart as a reliable source.

At any rate, when you call about half of the population a bunch of lazy layabouts, that doesn't bode well for your electoral chances. Especially when everybody already suspects that you're an out of touch rich guy.

Ironically, wasn't 47% about the percentage that Romney got? Coincidence??
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Not so much that it makes you a leech, just that it makes you care less about deficit spending for gov't income redistribution programs or favor any tax reform - you can't pay less than zero or beat getting a refund exceeding your withholding. ;)
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That's not what Romney said. He basically called them leaches. I'm glad you disagree, because personally I find the notion that retired seniors, who worked for 50 years, "can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves" to be appalling. Same with deployed combat troops. Or investment bankers.
 
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Deuce said:
That's not what Romney said. He basically called them leaches. I'm glad you disagree, because personally I find the notion that retired seniors, who worked for 50 years, "can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves" to be appalling. Same with deployed combat troops. Or investment bankers.
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Right, but those are not the leaches Romney was talking about. He was talking about blacks, hispanics, college kids, women and everyone else he can insult to the applause of his core voting demographic.
 
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