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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Ikari said:
What about women who don't know until they go
into labor? I mean, should they be forced to care for a baby they knew nothing about?
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Its not the babies fault, so if not care for then adoption

Life's not fair or just, but that fact shouldn't cost the most innocent their lives.

If it saves one baby its worth it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Heavens - imagining discount on abortions after 16 weeks or something?
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No. Just that it may not be easy to gather 400 bucks if you're poor to begin with. Living from a comfortable high perch everything seems cheaper I guess.
 
Hatuey said:
No. Just that it may not be easy to gather 400 bucks if you're poor to begin with. Living from a comfortable high perch everything seems cheaper I guess.
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So - we should not limit the time to get an abortion because some people might be poor?

You know what - it doesn't look like THAT has stopped anyone seeing as how most are done before that time *and* a majority are done for the poor.

Surely you're not suggesting we base such views on the COST and how people might come up with the money.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So - we should not limit the time to get an abortion because some people might be poor?
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On the contrary, I think it should be limited, I'm just answering your question as to why it may take longer than 12 weeks to afford an abortion.
 
I am sure this law will be struck down and the SCOTUS will have a 5-4 decision basically removing all Roe time limits on abortion, not that I agree with that.
 
Pilot said:
It all depends on when the fetus becomes a human. Most would argue that that does in fact happen before birth. Is the location the only thing that matters? Should the government have no regulations on abortion at nine months?
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Actually, what it depends on is when it becomes a person, and under the constitution, that happens at birth

Until then, the govt can't ban abortion; it can only regulate beginning at viability (and at 12 weeks, it's not viable)
 
12 weeks too late, but hey, better than the state law in Arkansas is right now.
 
sangha said:
Actually, what it depends on is when it becomes a person, and under the constitution, that happens at birth

Until then, the govt can't ban abortion; it can only regulate beginning at viability (and at 12 weeks, it's not viable)
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per·son
/ˈpərsən/
Noun
A human being regarded as an individual.
 
Pilot said:
per·son
/ˈpərsən/
Noun
A human being regarded as an individual.
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The word has several meanings. As used in the constitution, by the authors, it means a human that has been born.

So you can stop picking cherries.
 
Hatuey said:
On the contrary, I think it should be limited, I'm just answering your question as to why it may take longer than 12 weeks to afford an abortion.
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It hasn't seemed to stop anyone.

Most of the time people will borrow money from family/friend if it comes to it.
 
Objective-J said:
and yet you are still factually wrong, you having that many kids doesn't change anything LMAO
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Well someone has to defend the idiots, might as well be you
 
sangha said:
The word has several meanings. As used in the constitution, by the authors, it means a human that has been born.

So you can stop picking cherries.
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Where does the constitution define a person?
 
sangha said:
All the parts that refer to "persons", "people", etc
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sangha said:
The word has several meanings. As used in the constitution, by the authors, it means a human that has been born.
So you can stop picking cherries.
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What lead you to this conclusion that it has a different meaning?
 
sangha said:
SCOTUS did.
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When? Where?

You mean like when they said this:

In 1973, Harry Blackmun wrote the court opinion for Roe v. Wade, saying "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate."
 
Pilot said:
When? Where?

You mean like when they said this:

In 1973, Harry Blackmun wrote the court opinion for Roe v. Wade, saying "We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate."
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No, like this

All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word "person," as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn
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and this
In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons
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Pilot said:
I don't think I follow. Would there be a state border patrol checking all leaving vehicles for women headed to an abortion clinic? The bill bans doctors from performing the abortion, not women from getting one.
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The end result is still the same - if you ban a doctor from performing an abortion, you are still stopping women from getting an abortion thus the only remaining scenario is that women either seek illegal help or travel across state borders for an abortion.
 
Rocketman said:
Because only an idiot would not realize she was pregnant in 3 months
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It really is not 3 months from conception since gestation is counted from the first day of the last period ...which makes it about 10 weeks from conception. If a woman has irregular periods due to say PCOS or if she is going through menopause she may not think anything of missing a period or having a very light period which sometimes happens at implantation. So once the second period is missed she is already 10 weeks gestation. So she has less than 2 weeks to make two appointments one for the consult and one for the actual abortion, make travel arrangements , perhaps find someone to watch the children she may already have at home, and get the money to pay for the abortion. Arkansas like neighboring Mississippi only has one abortion clinic so she may have travel hundreds of miles to get her abortion.
 
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AreteCourage said:
Of course they can have standards like all medical facilities. My argument is against them making dates of when it can or cannot happen...saying whether or not it can happen...that isn't something for a bureaucrat to decide.
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Agreed. If a parent wants to abort their child at any age up to 18, then they should be able to. Sometimes parents take a long time to recognize their mistakes and they should be able to undo them legally.
 
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