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AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

Risky Thicket said:
Sorry, Grant. It isn't correct and it isn't accurate. Religious violence does happen in America and a lot of the religious violence is perpetrated by Christians. Your whole premise built on greater Christian adherence to the Golden Rule is shot fatally in the butt. Your argument fails as it gasps one last breath, shudders and dies.
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Your opinion is not supported by facts. Give me some comparable facts and then we'll look at the results.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
You are, again, making a false equivalency: the Pakistan violence involves large mobs rioting, is a semi frequent occurrence, and is rarely punished, unless its in response to international pressure. Clearly this is different than rare incidents of arson, which are carried out in secret, and that are heavily prosecuted under the law.
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Do try and keep up, Chuck. You've taken my post out of context.

I was referring to an earlier post of Grant's relating to the religious adherence to the Golden Rule. In this instance, Grant expressed the superiority of Christianity over Islam based on the Golden Rule. Grant is wrong. No religion has a leg to stand on in terms of the Golden Rule. No religion is more superior regarding the Golden Rule in terms of the adherence of its practitioners.
 
DA60 said:
Okaaaaaaay....well, I admire that you actually admit it.

Funny I seem to recall a noteworthy man in history who also judged people by their religious affiliation.

Oh what was his name?

Oh yes...Adolf Hitler.


Have a nice day.
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LOL!!
You keep saying 'have a nice day' but I'm beginning to doubt your sincerity.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Do try and keep up, Chuck. You've taken my post out of context.

I was referring to an earlier post of Grant's relating to the religious adherence to the Golden Rule. In this instance, Grant expressed the superiority of Christianity over Islam based on the Golden Rule. Grant is wrong. No religion has a leg to stand on in terms of the Golden Rule. No religion is more superior regarding the Golden Rule in terms of the adherence of its practitioners.
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Actually you are wrong and the facts are quite clear. We need go no further than to look at the treatment of women and Gays in the Islamic dominated communities. Do you see any sign of a Golden Rule, or anything like it, there?
 
Grant said:
LOL!!
You keep saying 'have a nice day' but I'm beginning to doubt your sincerity.
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Believe whatever you want.

I am not wasting any more time talking to someone that actually judges someone on their religious affiliation.

I don't waste my time with religious bigots.


Have a nice day.
 
Risky Thicket said:
LOL! I did in a post to RA just above #221.
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And I responded to that bit of silliness. Do you honestly feel that compares to what Muslims have done on an international level over the past generation or so? Have you no perspective whatsoever?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Do try and keep up, Chuck. You've taken my post out of context.
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You weren't trying to draw a comparison between the two? I fail to see what other reason you would cite the incidents in this thread

Risky Thicket said:
was referring to an earlier post of Grant's relating to the religious adherence to the Golden Rule. In this instance, Grant expressed the superiority of Christianity over Islam based on the Golden Rule. Grant is wrong. No religion has a leg to stand on in terms of the Golden Rule. No religion is more superior regarding the Golden Rule in terms of the adherence of its practitioners.
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The incidents of such violence in both the religions is totally disproportionate on the side of muslims. So i am not sure it actually helps your case. You're better off citing the fact that any and all religions are open to interpretation and that views are hardly monolithic within them
 
DA60 said:
Believe whatever you want.

I am not wasting any more time talking to someone that actually judges someone on their religious affiliation.

I don't waste my time with religious bigots.


Have a nice day.
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You certainly are a persistent little cuss!

Rest easy. I'm having a nice day.
 
DA60 said:
I am not wasting any more time talking to someone that actually judges someone on their religious affiliation.
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but you keep replying ...
 
Grant said:
I'm quite concerned that he might put me on his ignore list!
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Right, nothing worse than someone that needs to keep reminding you that you are being ignored
 
Grant said:
I'm quite concerned that he might put me on his ignore list!
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lol, He is now so uninterested that he felt the need to remind me via PM
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah, you should read up on europe between 500 AD and about 1600 AD, you wouldn't believe the atrocities the christians committed in the name of god.

That doesn't hold a candle to the millions of people who were killed by officially atheistic governments such as the USSR and Communist China.

In 2013 they're not. Does that excuse the hundreds of years that they did do that?
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The US Constitution forbids the issuance of bills of attainder. That means that a person can't be held culpable for the crimes of his forbears because it is so utterly unjust to do so. Why do you insist on holding modern day Christians culpable for those ancient crimes of previous Christians when it is so un-American to do so? If modern day Christians don't do these things, and, in fact, completely condemn that sort of practice, then that should be good enough for the likes of you. You who hardly have innocent intellectual forbears and an innocent ideological past to hold out. I am thinking here of the millions of people who were slaughtered not in the distant past but in the 20th century by officially atheistic states.
 
Grant said:
Actually you are wrong and the facts are quite clear. We need go no further than to look at the treatment of women and Gays in the Islamic dominated communities. Do you see any sign of a Golden Rule, or anything like it, there?
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Who are you talking about? I'll tell you. You are talking about extremists, but you are labeling an entire religion. In this case, Islam. Because some Christian extremists treat women and gays the same way, do you then label all of Christianity? There are extremists who claim every faith. Extremism is wrong, not the entire faith.
 
Grant said:
And I responded to that bit of silliness. Do you honestly feel that compares to what Muslims have done on an international level over the past generation or so? Have you no perspective whatsoever?
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You don't really know the recent history of the region, do you?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Who are you talking about? I'll tell you. You are talking about extremists, but you are labeling an entire religion. In this case, Islam. Because some Christian extremists treat women and gays the same way, do you then label all of Christianity? There are extremists who claim every faith. Extremism is wrong, not the entire faith.
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This is not for the squeamish, but it is live coverage of Gay Iranians being hanged. There are also videos of women shot through the head, as well as little girls murdered on their way to school. In fact this 'extremism' is so wide spread that it had become global and hardly makes the mainstream news anymore. LiveLeak.com - Hanging of five alleged homosexuals in Iran

You can show me nothing in Christianity that remotely compares to what the Islamists are doing, and have been doing for the past generation,
 
Grant said:
This is not for the squeamish, but it is live coverage of Gay Iranians being hanged. There are also videos of women shot through the head, as well as little girls murdered on their way to school. In fact this 'extremism' is so wide spread that it had become global and hardly makes the mainstream news anymore. LiveLeak.com - Hanging of five alleged homosexuals in Iran

You can show me nothing in Christianity that remotely compares to what the Islamists are doing, and have been doing for the past generation,
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It finally boils down to hanging gay people in Iran. That, you say, is why Christianity is superior. We don't hang people from trees, bomb churches, drag people to death behind pickup trucks, tie them to fences and beat them to death and we certainly never never had angry mobs hang anyone from trees. Yeah, looks as if we are superior. That gives us the right to hate.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Who are you talking about? I'll tell you. You are talking about extremists, but you are labeling an entire religion. In this case, Islam. Because some Christian extremists treat women and gays the same way, do you then label all of Christianity? There are extremists who claim every faith. Extremism is wrong, not the entire faith.
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Actually those views are just as much part of fundamentalism as they are extremism, and are held by many more in the islamic world than some insignificant minority. In fact, al-Qaradawi, a hugely mainstream figure, has called for the killing of gays, the beating of women, and the death of apostates on his television show, and faced absolutely no backlash from the incidents.

Hence, it serves as another example for people trying to equivocate between the two religions. Because we got a man who says things the phelps clan doesn't even openly endorse blaring such idiocy on a network television station


<<<Muslim publics offer mixed views of gender segregation in the workplace. Pakistani Muslims are the most supportive: 85% say they would favor making segregation of men and women in the workplace the law in their country. A narrower majority (54%) of Muslims in Egypt also support making gender segregation the law in their country.

Opinions are more divided in Jordan and Nigeria. Half of Jordanian Muslims favor gender segregation and 44% oppose it. Among Nigerian Muslims, nearly the same percentage favor making segregation of men and women in the workplace the law in their country (49%) as oppose it (48%).

In Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia, majorities of Muslims reject legalized gender segregation in the workplace. More than eight-in-ten in Lebanon (89%) and Turkey (84%) express this opinion, as do 59% of Muslims in Indonesia.>>>

Again, we are shown "moderate" indonesia, where only 41% of the Muslim population supports legal segregation.

PS and before people cite turkey and lebenon as proof that of mainstream moderate islam, you guys should research their unique cultural and historical legacy, and how that is at odds with the rest of the islamic world. They are very atypical, but are still dealing with very serious issues with both fundamentalism and extremism
 
Risky Thicket said:
It finally boils down to hanging gay people in Iran. That, you say, is why Christianity is superior. We don't hang people from trees, bomb churches, drag people to death behind pickup trucks, tie them to fences and beat them to death and we certainly never never had angry mobs hang anyone from trees. Yeah, looks as if we are superior. That gives us the right to hate.
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Risky, again, people acting outside the whims of society are not the same as a state govt carrying out executions, or even allowing such. You kill someone for being gay in America you will be targeted by law enforcement. Pakistan, if it isn't an element of the govt carrying out the crime, it's likely to be ignored.

A HUGE ****ING DIFFERENCE THAT YOU SEEM COMPLETELY INVESTED IN IGNORING.
 
Risky Thicket said:
How about Christians blowing up Muslim houses with drones?
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Why do you think they get attacked - because of stunts like this.

Furthermore our military isn't attacking Muslims because of their faith, unlike these Muslims attacking these Christians that have absolutely nothing to do with the US military or US policies.

Besides our military isn't all Christian so your point is moot.
 
things are getting back when even Mr. Nick can offer a serious rebuttal to your argument
 
Risky Thicket said:
Who are you talking about? I'll tell you. You are talking about extremists, but you are labeling an entire religion. In this case, Islam. Because some Christian extremists treat women and gays the same way, do you then label all of Christianity? There are extremists who claim every faith. Extremism is wrong, not the entire faith.
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Of course you know that people like Grant are anti-Islamics.

They have decided that the religion itself is to blame and that all those practising are to be judged as potential terrorists.

That kind of gigantic ignorance is similar to bigots against women and 'blacks' and all other prejudices.

Logic does not work with these people (I used to try until I realized it is useless - Iusually just throw a few facts at them, determine from their responses if they seem 'balanced' or not and then leave them alone if they are not - lol. Life is too short to waste on the emotionally disturbed).

You cannot reason with hate.

You can only hope it passes and common sense can one day prevail.


But I applaud your efforts (and the other like-minded members in this thread) to fight the good fight
 
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Risky Thicket said:
It finally boils down to hanging gay people in Iran.
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What?? Do you want more atrocities? Have been living in a cave for the past 20 years?

That, you say, is why Christianity is superior.
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No, there are a number of reasons and that Christians do not hang Gays in public displays is just one of them.

We don't hang people from trees, bomb churches, drag people to death behind pickup trucks, tie them to fences and beat them to death and we certainly never never had angry mobs hang anyone from trees. Yeah, looks as if we are superior.
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Right. It's all illegal.

That gives us the right to hate.
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Best speak for yourself here, but it seems clear that Muslims are the haters. Hating Gays is just one example.
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