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Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.[W: 168]

Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Do you deny that the majority of those on the left merely give lip service to the military? That when the do 'support' them it is most often faux support?



Ah, the swing to try and make it all personal. You follow the guides well.

Yes... I deny that bullcrap. I served honorably the USMC... what have you done?
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Yes... I deny that bullcrap. I served honorably the USMC... what have you done?

Thank you for your service:applaud
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Thank you for your service:applaud

Thanks man. I don't even care to use it like that unless someone says something broad and stupid that tends denigrate my and many others' service like Arbo did.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Worker who taped Romney



I think this comment did a lot of damage for Romney and it's interesting that the guy who taped him was part of that 47%. I would guess also guess that the reason this comment did so much damage was not because Romney is a rich guy but because of the unitarian message Romney was trying to push while also trying to paint himself as an American who was caring about the struggles of that 47% and the struggles it has. Furthermore, I would even argue that the real reason this did damage was because well, Romney with his other comments about "waging $10K" and having friends who own NASCAR teams made him sound far more elitist than he probably is in real life.

In short, this wasn't a good move on Romney's behalf. Even if he did think it would never get out.

I think Romney would have lost even without the 47% comment. He just wasn't the right candidate to defeat a vulnerable sitting president.
 
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Thanks man. I don't even care to use it like that unless someone says something broad and stupid that tends denigrate my and many others' service like Arbo did.

I took the deposition of a plaintiff who is suing a client of mine pro se a couple days ago. He noted he was a vietnam vet-Marines. I said thank you for your service. I told him the same thing as I was showing him out of my office. He said thanks for showing me some respect-that's what I was really looking for.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

I took the deposition of a plaintiff who is suing a client of mine pro se a couple days ago. He noted he was a vietnam vet-Marines. I said thank you for your service. I told him the same thing as I was showing him out of my office. He said thanks for showing me some respect-that's what I was really looking for.

Way cool.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Yes... I deny that bullcrap. I served honorably the USMC... what have you done?

Thanks man. I don't even care to use it like that unless someone says something broad and stupid that tends denigrate my and many others' service like Arbo did.

Do you really have that bad of an issue with comprehension? The left is in general not supporters of the military... this is a fact... that has nothing to do with those that served.. Get a grip. But I see you repeated that other guys attempt at the left wing tactic of trying to make it personal... Thanks for proving the point on that one.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Worker who taped Romney



I think this comment did a lot of damage for Romney and it's interesting that the guy who taped him was part of that 47%. I would guess also guess that the reason this comment did so much damage was not because Romney is a rich guy but because of the unitarian message Romney was trying to push while also trying to paint himself as an American who was caring about the struggles of that 47% and the struggles it has. Furthermore, I would even argue that the real reason this did damage was because well, Romney with his other comments about "waging $10K" and having friends who own NASCAR teams made him sound far more elitist than he probably is in real life.

In short, this wasn't a good move on Romney's behalf. Even if he did think it would never get out.

yes i agree it was damaging since many of the 47% are republicans and his voting demographic.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Do you really have that bad of an issue with comprehension? The left is in general not supporters of the military... this is a fact...

No it is not. That is your slighted perception. That which is your perception does not a fact make.

Arbo said:
that has nothing to do with those that served.. Get a grip. But I see you repeated that other guys attempt at the left wing tactic of trying to make it personal... Thanks for proving the point on that one.

You made it personal when you broadstroked the left mistating their positions with stereotype and/or denigrating ther service.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

No it is not. That is your slighted perception. That which is your perception does not a fact make.

Take a look at history... who has spit on our troops, who has called them baby killers, who has suggested they 'sneak in homes' in the middle of the night... that should give you a bit to do. It's called reality... That you refuse to see it because you are a leftist that was in the service, and thus a minority, does not make that fact go away.

You made it personal when you broadstroked the left mistating their positions with stereotype and/or denigrating ther service.

'The left/The right' is not personal. What a crazy line of logic to get to such a suggestion. Personal is when a person starts saying things like 'what have you done' as if to suggest others haven't been there and done that. Take a look at the whole of the forum, if 'left' or 'right' is personal, that most everything on here is personal... again, quite an amazing logic FAIL there..

And you are yet again showing confusion as you continue to suggest anyone's service is denigrated by stating the fact that it is mostly the left that does not like and stands against our troops. You can't even use poor logic to come to that conclusion, you simply have to just blurt it with no connection to reality at all.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

...the fact is he was correct...but there IS a much more intelligent way to say it. The fact is that there WERE a large number of people that were committed to vote for Obama and nothing he said or did was going to influence their decision and it WOULD be a waste of time and campaign dollars to attempt to go after their vote. That is all he needed to say. That's all he SHOULD have said.

This is the narrative that worries me. Mr. Romney spoke of a very specific percentage number. It's not that he believed a large number of people were committed to the President. He said, specifically, 47% of people. What make him questionable is where that number came from and what a based his choice to use that number. Did a speech writter put it in, and he didn't fact check it? Did he read a report that provided that number? Was it an estimated number based on his cumulative experience? You don't miss speak about an exact number, any logical human being knows that people don't do that. What makes it extrodinarily important, is because of the extrodinarily important office he is running for. To simply be able to blow off that statment as a trivial flub, is pretty facetious, at best.

From what I have been able to find, the only statistics that even come close to a 47%, is to include any and all people who receive money from the government, based on a very broad definition. That really does inlcude veterans, who deserve every penny that they receive, and absolutely do not overwhelmingly support the President. So this assersion that Mr. Romey was correct in his statement, but failed with execution, seem obviously inaccurate.

It is however a matter of perspective and perception. This is just mine.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

the guy who did this was apparently hired by the caterer. He had no right to do that. he is a scumbag
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

No it is not. That is your slighted perception. That which is your perception does not a fact make.



You made it personal when you broadstroked the left mistating their positions with stereotype and/or denigrating ther service.

always funny when somebody pushes their opinion as fact isnt it :)
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Do you really have that bad of an issue with comprehension? The left is in general not supporters of the military... this is a fact... that has nothing to do with those that served.. Get a grip. But I see you repeated that other guys attempt at the left wing tactic of trying to make it personal... Thanks for proving the point on that one.

What you fail to do is realize you can't brush the whole military with the same brush. The military is us. The military is sampling of the whole country, all regions, all racial make ups, all socio-economic classes.
The miliary can not all be brushed as heroes either or we wouldn't have MPs inside the base. We have alot of good guys in the military and also have bad apples.
 
Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

This is the narrative that worries me. Mr. Romney spoke of a very specific percentage number. It's not that he believed a large number of people were committed to the President. He said, specifically, 47% of people. What make him questionable is where that number came from and what a based his choice to use that number. Did a speech writter put it in, and he didn't fact check it? Did he read a report that provided that number? Was it an estimated number based on his cumulative experience? You don't miss speak about an exact number, any logical human being knows that people don't do that. What makes it extrodinarily important, is because of the extrodinarily important office he is running for. To simply be able to blow off that statment as a trivial flub, is pretty facetious, at best.

From what I have been able to find, the only statistics that even come close to a 47%, is to include any and all people who receive money from the government, based on a very broad definition. That really does inlcude veterans, who deserve every penny that they receive, and absolutely do not overwhelmingly support the President. So this assersion that Mr. Romey was correct in his statement, but failed with execution, seem obviously inaccurate.

It is however a matter of perspective and perception. This is just mine.

I'm reasonably certain thy pulled the 47% figure from those in the government dole. I don't know that it is an exact number, however I think the election spoke pretty clearly. There really were only a small percentage of voters that could be swayed.

Regardless...it was poorly stated. They really need to send candidates to candidate school.
 
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What you fail to do is realize you can't brush the whole military with the same brush.

Another with reading comprehension problems... I never said anything about the military, I was talking about those that do not like the military.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Do you really have that bad of an issue with comprehension? The left is in general not supporters of the military... this is a fact... that has nothing to do with those that served.. Get a grip. But I see you repeated that other guys attempt at the left wing tactic of trying to make it personal... Thanks for proving the point on that one.

If it is fact then were is the proof?
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

I'm reasonably certain thy pulled the 47% figure from those in the government dole. I don't know that it is an exact number, however I think the election spoke pretty clearly. There really were only a small percentage of voters that could be swayed.

Regardless...it was poorly stated. They really need to send candidates to candidate school.


The issue was not saying 47% would not vote for him. The issue was saying that 47% are all on the government assistance. Which is not true as it does include the elderly on SS, the retired military members on pensions, those on disability etc. I expect a large number of the 47% (not a majority) to generally vote republican.

The comme
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Yeah, there you go, ignore reality and continue with that playbook. Maybe someone will fall for it.

And what reality am I ignoring? There ARE military members and elderly that are part of the 47% that you don't address.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

I'm reasonably certain thy pulled the 47% figure from those in the government dole. I don't know that it is an exact number, however I think the election spoke pretty clearly. There really were only a small percentage of voters that could be swayed.

Regardless...it was poorly stated. They really need to send candidates to candidate school.

It seems like, if someone is going to throw out a number, that specific, their must be a reason. What I can't understand, is why Mr. Romney never seemed to have to explain it. If he had, more people would have to consider, whether they think service members, seniors, children, and the working poor can never be convinced to "they take personal responsibility and care for their lives". From what of I have found, that's who makes up about 37% of the people who don't pay income taxes for various reasons. I would like to know, but probably never will, know why that very specific number came out of his mouth. At very best, if he truly wants to claim he mispoke, then the only way a number like that comes out is he made it up on the spot. Not a person I'm going to cast a vote for.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

If it is fact then were is the proof?

Find any instance when people bad mouthed the military, spit on them, called them names, etc... then tell us if they were left or right on the spectrum.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Find any instance when people bad mouthed the military, spit on them, called them names, etc... then tell us if they were left or right on the spectrum.

That is not specific. Give me a actual event.
 
Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

Find any instance when people bad mouthed the military, spit on them, called them names, etc... then tell us if they were left or right on the spectrum.

Oh, I can definitely give you this one. 2005, Army Spc. Carrie L. French was killed in combat, and the Westboro Baptist Church held a protest at her funeral. They were waiving signs that said things like "Thank God for IED's" and "Thank God for 9/11". I definitely wouldn't bet them on the left side of the scale, they do think that President Obama is the antichrist, so I guess they would fall to the right.
 
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