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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

clownboy said:
Only to you, and that's obviously not a high bar to clear. It's up to each individual to decide morality.
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Right

It's not up to the govt to decide issues of morality

That's one reason why abortion is legal
 
clownboy said:
So, Congress may enact laws that disregard the rights of the individual ennumerated in the Constitution? Wow, you've once again argued yourself into a corner.
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No, but they can enact laws which limit your ability to exercise those rights
 
ernst barkmann said:
you seem to be forgetting the 9th amendment

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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No, didn't forget, just recognise that that particular amendment is worthless in the face of any SCOTUS. They simply say that non-ennumerated right wasn't one of the ones the founders were talking about.
 
sangha said:
Right

It's not up to the govt to decide issues of morality

That's one reason why abortion is legal
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No, it's not. Government decides issues of law. Nowhere, in any SCOTUS decision on abortion that I'm aware of, is morality even mentioned. Perhaps you could provide a quote?
 
sangha said:
There are many questions which have no answer

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Who controls the wind?
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then we will go to basis for you then, ...when get out of bed, who is in control of the movements i make to preform that action?
 
Northern Light said:
I don't think this will pass the SCOTUS litmus test. Most states allow abortion at least until 16 weeks, with some at 20. The only Federal limit was the partial birth abortion ban.

Arkansas is trying to set a new precedent and I don't think it will hold. If the 12 week limit is permitted then it would cause legal battles in all the other states. Just because the legislature did it, doesn't mean they have any real justification for it. SCOTUS will demand evidence and logical arguments, and at that point it will likely fail.
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I agree with most of what you said only I do not believe this case will be heard by the Supreme Court. The lower courts should strike it down pretty quickly.
 
clownboy said:
No, it's not. Government decides issues of law. Nowhere, in any SCOTUS decision on abortion that I'm aware of, is morality even mentioned. Perhaps you could provide a quote?
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Umm, SCOTUS is a part of the govt

Remember?
 
sangha said:
That is not an issue of control

Who controls the wind? You or the govt?
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nature controls the wind, i control me, i make the movements my body preforms i eat the foods i wish to consume.

i make my personal decisions concerning my health, my finances, my family.......it i dont control those...... and then who does?
 
ernst barkmann said:
nature controls the wind, i control me, i make the movements my body preforms i eat the foods i wish to consume.

i make my personal decisions concerning my health, my finances, my family.......it i dont control those...... and then who does?
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Nature is not a sentient entity. It controls nothing.

You do not control your body. Your body is limited by it's abilities which were formed by the process called evolution.

And yes, you make decisions. As I said, it's not an issue of control; It's an issue of choice
 
sangha said:
Nature is not a sentient entity. It controls nothing.

You do not control your body. Your body is limited by it's abilities which were formed by the process called evolution.

And yes, you make decisions. As I said, it's not an issue of control; It's an issue of choice
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Who is in control of the choices?
 
ernst barkmann said:
your wrong, because you state the court case puts government in charge of limiting rights.....and there is no authority in the u.s. Constitution, that limits such rights.

federal law does not override constitutional law.
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The constitution gives SCOTUS the power to decide when the constitution allows the govt to limit rights. It's right there, in Art III
 
sangha said:
Umm, SCOTUS is a part of the govt

Remember?
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Yes, and if you read what I wrote you notice I said SCOTUS does not decide upon morality, but the law. Again:

Originally Posted by clownboy
No, it's not. Government decides issues of law. Nowhere, in any SCOTUS decision on abortion that I'm aware of, is morality even mentioned. Perhaps you could provide a quote?
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