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AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

Mr.Nick said:
Why do you think they get attacked - because of stunts like this.

Furthermore our military isn't attacking Muslims because of their faith, unlike these Muslims attacking these Christians that have absolutely nothing to do with the US military or US policies.

Besides our military isn't all Christian so your point is moot.
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ALL of your comments have been addressed long ago in the thread. Your post is thus out of context.
 
Lol 26 pages later and we are still discussing how awful Christianity is in leu of the topic being Christian homes being torched by extremists over an accusation of blaspheming Allah/Muhammad. :roll:

It's borderline disgusting. I cannot fathom why when atrocities happen people have to point fingers and say "but that group is still worse."
 
Risky Thicket said:
ALL of your comments have been addressed long ago in the thread. Your post is thus out of context.
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How the hell is my post out of context?

Also, who the hell are you to decide what is currently relevant in a thread??

Talk about a post out of left field - look at yours.
 
DA60 said:
Of course you know that people like Grant are anti-Islamics.

They have decided that the religion itself is to blame and that all those practising are to be judged as potential terrorists.

That kind of gigantic ignorance is similar to bigots against women and 'blacks' and all other prejudices.

Logic does not work with these people (I used to try until I realized it is useless - Iusually just throw a few facts at them, determine from their responses if they seem 'balanced' or not and then leave them alone if they are not - lol. Life is too short to waste on the emotionally disturbed).

You cannot reason with hate.

You can only hope it passes and common sense can one day prevail.


But I applaud your efforts (and the other like-minded members in this thread) to fight the good fight
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Yes, simply denouncing other argument based on vague accusations is much more effective than actually addressing them. And while I would say these attitudes are hardly the full product of the islamic religion, it does play a big part. If for nothing else, the fact that it's much more systemic and rigid than other relgions
 
Risky Thicket said:
ALL of your comments have been addressed long ago in the thread. Your post is thus out of context.
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actually none of them were addressed successfully. last I checked, what amounts to a rebuttal to them is accusing people of being bigots and hating islam.

Hardly something to brag about, or a thing with inherent intellectual merit
 
digsbe said:
Lol 26 pages later and we are still discussing how awful Christianity is in leu of the topic being Christian homes being torched by extremists over an accusation of blaspheming Allah/Muhammad. :roll:

It's borderline disgusting. I cannot fathom why when atrocities happen people have to point fingers and say "but that group is still worse."
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Yes, there is an automatic knee-jerk reaction with some to such topics. The fact that they always decide to attack Christianity, based on it's extremist nature, while offering any excuse to disassociate violence from islam, is just the cherry on top
 
digsbe said:
Lol 26 pages later and we are still discussing how awful Christianity is in leu of the topic being Christian homes being torched by extremists over an accusation of blaspheming Allah/Muhammad. :roll:

It's borderline disgusting. I cannot fathom why when atrocities happen people have to point fingers and say "but that group is still worse."
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That's called people attempting to justify atrocities just so they can pat themselves on the head.

All I have to say is that Christians presently don't attack Muslims in the name of Jesus, but the crazy wing of Islam attacks Christians and Jews in the name of "Allah" and "Muhammad" on a consistent basis.

As a Christian I find all the fighting bizarre considering Muslims, Christians and Jews all believe in the same God, but have different prophets and different ways we worship... Is murder really necessary over a way an individual worships? Islam really seems to think so...

Also, self defense is one thing and so is retaliation but to attack someone for reasons of not adhering to a set of religious moral values is loony.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, there is an automatic knee-jerk reaction with some to such topics. The fact that they always decide to attack Christianity, based on it's extremist nature, while offering any excuse to disassociate violence from islam, is just the cherry on top
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Yep....

Those that hate Christianity will say; "yeah well Christians are no better." My response to that is that Christians aren't killing people in the name of Christianity and Muslims are in fact killing people in the name of "Muhammad" and "Allah." Christians have no "Jihad."

I think it's all silly, but it is fact and is certainly an issue. However I'm not going to overlook the fact that Muslims are doing most of the killing.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yep....

Those that hate Christianity will say; "yeah well Christians are no better." My response to that is that Christians aren't killing people in the name of Christianity and Muslims are in fact killing people in the name of "Muhammad" and "Allah." Christians have no "Jihad."

I think it's all silly, but it is fact and is certainly an issue. However I'm not going to overlook the fact that Muslims are doing most of the killing.
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But there are christians doing violent things. Just check out the army of god or the lords resistence army. The difference is they get no mainstream support and form a very fringe based minority
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, simply denouncing other argument based on vague accusations is much more effective than actually addressing them. And while I would say these attitudes are hardly the full product of the islamic religion, it does play a big part. If for nothing else, the fact that it's much more systemic and rigid than other relgions
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Ummm...are you going to reply to my pm or not?

Failing that - how about The Basement?
 
DA60 said:
Ummm...are you going to reply to my pm or not?
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Why would I want to talk to you in private?


DA60 said:
Failing that - how about The Basement?
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Why would I want to discuss this issue in the basement? If you can't defend your position without resorting to personal attacks, then you have no position to defend. And honestly, trading insults with you isn't something I have a particular interest in.

Sure, I'll laugh at your silly arguments here, while you try to portray yourself as some champion of logic. But that's just cheap entertainment in a thread I'm already active on.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Why would I want to talk to you in private?
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I'll take that as a 'no'.

Well then, how about in the penalty box?

I can ask/tell you things there - on this subject - that are not allowed here.
 
DA60 said:
I'll take that as a 'no'.

Well then, how about in the penalty box?

I can ask/tell you things there - on this subject - that are not allowed here.
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PS If you need to vent, feel free to attack me there. Hell, if I have some free time, and you can get creative enough, I might even reward you with a post or two.

But be warned, I have high standards and expectations
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
PS If you need to vent, feel free to attack me there. Hell, if I have some free time, and you can get creative enough, I might even reward you with a post or two.

But be warned, I have high standards and expectations
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I am not looking to 'vent'.

I am looking to have a frank discussion on this issue and I do not wish to be confined by the boundaries placed on this forum.

But if frank, free adult discussions on pertinent topics are not your thing - so be it.

Please let me know when they are.

Until then, further discussion with you on this is, IMO, pointless.


Have a nice day.
 
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DA60 said:
I am not looking to 'vent'.
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Of course, and I am sure we can file this right next to "I don't care what you have to say" and the various remarks about ignoring me ... Look, mate, I understand you feel personally invested in this, but getting angry and attacking me for presenting facts doesn't actually work to change what those facts are

DA60 said:
I am looking to have a frank discussion on this issue and I do not wish to be confined by the boundaries placed on this forum.
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We seem to be having a rather frank discussion here, and the only limitation seems to be your inability to launch into pointless personal attacks. Because you can't logically address a person's argument.

Or is there something I am missing

DA60 said:
But if frank, free adult discussions on pertinent topics are not your thing - so be it.
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Maybe if you're nicer to Grant he will agree to play with you?

DA60 said:
Please let me know when they are.


Have a nice day.
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Will do, and have a great day yourself
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Of course, and I am sure we can file this right next to "I don't care what you have to say" and the various remarks about ignoring me ... Look, mate, I understand you feel personally invested in this, but getting angry and attacking me for presenting facts doesn't actually work to change what those facts are



We seem to be having a rather frank discussion here, and the only limitation seems to be your inability to launch into pointless personal attacks. Because you can't logically address a person's argument.

Or is there something I am missing



Maybe if you're nicer to Grant he will agree to play with you?



Will do, and have a great day yourself
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So, to sum up...

...you keep bugging me to debate this. Yet when I offer to do it one-on-one (in pm's) or without restrictions in the Penalty Box - you refuse?

You are quite happy to insult/negatively generalize a billion Muslims by judging them purely on the basis of their religion.

Yet you refuse to fully flesh out your derogatory ideas without forum safeguards and Daddy/Mommy moderators (no offence to the latter - just doing your job)?

I think that says it all about you and your opinions on this subject.

I am done with you on this.


Have a nice day.


And btw - I am not Muslim.
 
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DA60 said:
So, to sum up...

...you keep bugging me to debate this.
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No, I keep addressing the bad arguments you freely post in this thread. Bugging you would be pming you and writing personal messages asking you to spend time with me ...


DA60 said:
Yet when I offer to do it one-on-one (in pm's) or without restrictions in the Penalty Box - you refuse?
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Because I am interested in a topic and not you?



DA60 said:
I think that says it all.
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Indeed ...

DA60 said:
I am done with you on this.
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You keep saying that. But if you want to successfully ignore me, it requires some self determination on your part.


DA60 said:
Have a nice day.
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you, as well, buddy
 
digsbe said:
Lol 26 pages later and we are still discussing how awful Christianity is in leu of the topic being Christian homes being torched by extremists over an accusation of blaspheming Allah/Muhammad. :roll:

It's borderline disgusting. I cannot fathom why when atrocities happen people have to point fingers and say "but that group is still worse."
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Right. Gays are being hanged from lampposts and they'll blame the Gays. Women are being brutalized and they'll blame the women. Christians are being murdered and their homes burnt down and they'll blame the Christians. It's the usual response.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Your point was that HIS post reflected common sense and logic.....which it did not. You've evidently done nothing more than succeeded in confusing yourself.

Once again, made up numbers do not justify a "logical" approach. I'm sorry that you let emotion get the best of you and simply chose the wrong post to like and quote in an attept to help strengthen your position. Your ability to back-peddle is quite a sight behold, however. :shrug:
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no back pedal at all, both posts still stand and your biased doesnt change that

how did i back pedal when i keep saying both posts stand? LMAO

please continue to make stuff up and show more things you dont understand :laughat:
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
1) http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694

2) It highlights large segments of the world islamic population supports fundamentally violent interpretations of their religion

3) The post you were offering an opinion on made a remark about 1 million violent muslims at the most. See here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550680

Pakistan has 177 milion people, with 96% being muslim. That would mean there are many more than a million muslims, in pakistan alone, who support executing people for changing their religion
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again how does this translate to the billion? secondly who did the polling? did people answer based on fear of getting killed by extremists?
 
Objective-J said:
again how does this translate to the billion? secondly who did the polling? did people answer based on fear of getting killed by extremists?
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1) Billion, what do you mean billion? As clearly shown in the second link, you were remarking on "At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world."

2) They are findings from about 6 different polls done as part of Pew's global attitudes project

3) Shouldn't you actually inform yourself about the study's content before trying to attack it?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
1) Billion, what do you mean billion? As clearly shown in the second link, you were remarking on "At the absolute most you could estimate 1 million violent, radical muslims in the world."

2) They are findings from about 6 different polls done as part of Pew's global attitudes project

3) Shouldn't you actually inform yourself about the study's content before trying to attack it?
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1.) what it means is what we have all been saying, its about the billion+ muslims on the planet.

how do SOME relate to the whole? what does it "factually" tell us? nothing

2.) see 1.)

3.) good thing this factually did not happen, i asked a honest logical question, there was no attack, is there something else you would like to make up or do you know the factual answer to my question?
 
Objective-J said:
1.) what it means is what we have all been saying, its about the billion+ muslims on the planet.
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I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong

Objective-J said:
how do SOME relate to the whole? what does it "factually" tell us? nothing
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Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter

Objective-J said:
2.) see 1.)
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I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project

Objective-J said:
3.) good thing this factually did not happen, i asked a honest logical question, there was no attack, is there something else you would like to make up or do you know the factual answer to my question?
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you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I really don't understand what you are trying to say? Yes, I am well aware that there are over a billion muslims. However, the remark you quoted and offered support to mentioned one million violent Muslims (it's quoted in the very post you responded here and a direct link is provided further back). As explained, if we can classify support, for executing people over leaving islam, as violence then there are many more than one million violent muslims in Pakistan alone, and you would be clearly wrong



Well, since over a 100 million muslims in Pakistan alone support executing apostates, it tells us that there exists a significant level of violence and fundamentalism within that population and that there exists a chance this could represent a majority view. Which is what I said originally on the matter



I'm not seeing how my answer to 2 would be related to 1. Point two was directly addressed to your inability to click a web link and read who conducted the polling project



you didn't even know the name of the organization who conducted the poll, but felt the need to suggest some scenario that undermined their findings. Honestly, the issue of questioning data doesn't really bother me, what bugs me is that you would attempt to do so while being totally unfamiliar with the report.

Such stuff is nothing more than a trivial waste of time
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If you can find a way to get through to him in order to make him see your point regarding the concept that the number of "violent" Muslims is highly contingent upon what actually qualifies as "violence".......then I will take my hat off to you sir.....and buy you a steak dinner!

At this point, it has been explained to him so many times, so many ways that I'm not sure if what he's exhibiting is actual lack of comprehension or just plain old intellectual dishonesty. :shrug:
 
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