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How a U.S. Citizen Came to Be in America’s Cross Hairs
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You can take your leader's word for it and believe them all you want but this does not prove your claims. When claiming things as facts, you should have proof better than your leaders told you so.
He is a terrorist because he plots attacks, and he's plotting an attack because he's a terrorist is by the way circular logic.
This really just illustrates that supporters in this foreign policy don't have the requisite information to know any of this and rather believe this merely because they've been told to.
You can believe what you want, merely because your leaders tell you that's what happened, all you want, but if you make a factual claim on the internet without proof to back it up I will call you out on it.
Once again, I will remind you that Obama lied about the attack and many others, as well as the CIA, the DoD and others who lie about these matters routinely.
You can take your leader's word for it and believe them all you want but this does not prove your claims. When claiming things as facts, you should have proof better than your leaders told you so.
He is a terrorist because he plots attacks, and he's plotting an attack because he's a terrorist is by the way circular logic.
This really just illustrates that supporters in this foreign policy don't have the requisite information to know any of this and rather believe this merely because they've been told to.
You can believe what you want, merely because your leaders tell you that's what happened, all you want, but if you make a factual claim on the internet without proof to back it up I will call you out on it.
Once again, I will remind you that Obama lied about the attack and many others, as well as the CIA, the DoD and others who lie about these matters routinely.
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No, not a “truther”…
All wars throughout history have increased the debt of a nation.
This is a nation in debt by more than 16 trillion and counting as it wages war against a tactic, suspends the a right to trial without charge, and even contemplates the assassination of American citizens if they are viewed to be in combat (such as Dorner)… and you say, the relationship between terrorist and criminal can't be taken seriously, and that it hasn’t affected your life, so who cares. Brilliant. Seems like you should be saying what I’m saying then… that you see no war, invasion, or terrorist attacks here that affect your life... why then are we at war with a tactic?
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Defending him? Hell no... he was a criminal. LoL! It's not a conspiracy theory, they contemplated sending a drone to kill him.
You prove the point that the lines have blurred to the point that a criminal is now seen as an enemy combatant, or "terrorist". And this is supposed to justify the complete removal of the rule of law, and to send the military to kill him?
Nice Red Herring to the point btw
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Still havent read the article I see...
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I think some are confusing the definitions of combat and murderous spree.
In some respects both are to be dealt with in very firm terms. However that doesn't mean a murderer on US soil is to gunned down if he walks into a police station to surrender any more than surrendering Iraqis are to be machine gunned. However a murder suspect engaging Law Enforcement in a fire fight should expect some measure of return fire.
I don't care for the drone program overseas as it doesn't serve us as well as the 'scorecard' makes it appear. The terrorists call us cowards and arrogant with no concern for civilians and are waging a war on Islam. Doesn't matter if we think otherwise the problem will be if the moderates in the Middle East agree with them.
The other issue is a USofA citizen working with the terrorists, does he get special treatment? Does he have to be confronted by 'boots on the ground' and have a chance to surrender?
Back in WWII a few young men who were born in the USofA went to Germany to fight in the German Army. They were treated like any other German soldier. While I'm not a huge fan of drone strikes, once an American calls for killing other Americans, adopts a muslin name, and acts like any other targeted terrorist leader....
he should be treated like any other terrorist.
In some respects both are to be dealt with in very firm terms. However that doesn't mean a murderer on US soil is to gunned down if he walks into a police station to surrender any more than surrendering Iraqis are to be machine gunned. However a murder suspect engaging Law Enforcement in a fire fight should expect some measure of return fire.
I don't care for the drone program overseas as it doesn't serve us as well as the 'scorecard' makes it appear. The terrorists call us cowards and arrogant with no concern for civilians and are waging a war on Islam. Doesn't matter if we think otherwise the problem will be if the moderates in the Middle East agree with them.
The other issue is a USofA citizen working with the terrorists, does he get special treatment? Does he have to be confronted by 'boots on the ground' and have a chance to surrender?
Back in WWII a few young men who were born in the USofA went to Germany to fight in the German Army. They were treated like any other German soldier. While I'm not a huge fan of drone strikes, once an American calls for killing other Americans, adopts a muslin name, and acts like any other targeted terrorist leader....
he should be treated like any other terrorist.
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I did, that's how I know those questions have no answers. If it did have the answers, you would be able to tell me them, meaning you wouldn't have read the article either.
Once again, your claims have no proof. There's no point in replying to me with messages that don't contain that proof.
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The opening paragraph discusses who he was running with. You know the best way not to get run over by cars? Dont play on the highway.
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A person on the run and avtively shooting innocent people sounds exactly like the definition of a murderous criminal.
LAPD Shooting Innocents in Incompetent Manhunt for Killer Cop
By any means availabl, eh? I hope that you are not suggesting that a drone would be acceptable when they can't even tell the difference between a large black man and two elderly white women.
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BI agents had identified al-Aulaqi as a known, important "senior recruiter for al Qaeda", and a spiritual motivator.[62][130]
Al-Aulaqi's name came up in a dozen terrorism plots in the U.S., UK, and Canada. The cases included suicide bombers in the 2005 London bombings, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2006 Toronto terrorism case, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2007 Fort Dix attack plot, the jihadist killer in the 2009 Little Rock military recruiting office shooting, and the 2010 Times Square bomber. In each case the suspects were devoted to al-Aulaqi's message, which they listened to on laptops, audio clips, and CDs.[19][45][49][131]
Al-Aulaqi's recorded lectures were also an inspiration to Islamist fundamentalists who comprised at least six terror cells in the UK through 2009. Michael Finton (Talib Islam), who attempted in September 2009, to bomb the Federal Building and the adjacent offices of Congressman Aaron Schock in Springfield, Illinois, admired al-Aulaqi and quoted him on his Myspace page. In addition to his website, al-Aulaqi had a Facebook fan page with a substantial percentage of "fans" from the U.S., many of whom were high school students.
Al-Aulaqi influenced several other extremists to join terrorist organizations overseas and to carry out terrorist attacks in their home countries. Mohamed Alessa and Carlos Almonte*, two American citizens from New Jersey who attempted to travel to Somalia in June 2010 to join Al Shabaab, the al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group based there*—allegedly watched several al-Aulaqi videos and sermons in which al-Aulaqi warned of future attacks against Americans in the U.S. and abroad. Zachary Chesser (nicknamed Abu Talha al-Amrikee), another American citizen who was arrested for attempting to provide material support to Al Shabaab, also told federal authorities that he watched online videos featuring al-Aulaqi and that he exchanged several e-mails with al-Aulaqi. In July 2010, Paul Rockwood pleaded guilty to, and received an eight-year prison sentence for, assembling a hit list of 15 targets for assassination or bomb attacks within the U.S. of people who he felt had desecrated Islam. Rockwood admitted to having become a "strict adherent to the violent jihad-promoting ideology of cleric Awlaki", which "included a personal conviction that it was Rockwood's religious responsibility to exact revenge by death on anyone who desecrated Islam", and following al-Aulaqi's ideology, "including devotion to [Awlaki's] violence-promoting works, Constants on the Path to Jihad and 44 Ways to Jihad".
In January 2010, CNN reported that U.S. "security sources" said that there is concrete evidence that al-Aulaqi was Abdulmutallab's recruiter and one of his trainers, and met with him prior to the attack. In February 2010, al-Aulaqi admitted in an interview published in al-Jazeera that he taught and corresponded with Abdulmutallab, but denied having ordered the attack.
Representative Pete Hoekstra, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with access to law enforcement information told him the suspect "had contact [with al-Aulaqi]
The governor of Shabwa said in January 2010 that al-Aulaqi was on the move with a group of al-Qaeda elements from Shabwa, including Fahd al-Quso, who was wanted in connection with the bombing of the USS Cole.
On July 16, the U.S. Treasury Department added him to its list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists. As a result, any U.S. bank accounts he may have would be frozen, Americans were forbidden from doing business with him, and he was banned from traveling to the U.S. Stuart Levey, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, said al-Aulaqi "has proven that he is extraordinarily dangerous, committed to carrying out deadly attacks on Americans and others worldwide … [and] has involved himself in every aspect of the supply chain of terrorism—fundraising for terrorist groups, recruiting and training operatives, and planning and ordering attacks on innocents."
A few days later, the United Nations Security Council placed al-Aulaqi on its UN Security Council Resolution 1267 list of individuals associated with al-Qaeda, saying in its summary of reasons that he is a leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and was involved in recruiting and training camps
Just a smattering...but Im SURE you believe he was just an accidental tourist.
Al-Aulaqi's name came up in a dozen terrorism plots in the U.S., UK, and Canada. The cases included suicide bombers in the 2005 London bombings, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2006 Toronto terrorism case, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2007 Fort Dix attack plot, the jihadist killer in the 2009 Little Rock military recruiting office shooting, and the 2010 Times Square bomber. In each case the suspects were devoted to al-Aulaqi's message, which they listened to on laptops, audio clips, and CDs.[19][45][49][131]
Al-Aulaqi's recorded lectures were also an inspiration to Islamist fundamentalists who comprised at least six terror cells in the UK through 2009. Michael Finton (Talib Islam), who attempted in September 2009, to bomb the Federal Building and the adjacent offices of Congressman Aaron Schock in Springfield, Illinois, admired al-Aulaqi and quoted him on his Myspace page. In addition to his website, al-Aulaqi had a Facebook fan page with a substantial percentage of "fans" from the U.S., many of whom were high school students.
Al-Aulaqi influenced several other extremists to join terrorist organizations overseas and to carry out terrorist attacks in their home countries. Mohamed Alessa and Carlos Almonte*, two American citizens from New Jersey who attempted to travel to Somalia in June 2010 to join Al Shabaab, the al-Qaeda-linked terrorist group based there*—allegedly watched several al-Aulaqi videos and sermons in which al-Aulaqi warned of future attacks against Americans in the U.S. and abroad. Zachary Chesser (nicknamed Abu Talha al-Amrikee), another American citizen who was arrested for attempting to provide material support to Al Shabaab, also told federal authorities that he watched online videos featuring al-Aulaqi and that he exchanged several e-mails with al-Aulaqi. In July 2010, Paul Rockwood pleaded guilty to, and received an eight-year prison sentence for, assembling a hit list of 15 targets for assassination or bomb attacks within the U.S. of people who he felt had desecrated Islam. Rockwood admitted to having become a "strict adherent to the violent jihad-promoting ideology of cleric Awlaki", which "included a personal conviction that it was Rockwood's religious responsibility to exact revenge by death on anyone who desecrated Islam", and following al-Aulaqi's ideology, "including devotion to [Awlaki's] violence-promoting works, Constants on the Path to Jihad and 44 Ways to Jihad".
In January 2010, CNN reported that U.S. "security sources" said that there is concrete evidence that al-Aulaqi was Abdulmutallab's recruiter and one of his trainers, and met with him prior to the attack. In February 2010, al-Aulaqi admitted in an interview published in al-Jazeera that he taught and corresponded with Abdulmutallab, but denied having ordered the attack.
Representative Pete Hoekstra, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with access to law enforcement information told him the suspect "had contact [with al-Aulaqi]
The governor of Shabwa said in January 2010 that al-Aulaqi was on the move with a group of al-Qaeda elements from Shabwa, including Fahd al-Quso, who was wanted in connection with the bombing of the USS Cole.
On July 16, the U.S. Treasury Department added him to its list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists. As a result, any U.S. bank accounts he may have would be frozen, Americans were forbidden from doing business with him, and he was banned from traveling to the U.S. Stuart Levey, Under Secretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, said al-Aulaqi "has proven that he is extraordinarily dangerous, committed to carrying out deadly attacks on Americans and others worldwide … [and] has involved himself in every aspect of the supply chain of terrorism—fundraising for terrorist groups, recruiting and training operatives, and planning and ordering attacks on innocents."
A few days later, the United Nations Security Council placed al-Aulaqi on its UN Security Council Resolution 1267 list of individuals associated with al-Qaeda, saying in its summary of reasons that he is a leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and was involved in recruiting and training camps
Just a smattering...but Im SURE you believe he was just an accidental tourist.
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This is clearly the case. It's all about cracking down on dissent. Give them an inch, they take a mile. People should have realized that when they started to allow this War on Terror to start. The government will not stop.
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Yeah....maybe the cops wouldn't have shot up so many civilians had they the ability to rain death from above.
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C'mon! You know those cops shot innocent civilians because that's what they love to do! Don't act like it was a mistake.
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It wasn't a mistake in the least. They probably weren't trying to specifically shoot up any ol civilian, but they also didn't care if it had to come to that; as demonstrated through action.
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I hear that next week they're searching everyones computer.
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They've been doing that already. NSA, FBI, HLS, OIA, etc.
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Everyone?