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AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

Grant said:
I said "An Islamic dominated country". It seems you are now moving beyond an error into deliberate obfuscation.
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I would take that to mean the dominate religious views of the people, and not the govt, as well
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm saying that if a christian dictator or radicalist were executing people for laws written in the bible, you'd throw a hissy fit if someone tried to associate you with him.
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Yes, because I don't hold such views. But if you mean I am unfairly stereotyping Muslims, then no. I am commenting on polling data that measured the prevalence of such attitudes among islamic populations. Citing such facts about a population isn't vilifying it. Hell, I even stressed that it was unfair to judge all muslims by such nations, even IF held by a majority..
 
Grant said:
I said "An Islamic dominated country". It seems you are now moving beyond an error into deliberate obfuscation.

Is·lam·ism (s-lämzm, z-, sl-, z-)
n.
1. An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life.
2. The religious faith, principles, or cause of Islam.
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I am merely stating facts.

'Islamism' and an 'Islamic dominated' country are two different things.

dom·i·na·tion (dm-nshn)
n.
1.
a. Control or power over another or others.
b. The exercise of such control or power.

domination - definition of domination by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

If the majority of a freely democratic country is Muslim/Islamic, then they have political domination over that country.


If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with the people that wrote the dictionary.
 
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Grant said:
because I try to justify the burning down of people's homes?

Actually I'm against it. I'm a Golden Rule kinda guy.
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So you would want to be judged negatively, strictly on the basis of your religious affiliation - which you seem to be doing here?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Actually places like Pakistan and Egypt poll 80% among the islamic population in support of executing people who change their religion. Which, while I wouldn't describe it as radical (because they are looking to the state for such action), it would certainly be violent
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factual links?
whats that have to do with the billions on the planet?
 
FluffyNinja said:
RabidAlpaca posted this:



Then you quoted him, boldened the part above and responded with this:



the fact is, his "one million" figure was just made up.......no real basis for it whatsover..........and you defend it as "logic" and "common sense"........how silly! :lol:
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translation, you cant do what i asked because you made it up and his point and my point still stands because it based off of common sense :shrug:

thanks, thats what i thought

the only thing silly is how dishonest you are :shrug:

ill state again:
the point was falsely grouping people together based on the actions of some is illogical, dishonest, uneducated and or bigoted :shrug:

so yes my actual logic is sound since its based on common sense

let me know when you have anything that shows otherwise :D
 
Objective-J said:
factual links?
whats that have to do with the billions on the planet?
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1) http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694

2) It highlights large segments of the world islamic population supports fundamentally violent interpretations of their religion

3) The post you were offering an opinion on made a remark about 1 million violent muslims at the most. See here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550680

Pakistan has 177 milion people, with 96% being muslim. That would mean there are many more than a million muslims, in pakistan alone, who support executing people for changing their religion
 
DA60 said:
I am merely stating facts.

'Islamism' and an 'Islamic dominated' country are two different things.

dom·i·na·tion (dm-nshn)
n.
1.
a. Control or power over another or others.
b. The exercise of such control or power.

domination - definition of domination by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

If the majority of a freely democratic country is Muslim/Islamic, then they have political domination over that country.
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Not necessarily. They may vote for the political party of their choice, just as Christians and other religions do.


If you have a problem with that, I suggest you take it up with the people that wrote the dictionary.
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I've already quoted the dictionary. You're just getting confused between Muslim and Islamic, as though they were the same thing.
 
Objective-J said:
translation, you cant do what i asked because you made it up and his point and my point still stands because it based off of common sense :shrug:

thanks, thats what i thought

the only thing silly is how dishonest you are :shrug:

ill state again:
the point was falsely grouping people together based on the actions of some is illogical, dishonest, uneducated and or bigoted :shrug:

so yes my actual logic is sound since its based on common sense

let me know when you have anything that shows otherwise :D
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Your point was that HIS post reflected common sense and logic.....which it did not. You've evidently done nothing more than succeeded in confusing yourself.

Once again, made up numbers do not justify a "logical" approach. I'm sorry that you let emotion get the best of you and simply chose the wrong post to like and quote in an attept to help strengthen your position. Your ability to back-peddle is quite a sight behold, however. :shrug:
 
Risky Thicket said:
How about Christians blowing up Muslim houses with drones?
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this was really your first thought?.. seriously?.. not " damn, those dudes are assholes" or " damn extremists, they are ****ed up for targeting innocent people"




wow.... incredible.
 
Thrilla said:
this was really your first thought?.. seriously?.. not " damn, those dudes are assholes" or " damn extremists, they are ****ed up for targeting innocent people"




wow.... incredible.
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Speaks volumes, does it not? :shrug:
 
DA60 said:
So you would want to be judged negatively, strictly on the basis of your religious affiliation - which you seem to be doing here?
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What religious affiliation is that?
 
Grant said:
There are other factors as to why the Christian religion is superior to Islam, with The Golden Rule probably being chief among them.
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Excellent! By your own words we will establish that Christianity is not superior to Islam. Having learned the truth you may now change your mistaken beliefs.

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Risky Thicket said:
Excellent! By your own words we will establish that Christianity is not superior to Islam. Having learned the truth you may now change your mistaken beliefs.

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The Golden Rule is something many, obviously, want to live by but it is sometimes a struggle to achieve.

I notice that the 13th of the 40 hadiths of mohamed says that "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself".

Sexism aside, it's not clear how that equates with "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". What does that have to do with being 'a believer' or not? Keep in mind what this same guy had to say about Jews, and any other 'infidels'.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, because I don't hold such views. But if you mean I am unfairly stereotyping Muslims, then no. I am commenting on polling data that measured the prevalence of such attitudes among islamic populations. Citing such facts about a population isn't vilifying it. Hell, I even stressed that it was unfair to judge all muslims by such nations, even IF held by a majority..
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"Citing such facts" requires citing facts. You haven't cited any sources whatsoever. So I'd like to see some sources supporting your notion that the majority of muslims are violent and radical.
 
Grant said:
Not necessarily. They may vote for the political party of their choice, just as Christians and other religions do.




I've already quoted the dictionary. You're just getting confused between Muslim and Islamic, as though they were the same thing.
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They are - as I have already showed you with links to a dictionary. The definition of Muslim is that your religion is islam. The definition of Islam is that it is the religion of Muslims.

You obviously see things the way you want to see them - facts or no facts.


In my opinion, I proved your statements to me initially were incorrect.

You disagree?

That is your right - plus, I did not for a second think someone like you would change his mind on this.

I just did this for the benefit of those with an open mind on the subject.

So be it.


Have a nice day.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
"Citing such facts" requires citing facts.
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Yes, which is why I "cited such facts"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694

RabidAlpaca said:
You haven't cited any sources whatsoever.
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Indeed I have


RabidAlpaca said:
So I'd like to see some sources supporting your notion that the majority of muslims are violent and radical.
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1) you're now shifting goal posts. You originally wrote " I'd like to see your reference showing that more than 1 million muslims are actually personally violent and radical."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-17.html#post1061550803

2) I originally wrote "fundamentalism may be embraced by a majority."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536

And while your claim is clearly false, mine seems a fair assumption, given the number we have
 
Grant said:
The Golden Rule is something many, obviously, want to live by but it is sometimes a struggle to achieve.
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And you know it to be a fact that Christians are better than Muslims at achieving the Golden Rule because....?
 
DA60 said:
You obviously see things the way you want to see them.
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rather ironic coming from someone who simply dismisses data he doesn't like ...
 
Grant said:
because I try to justify the burning down of people's homes?

Actually I'm against it. I'm a Golden Rule kinda guy.
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I believe Risky Thisket posted a chart showing that most religions preach the golden rule. This is really based on you jumping to prove the christianity is somehow superior to islam.

Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, which is why I "cited such facts"

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-14.html#post1061550694



Indeed I have




1) you're now shifting goal posts. You originally wrote " I'd like to see your reference showing that more than 1 million muslims are actually personally violent and radical."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...orches-christian-homes-17.html#post1061550803

2) I originally wrote "fundamentalism may be embraced by a majority."

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...torches-christian-homes-9.html#post1061550536

And while your claim is clearly false, mine seems a fair assumption, given the number we have
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You do realize that linking to posts within this thread, that also didn't contain links, is not sourcing your ridiculous claims, right?
 
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