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Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

I'm very confused. So some arabic site shrunk the picture in part by cropping out some of the basically empty space at the sides and front to focus on the purpose of the picture, IE Michelle Obama?

One? so.....?

Two? How is that arabic site = "conservative media"? Or is it supposedly talking about the Conservative Media who have done it...in which case, wouldn't it be halfway intelligent to link to those supposed conservative media instances yourself rather than refer people to a foreign webpage on an English based board?

Am I missing something here?
 
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I'm very confused. So some arabic site shrunk the picture in part by cropping out some of the basically empty space at the sides and front to focus on the purpose of the picture, IE Michelle Obama?

One? so.....?

Two? How is that arabic site = "conservative media"? Or is it supposedly talking about the Conservative Media who have done it...in which case, wouldn't it be halfway intelligent to link to those supposed conservative media instances yourself rather than refer people to a foreign webpage on an English based board?

Am I missing something here?

Conservative media was the punch line :lol:

ohh, and they covered her up. Compare what she's wearing in both photos
 
Ha. Missed that. That's rather funny. "Quick! There's skin! Get our best Photoshopper, STAT!"

Still not getting the whole "Conservative Media" thing unless you're laughably trying to link the social values and political leans within the Islamic world to some kind of analog with the common usage and relation to the United States....
 
Ha. Missed that. That's rather funny. "Quick! There's skin! Get our best Photoshopper, STAT!"

Still not getting the whole "Conservative Media" thing unless you're laughably trying to link the social values and political leans within the Islamic world to some kind of analog with the common usage and relation to the United States....


Yes, im mocking the religious right (no matter what religion)

This was another "see how ignorant my post was" post.
 
Lincoln gets snubbed for best film by a movie about saving embassy workers in a hostile region of the world, and the person presenting the award is Michelle Obama.

Isn't that just rich.
 
It's ironic, the winner was Argo, a movie about rescuing Consulate staff out of Iran, given by the wife of the President who ignored the pleas and the terrorist attack that took the lives of the Consulate staff in benghazzi.
 
If I were to try to come at this honestly, my view of it would probably reflect my view on a lot of things in terms of today compared to yester year....

One, you're seeing more about it on DP because there's more users and more posters then there was anytime during Bush's presidency. More people tends to mean more people buying into stupid ginned up "controversies" meaning more posts about it.

Two, at least from my recollection, Michelle seems to be far more active in the public eye than Laura was by and large, or at the very least gets a lot more media attention surrounding here. For instance, the entire thing regarding the public face of the "My Plate" rework of the Food Pyramid and "Let's Move" campaign, and the public promotion campaign that kind of went along with it, is unlike anything I can remember in terms of scope and media exposure for Laura.

Third, Michelle was getting media attention for some time even before the Presidency. Articles about her in Essense in 2006, multiple appearances in Vanity Fair and People for "Best Dressed" prior to becoming FLOTUS, etc. Her magazine exposure didn't stop after becoming FLOTUS either. Only other First Lady than Hilldawg to land on the cover of Vogue. First person to be on the cover of Better Homes and Gardens for almost half a century. The entire story surrounding her, along with her looks and age, and her own personality, make her far easier to latch onto as a socialite and as a "celebrity" of sorts than someone like Laura Bush. Michelle Obama comes off as a celebrity (and I'm not meaning that as a negative), Laura Bush came off as a Country Club Debutante. One is significant more appealing to cover and promote in the media.

Finally, I think it's just the ongoing trend of Media exposure and Social Communication. Laura is the only First Lady we can even compare in a relatively similar time period...and even then, if you think back to the first half of her Husbands presidency to what we have now it's still starkly different. 24/7 networks were common, but not nearly as prevalent. But more than that social media like Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and the gigantic blogosphere was a shadow of what's there today. The more space there is for noise, the more noises is generated, and I fear that in the future if we have another charismatic, young, outgoing FLOTUs that we're going to look back wondering if Michelle Obama had it as bad as her.

In this particular case, I don't think there's some inherent greater interest to make her a "favorite target" but rather a symptom of the realities of the world we live and the differences in terms of the personalities and personas of the past first ladies and herself.

You bring up some interesting points that certainly worthy of more though. And though I presume that indeed they are relevant (perhaps collectively), there just seems to be something else I can't put my finger on. From day one, there was a lot of hate, including childish digs at her looks and figure. :roll: Honestly, I think a lot of it is spoon fed from the media.
 
Seriously... is there ANYWHERE we can get away from them?
 
I'll be honest, I remember the comments about her looks and figure beginning in ernest more around the time she started pushing the My Plate / Let's Move thing than at the start of the Presidency. A few comments? Yes. But the major uptick happened around that time. And while I thought many were crass, when you're actively being the face of an initiative on healthy eating and physical fitness you open yourself up to become a target in terms of your physical appearance rightly or wrongly.
 
Seriously... is there ANYWHERE we can get away from them?

At a Capitals game? I mean, who would ever hear of a black person at a hoc-....

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Damn you Joel Ward! Once again you cause me pain, ruining my perfectly placed racial joke.

Sorry Josie, that was my best guess...out of ideas.
 
Seriously... is there ANYWHERE we can get away from them?
Well, this is the United States of America and the Obamas are the President and First Lady, so you could ... move.
 
And that's a rather ignorant statement based seemingly off nothing bug prejudice and bigotry. Wonderful job.
Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations.

Actually, never-mind, let's just pretend that racism could never be a part of anything and accuse anyone who suggests otherwise of prejudice and bigotry to make ourselves feel better and avoid ever having to have genuine discussions about the place race has in our society.

:roll:
 
Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations.

All well and good except the individuals comment wasn't a general notion that some people somewhere dislike them because they're black. It was about a specific poster on this forum feeling that way with zero evidence of that other than the fact the person dislikes Obama. I've noted numerous times on this forum, and even alluded to it in this thread, that some people absolutely are racist and dislike them due to race. But the vast majority of people who dislike Obama do so for the same root reason they likely disliked Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and to a lesser extent Al Gore and John Kerry.

But thanks for playing.
 
Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations for criticism from the fact that Michelle is more in the limelight or other theories.

Actually, never-mind, let's just pretend that racism could never be a part of anything and accuse anyone who suggests otherwise of prejudice and bigotry to make ourselves feel better and avoid ever having to have genuine discussions about the place race has in our society.

:roll:

Wow, you played both the if you don't like it leave the country card, AND the criticism must be inherently racial since we live in a racist society card in back-to-back posts.

A new leftie record folkses.
 
To the best of my memory, I don't recall such vitriol directed towards Laura Bush in the years Dubya was in the WH. In the case of Michelle Obama, there a new hate thread ever week, it seems. I don't get it. Why is she such a favourite target here at DP?
I think Hillary got a lot of hate too and, to be honest, I think it has a lot to do with the traditionalism and politics of the right. There are more people on the right who think women should fill more traditional roles. Hillary and Michelle are the exact opposite of that. Not only are they professional nontraditional, they are also outspoken and open about their opinions in a way that flies in the face of the traditional role women have played historically. I think that that genuinely rubs a lot of the conservative base the wrong way.

I also, in spite of how apparently untouchable this topic is, think race plays a factor. There are enough studies out there that show that internalized prejudice and racism is still pretty rampant in American society. While Democrats may have those same prejudices, their political support for the Obamas may override those sentiments, particularly when it comes to vocalizing those thoughts. Republicans don't support the Obamas politically so, just as some Democrats projected their prejudice against Southerners on Bush, I think quite a few Republicans are projecting their issues with race onto the the Obamas.

In sum, I think race and gender play a role in addition to some of the factors that Zyphlin mentioned.
 
Wow, you played both the if you don't like it leave the country card, AND the criticism must be inherently racial since we live in a racist society card in back-to-back posts.

A new leftie record folkses.
When are conservatives going to stop referring to arguments they disagree with as "cards" so that they don't have to address them?

Also, I didn't say that "criticism must be inherently racial." You shouldn't change people's words because it usually changes the meaning of what they said.
 
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I think Hillary got a lot of hate too and, to be honest, I think it has a lot to do with the traditionalism and politics of the right. There are more people on the right who think women should fill more traditional roles. Hillary and Michelle are the exact opposite of that. Not only are they professional nontraditional, they are also outspoken and open about their opinions in a way that flies in the face of the traditional role women have played historically. I think that that genuinely rubs a lot of the conservative base the wrong way.

The words SARAH and PALIN were screaming at me when I read this. Please re-assess your worldview--this ain't the 50s.
 
Proof that people can whine and cry about anything. I would be embarrassed to be so ****ing petty.

Wasn't outraged by her showing up in the Oscars presentation. Wasn't delighted by it either.

But there isn't any denying that it was a bit weird.



(And would have been at least a little awkward/ironic if Zero Dark Thirty had been the winner of Best Picture.....)
 
All well and good except the individuals comment wasn't a general notion that some people somewhere dislike them because they're black. It was about a specific poster on this forum feeling that way with zero evidence of that other than the fact the person dislikes Obama. I've noted numerous times on this forum, and even alluded to it in this thread, that some people absolutely are racist and dislike them due to race.
Meh, fair enough.

But thanks for playing.
How original.
 
The words SARAH and PALIN were screaming at me when I read this. Please re-assess your worldview--this ain't the 50s.
I'm looking for an argument and all I see is vague platitudes. When you get an argument, get back to me.
 
Can anyone in here name who these racists are who attack the Obamas because of their skin color?

Where are all these hateful bigots?

Cause I sure know a lot of folks claim these racists exist.

But where are they?

Please, name names.
 
It seems only fair. I mean, Obama should, in all honesty, get the award for best performer and outstanding actor. He is the best. None of those jokes in holywood even come close to Obama and many other politicians in the art of deception and making people believe stuff. The best actors in the world are politicians after all. So it seems only fair that Michelle Obama be the one to present an award, after all, she and her husband are as much part of the showbiz and the glamour and the general attitude of holywood that they might as well be officially part of it. Even though, all the depravity and ineptitude that exists in holywood fades in comparison to that of Washington DC.

But of course, holywood suffers from the "french court system" and it is they themselves bestowing honors on themselves, like the perfect band of rejects that they are.
 
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