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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

If you think the SCOTUS is so damn great then go learn some Latin.

You think those nuts sound so sophisticated when the talk their junk in Latin? Most of the time what they're saying in Latin translates into stupid **** like: "A man dropped a rock on my foot therefore I can drop a turtle on his head" and they use that nonsense as a formal analogy.

We let massive idiots control this country.

res ipsa loquitur
 
None of those laws define a fetus as a person, nor do they address the issue of abortion

They define the act of killing an unborn person as homicide, obviously that was overridden, in the narrow case defined by the Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision, in the case of an authorized abortion. Homicide is strictly the killing of a person, not relieving a potential mother of a burdensome tissue mass.
 
They define the act of killing an unborn person as homicide, obviously that was overridden, in the narrow case defined by the Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision, in the case of an authorized abortion. Homicide is strictly the killing of a person, not relieving a potential mother of a burdensome tissue mass.

Homicide is the killing of another human, not the killing of a person

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article125.htm#p125.00

Furthermore, the laws you cite may define the word person (as used in the law you cited) to include the unborn. However, that doesn't change the meaning of the word "person" as used in the constitution
 
Homicide is the killing of another human, not the killing of a person

Article 125 - Penal Law - Homicide, Abortion and Related Offenses

Furthermore, the laws you cite may define the word person (as used in the law you cited) to include the unborn. However, that doesn't change the meaning of the word "person" as used in the constitution

Very weak argument if you must resort to legal (dictionary?) hairsplitting over human vs. person.

hu·man

Adjective - Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings.

Noun - A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

Synonyms - 1) adjective. humane 2) noun. man - person - human being - individual - soul - mortal

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per.son

Noun
1. A human being regarded as an individual.
2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

Synonyms man - individual - personage - character - figure
 
Very weak argument if you must resort to legal (dictionary?) hairsplitting over human vs. person.

hu·man

Adjective - Of, relating to, or characteristic of people or human beings.

Noun - A human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.

Synonyms - 1) adjective. humane 2) noun. man - person - human being - individual - soul - mortal

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per.son

Noun
1. A human being regarded as an individual.
2. Used in legal or formal contexts to refer to an unspecified individual.

Synonyms man - individual - personage - character - figure

Not really hairsplitting because "person" (and variants of the word) is the word used in the constitution, not human

However, the first point is not as important as the second (ie it doesn't matter how some state laws defines the word person. When it comes to the word as used in the constitution, it is SCOTUS who determines what it means)
 
You have gotten answers to every question you asked, but you are unable to answer my one question:

Where does the constitution say that the govt has the power to ban or regulate abortion?

are you delusional?

WHERE have i made such a statement?

i have stated over and over to you, i have not stated any such thing.......yet you persist, as if you trying to prove a point, which cannot be proven.

please, stop asking me a question, for a statement WHICH I HAVE NOT MADE.
 
are you delusional?

WHERE have i made such a statement?

i have stated over and over to you, i have not stated any such thing.......yet you resist, as if you trying to prove a point, which cannot be proven.

please, stop asking me a question, for a statement WHICH I HAVE NOT MADE.

Again, I havent said that ever stated such thing. I asked you a question about something you have not stated - just as you have done dozens of times in this thread.

And since you continue to ask questions about things no one has stated, I will continue to ask you questions about things that you never made any statements about

Where does the constitution say that the govt has the power to ban or regulate abortion?
 
Dude libertarians can't be pro-choice. That violates the basic principals of being a libertarian - the right to life - the right to individualism.

As far as I'm concerned abortion should be treated as murder.

Government shouldn't be legalizing or endorsing murder, however they are with death panels and abortion.

well i am stating a fact their are some libertarians who are pro choice,...i cant really say more than that.

unless, you can find a term, for a person believing in limited government, maximum freedom to do what with your body.

if you have a name for it please, share it with me.
 
Again, I havent said that ever stated such thing. I asked you a question about something you have not stated - just as you have done dozens of times in this thread.

And since you continue to ask questions about things no one has stated, I will continue to ask you questions about things that you never made any statements about

Where does the constitution say that the govt has the power to ban or regulate abortion?

since you want to ask me that question directly, i will answer.......... it does not say it can ban abortion, however as i did state already once!..........it is in post #517 after you posed the question to me.

governments primary duty is to protect rights.............again its is its primary duty........life is a right.

should government be protecting all human life yes!............is the unborn a human life?.........that is the debate the dividing line of the-----> whole question at hand.

you believe it is not life, i and many others do.....

so it comes down to does a women control her own body, and make her own CHOICES of what she will do with it, OR............ does the state have the power to prevent the killing of the unborn, AND FULFILL ITS PRIMARY DUTY?
 
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since you want to ask me that question directly, i will answer.......... it does not say it can ban abortion, however as i did state already once!..........it is in post #517 after you posed the question to me.

governments primary duty is to protect rights.............again its is its primary duty........life is a right.

should government be protecting all human life yes!............is the unborn a human life?.........that is the debate the dividing line of the-----> whole question at hand.

you believe it is not life, i and many others do.....

so it comes down to does a women control her own body, and make her own CHOICES of what she will do with it, OR............ does the state have the power to prevent the killing of the unborn, AND FULFILL ITS PRIMARY DUTY?

Where does th constitution say that the govt has a duty to protect all human life? Name one place where the constitution refers to "human life"?
 
since you want to ask me that question directly, i will answer.......... it does not say it can ban abortion, however as i did state already once!..........it is in post #517 after you posed the question to me.

governments primary duty is to protect rights.............again its is its primary duty........life is a right.

should government be protecting all human life yes!............is the unborn a human life?.........that is the debate the dividing line of the-----> whole question at hand.

you believe it is not life, i and many others do.....

so it comes down to does a women control her own body, and make her own CHOICES of what she will do with it, OR............ does the state have the power to prevent the killing of the unborn, AND FULFILL ITS PRIMARY DUTY?

So you advocate a barefaced Big Brother government, wow..............................
 
So you advocate a barefaced Big Brother government, wow..............................

no, i question is the government fulfilling its role, by doing its delegated duty under the BOR.

their are those saying it is, and those saying it is not..i am on the side of NOT.

government doing its delegated duties is not big brother..........big brother is going outside its delegated duties, which there are 18 only ...and instituting things like welfare, education, housing, to name a few.
 
no, i question is the government fulfilling its role, by doing its delegated duty under the BOR.

their are those saying it is, and those saying it is not..i am on the side of NOT.

government doing its delegated duties is not big brother..........big brother is going outside its delegated duties, which there are 18 only ...and instituting things like welfare, education, housing, to name a few.

The government enforcing the wishes of Jesus Christ IS Big Brother.............................
 
no, i question is the government fulfilling its role, by doing its delegated duty under the BOR.

their are those saying it is, and those saying it is not..i am on the side of NOT.

government doing its delegated duties is not big brother..........big brother is going outside its delegated duties, which there are 18 only ...and instituting things like welfare, education, housing, to name a few.

And where, in the BOR, does it say the govt has a duty to protect the rights of all humans?

Those 18 enumerated powers do not include the power to protect the rights of all humans
 
Where does th constitution say that the govt has a duty to protect all human life? Name one place where the constitution refers to "human life"?

really, so your staying government has no duty to protect life.................you must be in favor of the power of the President to kill people then.

the duty of the government is to secure the rights of the people, ....do you not have a right to live................or can anyone treat you like garage , and just kill you without any crime happening.

if you don't understand the basics, of america government..........grab a book and read..........because the right to life, is a basic concept.

and you have made me very sad, .......for posing that question.....:(
 
The SCOTUS isn't in a position to be making those judgments either. They're lawyers not God.

To make matters even worse the Fourteenth Amendment completely contradicts everything the SCOTUS spews on just about every ruling.

Your examples?
 
really, so your staying government has no duty to protect life.................you must be in favor of the power of the President to kill people then.

the duty of the government is to secure the rights of the people, ....do you not have a right to live................or can anyone treat you like garage , and just kill you without any crime happening.

if you don't understand the basics, of america government..........grab a book and read..........because the right to life, is a basic concept.

and you have made me very sad, .......for posing that question.....:(

You are the one who claims the only powers the govt has are those enumerated in the constitution, not me

Yet, you are all too happy to claim that the govt has powers that are not enumerated in the constitution, demostrating that even you don't believe the crap your spew.

So where does the constitution say that the govt has the power and the duty to protect all human life?
 
It's blatantly illegal....

How can a congress pass a law, the president signs it and then it's overturned by a bunch of arbitrators?

Why bother even having a president?

Why not just have a "spokesman" and then let the SCOTUS be the final judge when it comes to legislation - all 9 of them. Let 9 people dictate the US...

The SCOTUS violates the democratic republic process in so many ways it makes the founding principals of this nation a joke to what it is supposed to be.

Most presidents have a department of justice staff that helps make sure what they sign in law is constitutional. The states don't have that, so they can write whatever they want and then it gets challenged as many of the abortion laws are being and have been challenged and overturned.

The SCOTUS was set up BY the founding fathers to have a check and balance on the constitution. Just because you don't like the decisions, does not mean the idea of a court to keep Congress and the President legal is a bad idea.
 
The government enforcing the wishes of Jesus Christ IS Big Brother.............................

who said it was Jesus Christ.

do you believe you can just go out and kill, anyone, ...taking their life.

if you follow those who believe that the unborn is.. life.........then it is illegal to take it.......

their are plenty of libertarians who don't believe in Jesus, but just......respect and hold life dear.
 
If you think the SCOTUS is so damn great then go learn some Latin.

You think those nuts sound so sophisticated when the talk their junk in Latin? Most of the time what they're saying in Latin translates into stupid **** like: "A man dropped a rock on my foot therefore I can drop a turtle on his head" and they use that nonsense as a formal analogy.

We let massive idiots control this country.


Examples of their idiocy?
 
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