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Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

sangha said:
McCain, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Rubio and many others
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Are you aware when McCain, for example, first suggested aid?

The fact is that 'rightwingers' are very much split on this, as is most everyone.

From this article it seems Obama is doing more harm than good, continuing to rely on theory rather than reality and what he read in a book once.

Syrian rebel chief on U.S. non-lethal aid: "The only thing we want is weapons" - CBS News

All that money and the Americans come out looking like idiots, though that was foreordained with John Kerry at the helm. The S of S went from Tweedledum to tweedledummer.
 
With our debt we should not be spending foreign "aid" used to bribe foreign governments and not spending a deficit to purchase fake allegiances.
 
iguanaman said:
Right, learning from history is for sissys. Let's keep making the same mistakes over and over. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
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What problem do you see here and what do you suggest as a solution?
 
sangha said:
McCain, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Rubio and many others
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Seriously?

As opposed to what?

Don't even make me start throwing names out there, because I can give you more than 200.

Hell, your boy Jessie Jackson Jr and his Wife are going away for 20 years for stealing.

Geez... Had it been a republican it would have been headline news... No it's just another criminal democrat getting a 20 year bit.
 
digsbe said:
With our debt we should not be spending foreign "aid" used to bribe foreign governments and not spending a deficit to purchase fake allegiances.
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Ding, ding, ding!
 
If said aid pushes along the removal of Assad and helps usher in any semblance of stability, it could prove to be a investment well worth the price tag.
 
a351 said:
If said aid pushes along the removal of Assad and helps usher in any semblance of stability, it could prove to be a investment well worth the price tag.
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"Oh" .....did you mean like that Arab Spring Stability? :shock:
 
a351 said:
If said aid pushes along the removal of Assad and helps usher in any semblance of stability, it could prove to be a investment well worth the price tag.
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I said 3 years ago this "Arab Spring" nonsense would just introduce Sharia Law... Everyone told me I was wrong.

These cats cant even clean up their own mess and people question the US and their alleged interference. Seriously?

I don't know what to say or what position to take but all this **** is insane and Obama plays a role here.
 
MMC said:
"Oh" .....did you mean like that Arab Spring Stability? :shock:
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Yeah, Syria falls within the Arab Spring category. No matter what you label it, ousting a genocidal despot whose actions have managed to further destabilize an already volatile portion of the world is a prospect that would be welcomed by the international community at large.
 
Grant said:
Are you aware when McCain, for example, first suggested aid?
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Are you aware that if you had a point to make, there is nothing stopping you from posting it?

The fact is that 'rightwingers' are very much split on this, as is most everyone.
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Aside from a handful of oddball like Rand Paul, the only split on the right is over how much aid to give the syrian rebels


From this article it seems Obama is doing more harm than good, continuing to rely on theory rather than reality and what he read in a book once.

Syrian rebel chief on U.S. non-lethal aid: "The only thing we want is weapons" - CBS News

All that money and the Americans come out looking like idiots, though that was foreordained with John Kerry at the helm. The S of S went from Tweedledum to tweedledummer.
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Nothing funnier than seeing the right complain the Obama is spending too much money on the syrians *and* complain that he's not spending enough on them :lamo
 
Grant said:
What problem do you see here and what do you suggest as a solution?
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Allowing genocide because you say we can't afford to help stop it is one problem. Cutting back on just one of those useless F-35's will pay for nearly all our foreign aid.
I just wish you were that frugal when your buddy started a war without provocation and kllled 100' sof 1000's of Iraqi's. But that was back when you were a neocon no doubt.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I said 3 years ago this "Arab Spring" nonsense would just introduce Sharia Law... Everyone told me I was wrong.

These cats cant even clean up their own mess and people question the US and their alleged interference. Seriously?

I don't know what to say or what position to take but all this **** is insane and Obama plays a role here.
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Think you're giving yourself a bit too much credence here. I've a feeling that quite a few members of the intelligence community knew of the potential ruling parties in the mix. (I'll assuming you're speaking of the MB)

No clue as to what that's supposed to mean.

Obama played the only role possible in the Arab Spring. Standing in opposition to a democratic movement in said region would severely undermine our future interests.
 
so much for sequester, eh?
 
a351 said:
Yeah, Syria falls within the Arab Spring category. No matter what you label it, ousting a genocidal despot whose actions have managed to further destabilize an already volatile portion of the world is a prospect that would be welcomed by the international community at large.
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When was the Middle East stable in our lifetimes and how can you tell one despot from another?

The United States should never get involved in a land war anywhere. Despite having the best military in the world they always manage to screw it up politically.

Let whichever despot takes over rule for a while and if he threatens neighbors, hangs gays or stones women then drop a daisy cutter on the insane SOB and his royal palace and be done with it. Repeat as necessary.
 
iguanaman said:
Allowing genocide because you say we can't afford to help stop it is one problem. Cutting back on just one of those useless F-35's will pay for nearly all our foreign aid.
I just wish you were that frugal when your buddy started a war without provocation and kllled 100' sof 1000's of Iraqi's. But that was back when you were a neocon no doubt.
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We should have just assassinated Saddam - oh yeah - he had 20 look-a-likes.

Bomb em all and remind them and every nation that we have bombs and are more than willing to use them.

No I don't care - sometimes "not caring" is the only option...
 
a351 said:
Yeah, Syria falls within the Arab Spring category. No matter what you label it, ousting a genocidal despot whose actions have managed to further destabilize an already volatile portion of the world is a prospect that would be welcomed by the international community at large.
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Really.....hows that working out for Egypt, Algeria, Bahrain, Oman and Yemen. All ran by Sunni Led governments backed by the MB.

Oh its okay for Obama to pick and choose which Genocidal Despot whose actions manages to further destabilize the Entire Region in which you think this is the way to explain.....how we are funding and supporting terrorists.

I don't see all those on the left calling for Obama to go after Selah of Yemen who has done the same exact thing as Assad. What we are suppose to accept that it is alright for the Sunni Arabs to massacre Christians and Systematically commit genocide upon the Shia? All because they are the lesser of the two evils. Give me a break!
 
Grant said:
When was the Middle East stable in our lifetimes how can you tell one despot from another?
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The instability of the Middle East shouldn't warrant a complete withdrawl and disconnect from the region entirely. Removing Assad generally falls within the interests of the international community at large.
 
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MMC said:
Really.....hows that working out for Egypt, Algeria, Bahrain, Oman and Yemen. All ran by Sunni Led governments backed by the MB.

Oh its okay for Obama to pick and choose which Genocidal Despot whose actions manages to further destabilize the Entire Region in which you think this is the way to explain.....how we are funding and supporting terrorists.

I don't see all those on the left calling for Obama to go after Selah of Yemen who has done the same exact thing as Assad. What we are suppose to accept that it is alright for the Sunni Arabs to massacre Christians and Systematically commit genocide upon the Shia? All because they are the lesser of the two evils. Give me a break!
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OOh the Muslim Brotherhood. You want to hear somethng even more scary? 99% of the populations in those countries are MUSLIMS! They are everywhere over there. Quick run for the hills.........
 
Grant said:
Genocide? Where? Darfur?

And what do you suggest we do about this genocide problem?
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Are you suggesting that a Govt. using it's army and WMD's to kill its own people is not genocide? That the international communutiy should sit by and watch?
 
iguanaman said:
OOh the Muslim Brotherhood. You want to hear somethng even more scary? 99% of the populations in those countries are MUSLIMS! They are everywhere over there. Quick run for the hills.........
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What does Muslims have to do with Sunni led governments? Do you even know what the difference is between Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims? What does the MB have to do with Kerry and Obama coming out publicly in support of those on that terrorist list? Which have to do with the Syrian Opposition.

What happened with Selah and those Sunni leaders that are in power now?

Now you can run for the hills! :roll:
 
MMC said:
Really.....hows that working out for Egypt, Algeria, Bahrain, Oman and Yemen. All ran by Sunni Led governments backed by the MB.

Oh its okay for Obama to pick and choose which Genocidal Despot whose actions manages to further destabilize the Entire Region in which you think this is the way to explain.....how we are funding and supporting terrorists.
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Did you take the time to read the post you responded to? Assad's removal would be welcomed by much of the region and the international community at large. How that statement warrants an "Oh yeah? How's that working for A, B and C!" is beyond me.

This isn't coherent. Seriously. Read it twice and can't come up with anything.
 
a351 said:
Did you take the time to read the post you responded to? Assad's removal would be welcomed by much of the region and the international community at large. How that statement warrants an "Oh yeah? How's that working for A, B and C!" is beyond me.

This isn't coherent. Seriously. Read it twice and can't come up with anything.
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Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post

Yeah, Syria falls within the Arab Spring category. No matter what you label it, ousting a genocidal despot whose actions have managed to further destabilize an already volatile portion of the world is a prospect that would be welcomed by the international community at large.

Yeah it explains your ridiculous statement concerning as to Syria falls within the Arab Spring category. So my pointing out to you while asking, "how has that worked out for those Countries with their Sunni masters.....which there has been no stability since that Arab Spring you spoke of, took place"! While still keeping that portion of the World destabilized. Where have U been.....to not have noticed?

Also, then you said thru ousting a genocidal despot. While again I pointed out how Selah was the Same as Assad. The only difference being Selah is Sunni and Assad is Shia.
 
a351 said:
The instability of the Middle East shouldn't warrant a complete withdrawl and disconnect from the region entirely. Removing Assad generally falls within the interests of the international community at large.
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There will less stability now than there has ever been as the Islamists understand that the western democracies become bored with war quite quickly and want to leave at the sight of the first body bags. Islamists have no such fears. When "exit strategies" become more important than winning the war then you know that a significant historical moment has passed.

Assad is just one of many such types in the Middle East and will be replaced by someone just as bad, or worse. There is no outcry now for democracy as there once was when the Iraqis held their first elections ever and celebrated by holding up there purple thumbs. The Americans turned on their won leadership, the Europeans joined in, and the Islamists won the propaganda war. They will continue to win.
 
iguanaman said:
Are you suggesting that a Govt. using it's army and WMD's to kill its own people is not genocide? That the international communutiy should sit by and watch?
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That's usually what the internationally community does regarding genocide but you are misusing the term here.
 
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