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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

ernst barkmann said:
well i was stating that if you have a right to be secure in your person, your body, your property, ...them it applies to all property.

the founders state you have a right to be secure in you property 5th amendment...and that is any property.
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being secure in your property does not mean "you can do anything you want with your property"
 
polgara said:
Okay, Bonz, it's your turn. What is the Right "doing," IYO?
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They are trying to impose specific tenets of their religion on everyone as some sort of universal "morality"....................
 
sangha said:
Wrong

It specifically refers to "the right to vote"

It's always nice to discover another part of the constitution you're willing to ignore
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wrong, its states the right to vote cannot be denied, because of age, gender or previous servitude.

government cannot create a right, the amendment pertaining to, cannot create one
 
ernst barkmann said:
wrong, its states the right to vote cannot be denied, because of age, gender or previous servitude.

government cannot create a right, the amendment pertaining to, cannot create one
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Yes, it clearly states that there is right to vote. You said the opposite

ernst barkmann said:
the voting rights is federal law, you can challenge federal law.

the constitution, provides NO right to vote
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sangha said:
being secure in your property does not mean "you can do anything you want with your property"
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why not, if i am not violating the rights of another person, ....when what is government arguments for stopping me.

remember government protects the rights of the people.
 
ernst barkmann said:
why not, if i am not violating the rights of another person, ....when what is government arguments for stopping me.

remember government protects the rights of the people.
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Why not?

Because the constitution allows the govt to limit your ability to exercise those rights for a variety or reasons
 
sangha said:
Th 15th amend
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That only states those that cannot be denied the right. Show me anywhere in the Constitution where you have an affirmative right to vote just because...
 
ernst barkmann said:
where?

the constitution states the people will vote.........says nothing of a right.

and it puts states in charge of the vote.
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RIght, it says nothing about citizens having the right to vote :roll:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude
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AlabamaPaul said:
That only states those that cannot be denied the right.
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Which means citizens *do* have the right to vote, which they could not have if it did not exist

Show me anywhere in the Constitution where you have an affirmative right to vote just because...
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Show me anywhere in the constitution where it distinguishes between affirmative and negative rights?
 
ernst barkmann said:
where does it say right, the founders state clearly.........voting is regulated, it is based on land ownership and do you pay taxes.
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I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
 
sangha said:
It doesn't say anything about the govt controlling immigration or crime either


Or........wait for it........ABORTION!!
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it gives government naturalization power, the power to make people citizens.....to naturalize, you have to immigrate from some where..this is a foregoing power LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION...ALSO CALLED A FORGOING POWER.

but it gives government NO authority over the people........only pirates, counter-fitters, and traitors.
 
sangha said:
I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
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nothing in the constitution, says government can limit rights.......where does it say government can limit, or control the people?
 
sangha said:
Which means citizens *do* have the right to vote, which they could not have if it did not exist



Show me anywhere in the constitution where it distinguishes between affirmative and negative rights?
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The only original reference for the ability to vote in federal elections was the same as used by each for State elected offices...
 
sangha said:
I already quoted where it say people have a right to vote

And all rights are limited. And now, you're agreeing with me and not realizing how you're contradicting your own argument

But since you're so hung up on what the constitution says, can you show me where the constitution gives govt the power to ban abortion?
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the 15th you quoted speaks of ------->slaves...but does not create a right. government cannot create a right, only a privilege, and voting is a privldge which can be taken away.. by the 14th amendment.
 
ernst barkmann said:
it gives government naturalization power, the power to make people citizens.....to naturalize, you have to immigrate from some where..this is a foregoing power LISTED IN THE CONSTITUTION...ALSO CALLED A FORGOING POWER.

but it gives government NO authority over the people........only pirates, counter-fitters, and traitors.
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Naturalization is not immigration. It merely gives the govt the power to decide who can become a citizen. The constitution does not state the govt has the power to decide who can cross our borders.

And one doesn't have to immigrate here in order to become a US citizen. The constitution says nothing about that.
 
ernst barkmann said:
nothing in the constitution, says government can limit rights.......where does it say government can limit, or control the people?
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No one controls people, but the constitution does say that the govt can limit rights (ex the 15th amend)
 
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