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Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

That was some years ago.

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It is what YOU decide because YOU bear the consequences.

Actually, you don't under the law. There has never been a single case of anyone being successfully sued for performing CPR.

That the nurse didn't get all hysterical, emotional or try to prove herself up to the 911 operator doesn't mean there is anything bad about her at all. She called 911 so an ambulance would come. Instead, the 911 operator decided to argue with her - a licensed nurse which the 911 operator isn't.

I'd rather have the 9/11 operator around than a worthless "nurse" with her thumbs up her backside complaining about how stressful it is to call 911.
 
This is not the first time I have read a sensational anecdote that you have posted. I dont believe a word of it

Here is another example of someone - and non-medical - ignoring 911 demanding a medical accident. A woman in the 9th month of pregnancy went into a "frank breech" spontaneous birth. That means upside down and backwards - what used to be thought of as an impossible natural birth for a lay person. The husband got his wife on her hands and knees, called 911 with the address and to get an ambulance out.

His wife begging him to save their baby even at her risk. He had "read the books." Rather than getting an ambulance rolling, the 911 operator - and then even a nurse - told him over and over - after he had freed up the other leg "to slowly but carefully while pulling firmly twist out the baby" .... to save the mother. He said he just dropped the phone on the floor because he knew what they were saying and what it mean. Kill the baby - that'd break it's neck - to save the mother.

Instead, he carefully managed out one arm, then the other, and then slipped the baby's jaw out - the baby cold and lifeless. To not tell the mother the baby was dead, he did CPS and mouth to mouth for over a quarter hour - hoping the ambulance would arrive. The ambulance went to the right address - but in the wrong neighboring suburban city.

When the ambulance finally did arrive about 45 minutes after the call, the mother was nursing her living baby who did revive, with the mother not so much as torn and the baby just fine. A midwife and her trainee aid also had arrive after this, but before the ambulance and EMT. They told the EMTs "thanks for coming, but we're all just fine" and wouldn't even go to the hospital with the licensed midwife and an aid now there.

That was some years ago. Since then, they have learned that at birth babies can go well beyond the 4 minute mark in trauma - almost like going into hybernation. And that frank breech births can be continued naturally if no instant C-section possible - and that there is almost always the extra time allowed due to the nature of new babies to go longer than 4 minutes in trauma at birth without brain damage.

And, if he had twisted out the baby killing her and then he and his wife learned this a few years later, they would then forever have to live with having needlessly killed that new baby just because someone else said to - though in their hearts had felt that was wrong at the time.

ULTIMATELY, it is not what 911 says, not what nurses say and even doctors say. It is what YOU decide because YOU bear the consequences.

That the nurse didn't get all hysterical, emotional or try to prove herself up to the 911 operator doesn't mean there is anything bad about her at all. She called 911 so an ambulance would come. Instead, the 911 operator decided to argue with her - a licensed nurse which the 911 operator isn't.
 
Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.
 
That same article says;




"But no one did, until the fire department arrived. Bayless died at Mercy Southwest Hospital. "

Since the woman died at the hospital, she didn't even need CPR. So the 911 operator could have just been giving incompetent and even life threatening advice/demands.

Not everyone who collapses needs CPR. Sometimes people with best intentions actually HURT someone by trying to help them.

A fella we know has a horrific scar on his leg when in a motorcycle accident people rushed over holding him down thinking he might have a back injury and shouldn't move - as he screamed! What he was screaming was "GET AWAY FROM ME!" because the hot tailpipe was on his leg. The ONLY injury he suffered was massive 3rd degree burns to his leg because of those do-gooders.

Maybe I missed something in the story. There WAS a medical professional on the scene: an RN. And the RN was indicating the only reason she wouldn’t assist was because of her employer’s rules, not for any medical reason.

If there was a DNR the Nurse did the right thing. If the elderly woman indicated at the last minute she didn’t want help, the RN did the right thing. But if that wasn’t the case, and the RN could have helped her and didn’t because of her employer’s rules, I say she was in the wrong. Nurses also take an oath.

A medical professional’s duty should be to the patient before the employer. Just as a cop who is moonlighting as a security guard is still first and foremost a cop, even when on the other employer’s clock. I realize in today’s money grubbing society that may sound naïve, but it is what I believe. But there may be more to this story that nullifies everything I just said.
 
Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.

Is this only a home for patients who are a DNR status? If so, DNR means do not resuscitate, and that is a patient's God-given choice IMO.
 
Is this only a home for patients who are a DNR status? If so, DNR means do not resuscitate, and that is a patient's God-given choice IMO.

I don't know about the DNR. The incident report at the link shows that no DNR was present and that EMT's performed CPR. If you listen to the call....well, you're the pro, you tell me how much of a mess that was.
 
I don't know about the DNR. The incident report at the link shows that no DNR was present and that EMT's performed CPR. If you listen to the call....well, you're the pro, you tell me how much of a mess that was.

Oh, I'm not a pro on that kind of stuff. I am strictly in the administrative side of health care.
 
So it's not even a nursing home but an independent living facility. Well, they really should change that policy. That's an awful policy....:(

I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there. Nursing homes are often viewed as death traps and this is one reason why.
 
I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there.

I don't know about that. Some elderly people are very stubborn and don't want any help at all.
 
Oh, I'm not a pro on that kind of stuff. I am strictly in the administrative side of health care.

Still, did you listen to the whole thing? The people on the phone were playing hot potato with it because nobody wanted to be responsible....and they were all eminently successful in that endeavor. The lack of respect for a fellow human being was...well...it would have been disgusting but it wasn't even present!
 
I don't know about that. Some elderly people are very stubborn and don't want any help at all.

True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse? I'm also wondering, whats the point in having a nursing staff if they're only allowed to do what anyone off the street could do?
 
True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse?

I wouldn't know that either. I type doctor reports, like operative notes, discharge summaries, history and physical examinations, stuff like that. I'm not into billing and coding or anything like that. Just transcription.
 
Still, did you listen to the whole thing? The people on the phone were playing hot potato with it because nobody wanted to be responsible....and they were all eminently successful in that endeavor. The lack of respect for a fellow human being was...well...it would have been disgusting but it wasn't even present!

I'll go listen now.
 
Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.
No ****? I thought we were talking about hamsters :doh
 
Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.

I can't listen to this because it requires me to install something. But I got the gist of it from reading a transcript that someone else posted anyway, and I agree that they should definitely change this policy. It's a terrible policy if they have a nurse on site and don't allow her to perform CPR.
 
True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse? I'm also wondering, whats the point in having a nursing staff if they're only allowed to do what anyone off the street could do?

Assisted living facilities are middle ground residences. They are for the elderly who really shouldn't be home alone - plus it also often felt they need the companionship of other people their age. Such homes assure the elderly have meals (elderly often otherwise just stop eating), someone to call 911 if they fall. Someone to keep them from just wandering off etc.

Home nurses aren't 24/7. Even if so, few actually become "friends" and it only a professional relationship. Elderly usually do not want to leave their home. But often it is just too dangerous to not do so = particularly when their spouse dies and that elderly person is alone.

If the staff of assisted living facilities go beyond the basics, they cross a very dangerous line not only legally, but also towards potential abuse and "practicing medicine without a license." In a medical situations they are to call 911. That's what that nurse did. The 911 operator wanted to her specifically do what she - and everyone - there had been instructed to do. She was correct to refuse to do so.

It would be little different than a cop deciding procedure and laws are wrong and go maverick renegade thinking it best.
 
My grandmother is an elderly housing place. She is almost 90 years old and prefers to live independently. Her own home got to be too much for her, and it was too big, so she chose to move to independent elderly housing. I'm not even sure if they have a nurse on site.

My grandmother is old but she is very independent and can still get around and still has her wits about her. She's really quite amazing. :)
 
I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there. Nursing homes are often viewed as death traps and this is one reason why.

WRONG. The elderly woman, Ms. Bayless, had signed a DNR order, had also signed consent to the "no on site medical care" provisions of the facility and even her own daughter, a nurse, agreed that proper care was given to her mother. The facility has different sections that offer different levels of care, the independednt living portion, her "home" does not provide any medical care; their policy is to call 911 for emergency assistance.

Nursing home staff defend not giving dying resident CPR as she had a DNR | Mail Online

Nurse refuses to perform CPR on dying woman
 
WRONG. The elderly woman, Ms. Bayless, had signed a DNR order, had also signed consent to the "no on site medical care" provisions of the facility

CBS is reporting otherwise and I'm more inclined to err on the side of reason and compassion.

...and even her own daughter, a nurse, agreed that proper care was given to her mother.

Right, says the daughter who dumped her mother in a death house. Abandoning the elderly is a sick practice in this country.
 
CPR isn't magic. It's not like on TV, where three quarters of interventions are successful, and people sit up alert and oriented straight off. The actual success rate is less than half that, worse for the elderly, and most survivors have days or weeks of recovery ahead, with many suffering permanent disability from either the cause of the incident or the treatment.
 
CBS is reporting otherwise and I'm more inclined to err on the side of reason and compassion.



Right, says the daughter who dumped her mother in a death house. Abandoning the elderly is a sick practice in this country.

For God's sake- an assited living facility isn't a death house. Most of them cost through the nose to live in, and are a nice place to live for the residents who are there.
 
For God's sake- an assited living facility isn't a death house. Most of them cost through the nose to live in, and are a nice place to live for the residents who are there.
If you don't feed it, it will go away.
 
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