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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Abortion is not murder

That's just a lie the moral fascists repeat because they can't argue the facts

Abortion IS murder - you are killing and or preventing another living being from their God given right to life.

You are NOT God and you have absolutely zero right attempting to play God.

Also, I love how you attempt to label me a fascist for valuing life.

Yeah I'm a fascist because I know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to murder.

Who do you really think you are? you're a bad person for sure but you go beyond that!

Thanks for reaffirming the fact that progressives are soulless creatures with ZERO morals. The facade you guys put on is nothing more than a dog and pony show. You guys don't care about anyone or anything but yourselves. Your talking points are nothing more than chest beating.
 
Except that one is on this planet for our use as food, and the other IS A HUMAN CHILD!

Your argument was based on the defenselessness of life. Chickens, cows, etc are just as alive, and just as defenseless as a fetus
 
As often happens on the boards one bit of research, in order to have a 'viable' opinion, often leads to another.

Perhaps some might find this interesting. The Nazis and Abortion
 
People don't have the right to do as they please with their body or their property. They cant choose to use their body (or their property) to kill other people

But people have the right to decide which medical procedures they will consent to and which they will not.


this is dumb!..........if you killed someone you would infringe on their right.

stated again, with i dont control my body, my property, meaning me, or material goods, ....then you controls them, who owns me, and my property?
 
this is dumb!..........if you killed someone you would infringe on their right.

stated again, with i dont control my body, my property, meaning me, or material goods, ....then you controls them, who owns me, and my property?

Please realize to whom you're responding...:lol:
 
Your argument was based on the defenselessness of life. Chickens, cows, etc are just as alive, and just as defenseless as a fetus

That old joke about how W.C.Fields likes children doesn't seem so funny anymore.
 
this is dumb!..........if you killed someone you would infringe on their right.

stated again, with i dont control my body, my property, meaning me, or material goods, ....then you controls them, who owns me, and my property?

You may not knowingly sell your gun to a felon.

You own your property. You just can't do whatever you want with it.
 
I understand where you are going with this, however, one argument may well be that although you have a right to be secure in your person from unreasonable search, and or seizure, the moment you are talking about a separate life, as in the child growing inside you, that person has the same right to be secure.

here is where i am going.

as a person, i belong to ME, i don't belong to government( we are supposed to be free men), i have a right to be secure in my person, but i also have a right to be secure in my property...... the 5th amendment.

if a person is secure in their body, meaning government has NO authority to stop one from having an abortion, tell them what to eat or drink, then i am BEING secure in my property...me......then along with my body, THEN IT WOULD ALSO EQUATE that i am secure in material goods which are also my property.

since we have established a person...me, under the constitution is suppose to be secure , or what i own, does the government have the power, to dictate to me, what i shall do with my property, me or my goods, ...if i have NOT violated the rights of another person.

again i stated the 5th amendment to be secure.......this is CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, we are speaking of. ------------>what law overrides constitutional law?
 
You may not knowingly sell your gun to a felon.

You own your property. You just can't do whatever you want with it.


why? not!

i have stated over and over , can i do what i want with my property .......IF i DO NOT violate the rights of another person? ...(adding).....or violate criminal law.
 
why? not!

Because it is against Federal Law.

i have stated over and over , can i do what i want with my property .......IF i DO NOT violate the rights of another person? ...(adding).....or violate criminal law.

Because we live in a society that in addition to laws, we also have regulations that govern what you do to, or on your own property. This is a direct result of people electing people whom believe it is their job to continually pass laws, and regs, rather than adhering to their oath to protect, and defend the constitution.
 
But with the rapid increases in medical knowledge, if viability is the issue, then the State may have the right, with professional input, to put a time limit on when an abortion might take place.

But you forgetting the limit of viability has not changed in the last 12 years even with rapid increases of medical knowledge.
Experts agree that no fetus younger than 21 weeks will ever be viable The lungs are not formed enough to survive outside a womb. As the wiki article posted the youngest surviving baby was 21 weeks and 6 days gestation.

Also even premies that are 24 weeks gestation have a high percentage of major disabilities.
 
Because it is against Federal Law.

(play on words here) so federal law, supersedes the 5th amendment, which means i am not secure in my property, because government can pass a federal law, which controls all i own-----> including my body?

so government is the great decider of rights, instead of its job of securing rights.



Because we live in a society that in addition to laws, we also have regulations that govern what you do to, or on your own property. This is a direct result of people electing people whom believe it is their job to continually pass laws, and regs, rather than adhering to their oath to protect, and defend the constitution.

goods answer!
 
But you forgetting the limit of viability has not changed in the last 12 years even with rapid increases of medical knowledge.
Experts agree that no fetus younger than 21 weeks will ever be viable The lungs are not formed enough to survive outside a womb. As the wiki article posted the youngest surviving baby was 21 weeks and 6 days gestation.

Also even premies that are 24 weeks gestation have a high percentage of major disabilities.

Indeed, making the court's promise to revisit the viability issue as the science got better a blatant lie.
 
here is where i am going.

as a person, i belong to ME, i don't belong to government( we are supposed to be free men), i have a right to be secure in my person, but i also have a right to be secure in my property...... the 5th amendment.

You do not belong to anyone. Not even yourself.

if a person is secure in their body, meaning government has NO authority to stop one from having an abortion, tell them what to eat or drink, then i am BEING secure in my property...me......then along with my body, THEN IT WOULD ALSO EQUATE that i am secure in material goods which are also my property.

No, it would not, and does not, equate
 
why? not!

i have stated over and over , can i do what i want with my property .......IF i DO NOT violate the rights of another person? ...(adding).....or violate criminal law.

No, you can not do what you want with your property. The law, including civil law, can limit what you do with your property
 
(play on words here) so federal law, supersedes the 5th amendment, which means i am not secure in my property, because government can pass a federal law, which controls all i own-----> including my body?

so government is the great decider of rights, instead of its job of securing rights.

Wrong again
 
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