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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

your own links prove me right, thanks. they say that these problems occur in 6 to 10 1/2 percent of all pregnancies, which, combined with the fact that prenatal care prevents them, of course means they occur in the vast majority of pregnancies without proper prenatal care. thank you for validating the fact that the rate of severe medical problems in pregnancies with proper prenatal care, is between 0% and 1%

Maybe you missed this sentence:


The Mayo Clinic states that there is no known way to prevent preeclampsia from developing.

Read more: Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com
 
she didnt put words in your mouth at all
and why do you keep focusing on your opinion of the percentages, its the force that matters

if percentages is all that matters to you abortion is SAFER than giving birth and WAY less than .1% of sex leads to abortion so i guess you shouldn't worry about in then since the percentage is low, right?

thinik you can be honest for a second and tell us why you think its ok to force people against their will to risk their lives?

while you are at it, feel free to answer the questions you keep dodging too. Why are you scared to answer them?

Keep on lying, Troll, it really helps my case. Everyone can read my posts and see I'm not advocating force against women, I'm advocating proper prenatal care because it prevents women from being FORCED to choose between their own death and the death of the child, and FORCE is bad, therefore I'm right, as anyone who is against FORCE would agree. Oh by the way, please post the percentage of abortions for non-medical reasons in which the abortion causes death, thank you in advance.
 
Maybe you missed this sentence:


Read more: Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com

The Treatments for Pre-Eclampsia; (It is treatable) Medications
Your doctor may recommend the following:

Medications to lower blood pressure. These medications, called antihypertensives, are used to lower your blood pressure until delivery.
Corticosteroids. If you have severe preeclampsia or HELLP syndrome, corticosteroid medications can temporarily improve liver and platelet functioning to help prolong your pregnancy. Corticosteroids can also help your baby's lungs become more mature in as little as 48 hours — an important step in helping a premature baby prepare for life outside the womb.
Anticonvulsive medications. If your preeclampsia is severe, your doctor may prescribe an anticonvulsive medication, such as magnesium sulfate, to prevent a first seizure.

Bed rest
If you aren't near the end of your pregnancy and you have a mild case of preeclampsia, your doctor may recommend bed rest to lower your blood pressure and increase blood flow to your placenta, giving your baby time to mature. You may need to lie in bed, only sitting and standing when necessary. Or you may be able to sit on the couch or in bed and strictly limit your activities. Your doctor may want to see you a few times a week to check your blood pressure, urine protein levels and your baby's well-being.

If you have more severe preeclampsia, you may need bed rest in the hospital. In the hospital, you may have regular nonstress tests or biophysical profiles to monitor your baby's well-being and measure the volume of amniotic fluid. A lack of amniotic fluid is a sign of poor blood supply to the baby. __________________________________________________________________________________(My source of Information: The Mayo Clinic. Ironic, huh? The same people you used as proof that not all medical conditions can be prevented or cured. I never said all medical conditions could be prevented or cured, I said that with proper prenatal care, the mother's life isn't in danger. If the Mayo Clinic Disagreed with me on that, they would recommend abortion for pre-eclampsia. And they do not. Preeclampsia: Treatments and drugs - MayoClinic.com
 
1.)Keep on lying, Troll, it really helps my case.
2.)Everyone can read my posts and see I'm not advocating force against women,
3.)I'm advocating proper prenatal care because it prevents women from being FORCED to choose between their own death and the death of the child, and FORCE is bad, therefore I'm right, as anyone who is against FORCE would agree. 4.)Oh by the way, please post the percentage of abortions for non-medical reasons in which the abortion causes death, thank you in advance.

1.)nobody lied you said it LMAO

here is YOUR EXACT POST/WOUTE

Pelvic Floor Disease is preventable with prenatal care. Killing a baby because it's cheaper than medical costs isn't a human right. Neither is Killing a baby to avoid looking older afterward. NOT. A. HUMAN. RIGHT. PERIOD. Now, if the mother's life were in danger and prenatal care couldn't prevent it from being in danger, then abortion would be a human right. but that doesn't happen so IT'S. nOT. A. HUMAN . RIGHT. TO . KILL. ANOTHER . HUMAN. JUST . BECAUSE . YOU . FEEL . LIKE. IT. PERIOD.

you said it right in this post that prenatal care prevents the mothers life from being in danger, this is 100% false, you said it so stop posting lies that you didnt LOL

would you like MORE prove you are posting lies?

2.) if you are for banning abortion you are for force
3.) this is factually 100% wrong, proper natal care doesnt not stop the choice of their death
4.) the percentage doesnt matter


now if you would please answer the question you keep dodging because you know the prov you wrong and expose your broken logic.
 
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Yeah sure *eyeroll like a teenager* just because being pregnant isn't any more dangerous than living an ordinary life while not pregnant, don't give me the right to say that a woman can't have an abortion to prevent the risk of death by pregnancy, and then having an abortion and having NOT reducing her risk of death by doing so! <---Sarcasm like a teenager

1.) your post doesnt make any logical sense
2.) again you are missing the FORCE part

its all about force

you can focus on RISK all you want but you cant FORCE risk on somebody

for example

me and you are on a plane, you have 100 hours logged at sky diving, you have two chutes, perfectly packed, you an expert by now

BUT for whatever reason you decide you do not want to jump out the plane today

so I push you out the plane against your will since i know theres less than a 1% risk you will die

did i commit a crime?
could i be charged with a crime?
maybe a crime as high as reckless endangerment or attempted murder?

better yet what if that less than 1% is today and you do die, both your chutes dont open in a freak accident

do you think ill be charged with a type of murder?


or, because the risk was less than 1% i did nothing wrong and it was absolutely ok for me to force you against your will to risk you life since you know, the risk is so low




like i said, theres factually risk and you have no right to force that on anybody against their will.

this is not a hard concept, even IF you are a teenager. .

stop running and dodging, why have you not answered the bolded questions? we are waiting?
 
1.)nobody lied you said it LMAO

here is YOUR EXACT POST/WOUTE



you said it right in this post that prenatal care prevents the mothers life from being in danger, this is 100% false, you said it so stop posting lies that you didnt LOL

would you like MORE prove you are posting lies?

2.) if you are for banning abortion you are for force
3.) this is factually 100% wrong, proper natal care doesnt not stop the choice of their death
4.) the percentage doesnt matter


now if you would please answer the question you keep dodging because you know the prov you wrong and expose your broken logic.

wow you just keep digging yourself ever, ever deeper with your blatant lies. . I take back what I said, you are an entertaining Troll, not a boring one.
 
wow you just keep digging yourself ever, ever deeper with your blatant lies. . I take back what I said, you are an entertaining Troll, not a boring one.

what lies, i posted proof and facts, your own words prove you said that LMAO

keep trying everyone see it right there in black and white :D

and you didnt answer my questions AGAIN :laughat:

I wonder why :D
 
what lies, i posted proof and facts, your own words prove you said that LMAO

keep trying everyone see it right there in black and white :D

and you didnt answer my questions AGAIN :laughat:

I wonder why :D

you didn't ask any real question, you phrased blatantly false accusations in the form of questions. You really can't compare that the the questions I asked you, that you refused to answer, they weren't accusations.
 
your own links prove me right, thanks. they say that these problems occur in 6 to 10 1/2 percent of all pregnancies, which, combined with the fact that prenatal care prevents them, of course means they occur in the vast majority of pregnancies without proper prenatal care. thank you for validating the fact that the rate of severe medical problems in pregnancies with proper prenatal care, is between 0% and 1%

Maybe you missed this sentence:

The Mayo Clinic states that there is no known way to prevent preeclampsia from developing.

Read more: Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com Pregnant Woman's Diet & Toxemia | eHow.com

The Treatments for Pre-Eclampsia; (It is treatable) Medications
Your doctor may recommend the following:

You said prenatal care prevents them and then you list treatments for preeclapisa.

Prevention and treatments are 2 different things.

I know about HELLP syndrome which is thought to be a varient of preeclamsia.
My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
C section.

BTW: my daughter had very good prenatal care from the time she found out she was pregnant ( about 4 to 6 weeks gestation ) until the day she went to the hospital and had her emergency C section.

She was getting a pain on left side of her back just below her ribs which was caused because she was bleeding into the liver.
Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because she had so much bleeding into the liver.


Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.
My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year develope 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 women who do die every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who had severe complications.
Every year in the U.S., up to 8 percent, or 300,000, of pregnant or postpartum women develop preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome.

Roughly 300 women die, and another 75,000 women experience “near misses”—severe complications and injury such as organ failure, massive blood loss, permanent disability, and premature birth or death of their babies. Usually, the disease resolves with the birth of the baby and placenta. But, it can occur postpartum—indeed, most maternal deaths occur after delivery.

Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today - The Daily Beast
 
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1.)you didn't ask any real question, you phrased blatantly false accusations in the form of questions. 2.)You really can't compare that the the questions I asked you, that you refused to answer, they weren't accusations.
1.) this is a lie, i asked honest question you are scared to answer because they prove you wrong (see below)
2.) this is also a lie, i answered your questions and even gave you a post number where LOL

would you like to stay on topic and actually address the issues or will you continue failed insults?

its all about force

you can focus on RISK all you want but you cant FORCE risk on somebody

for example

me and you are on a plane, you have 100 hours logged at sky diving, you have two chutes, perfectly packed, you an expert by now

BUT for whatever reason you decide you do not want to jump out the plane today

so I push you out the plane against your will since i know theres less than a 1% risk you will die

did i commit a crime?
could i be charged with a crime?
maybe a crime as high as reckless endangerment or attempted murder?

better yet what if that less than 1% is today and you do die, both your chutes dont open in a freak accident

do you think ill be charged with a type of murder?


or, because the risk was less than 1% i did nothing wrong and it was absolutely ok for me to force you against your will to risk you life since you know, the risk is so low



like i said, theres factually risk and you have no right to force that on anybody against their will.

this are honest question no matter what you say lol
lets see if you answer or dodge them again and us failed insults. :D
 
Arkansas passed a law earlier this week to criminalize the killing of a fetus, excluding legal abortion, from the moment of conception.

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — The Arkansas Senate voted unanimously Monday to criminalize the killing of a fetus from the moment of conception, which backers say will protect mothers but abortion rights advocates warn is aimed at further restricting the procedure in a state that already has the nation's most restrictive law.

The measure passed by the Senate 35-0 does not apply to legal abortions or acts by the mother, but would apply to criminal acts and wrongful death actions in civil court. Current law defines a 12-week-old fetus as an unborn child.

The bill was approved less than a week after the Republican-led Legislature enacted a ban on most abortions 12 weeks into a pregnancy, overriding Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe's veto of the measure. Abortion rights groups plan to sue the state in federal court over the ban, which Beebe has called unconstitutional.

Full Story: Ark. Senate expands definition of unborn child

Are there any other states where fetal homicide starts at conception? It looks like they are seeking a SCOTUS challenge from as many angles as possible.
 
It looks like they are seeking a SCOTUS challenge from as many angles as possible.

They proably are. However, the best they are going to be able to do IMO is get it lowered from 24 but not by that much.

Their tactic is quite obvious. Make a law outragous (at the point of conseption), but then accept something lower than 24 weeks from a SCOTUS ruling.

I don't think we'll see a time where abortion is completely outlawed unless there is a process that is developed to remove the fetus from the woman to grow elsewhere.
 
yes it is a fact, if you disagree by al lmean prove otherwise Id LOVE to hear it

my verbiage may be a little off, maybe i shouldnt say "want" but want, ok with, willing to risk etc all fit

here ill revamp

banning abortion factually forces woman to risk thier lives against there will

this is 100% fact, as i already said, if you disagree factually prove otherwise

Again, show me those who are willing to risk women's lives?? Not every women who has is pregnant is risking her life. If that were the case the mortality rate for women giving birth would be through the roof.
 
yes im well aware of what your OPINION is

the fact still remains that pregnancy is a factual risk of life, there is not changing this fact

you could debate how much risk but the risk is always there and you have no right forcing anybody to risk their life against their will

in your next post please refrain from making stuff up
i never mentioned any of the nonsense you stated LMAO do you do that to make yourself feel right about your opinion? honest posters see right through this LOL

fact remains, pregnancy is a risk to life PERIOD

cant wait to read what you make up next

There is risk in abortion as well. Haven't you heard?
 
You're losing it! Killing me won't make you prettier or prevent you from getting uglier. Some effects from pregnancy/childbirth are not "a minor nuisance", and anyway what is a minor nuisance to you may be a major problem for someone else. But things like pelvic floor damage are not minor. Certainly if you think the pregnancy/childbirth is making you ugly, you have the right to end it.

On the other hand, aborting a healthy baby can make you even uglier.
 
1.)Again, show me those who are willing to risk women's lives??
2.)Not every women who has is pregnant is risking her life.
3.)If that were the case the mortality rate for women giving birth would be through the roof.

1.) already did
2.) false, yes ALL woman are factually doing this
3.) no it would not, the mortality rate would be high if the risk was high

so again, banning abortion forces woman to risk their lives against their will, this is a simple fact
 
There is risk in abortion as well. Haven't you heard?

you are 100% correct! Its lower than giving birth and if people were trying to FORCE woman to get them id be agaisnt that too!

seems you are missing the basic facts, its the force that is the issue, not the risk alone
 
you are 100% correct! Its lower than giving birth and if people were trying to FORCE woman to get them id be agaisnt that too!

seems you are missing the basic facts, its the force that is the issue, not the risk alone

Of course he is missing "facts" considering that you seem to be able to make them up in your own head...What you said here is patently false.

According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term.

Abortion Risks: A list of major physical complications related to abortion | After Abortion
 
On the other hand, aborting a healthy baby can make you even uglier.

Beauty, or lack of it, is in the eyes of the beholder. So you're free to make your own judgement on that.
 
Of course he is missing "facts" considering that you seem to be able to make them up in your own head...What you said here is patently false.

and the studies done here in america say otherwise :shrug: and there have been more than your one posted here
Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters

Dr. Elizabeth Raymond from Gynuity Health Projects in New York City and Dr. David Grimes of the University of North Carolina School of Medicine, Chapel Hill, found that between 1998 and 2005, one woman died during childbirth for every 11,000 or so babies born.

That compared to one woman of every 167,000 who died from a legal abortion.

The researchers also cited a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which found that, from 1998 to 2001, the most common complications associated with pregnancy -- including high blood pressure, urinary tract infections and mental health conditions -- happened more often in women who had a live birth than those who got an abortion.

if you are gonna try to jump in please know what you are talking about

so NOPE its not false LMAO

not to mention if you are paying attention the part doesnt change anything even if we lived in finland

the discussion is about FORCE, :laughat:
 
and the studies done here in america say otherwise :shrug: and there have been more than your one posted here
Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters



if you are gonna try to jump in please know what you are talking about

so NOPE its not false LMAO

not to mention if you are paying attention the part doesnt change anything even if we lived in finland

the discussion is about FORCE, :laughat:


No, the studies are different...They are not apples to apples. Plus, I agree it is about force, liberals forcing their values on the rest of society through judicial fiat.

Like I said before, and maintain, pro abortion is all about easing their own conscience by renaming what it is they are killing. It is deplorable.

Why do liberals hate children?
 
Of course he is missing "facts" considering that you seem to be able to make them up in your own head...What you said here is patently false.

We are talking about risk of death from childbirth and abortions that take place in the United States at or within days of giving birth or having an abortion.
 
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