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Gas prices climb to four-month high

You Americans are cute bitching about $3.75 a gallon.

Number of Litres in a Gallon: 4.4

What I pay for gas: $1.32/L

Therefore I pay: $1.32 * 4.4 = $5.85 a gallon.
 
You Americans are cute bitching about $3.75 a gallon.

Number of Litres in a Gallon: 4.4

What I pay for gas: $1.32/L





Therefore I pay: $1.32 * 4.4 = $5.85 a gallon.

How much of that is tax?
 
Yes yes. Blame the media. Blame single
women. Blame hispanic and black
people. Blame the poor. And blame conspiracies too, tell yourself the other guys are literal supervillains, just wanting to hurt the country because.

Maybe, just maybe, the reason minorities and the poor voted for Obama was because you guys kept telling them they were leeches on society who only vote for handouts. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that your freaking presidential candidate decided that not paying federal income taxes means you "can't be convinced to take responsibility." A group, incidentally, that includes virtually every retired senior and deployed combat troops. Yes. Deployed combat troops can't be convinced to take responsibility, eh Romney?

You straight, white, Republican men vote on ideology, though, right? Sincere beliefs and patriotism, right? It just doesn't seem to occur to some of you that other people do the same thing, or that liberals also have jobs.

That is why you lost the election, and unless the GOP can figure this out they will continue to lose elections.

Actually I consider myself Conservative more than I do GOP. But all those people you mentioned got taken in by plattitudes and rhetoric that happens to be in your first and second to the last paragraph. Almost every group you mentioned is worse off.

Because as BO and people like you were pushing the manufactured narrative of " rich guy bad, corporations bad, capitalism bad " I was arguing my points on other forums. And as it turns out I was right on the money.

So they've been had and the rich are getting richer and some of you are actually celebrating the DOWs progress. Blissful ignorance. Some of you have no concept of why, its just the only "positive" you can think of.

I blame Obama and people like you who follow his ideology to a fault and those who are so cognitively lazy they let the media make up their mind for them.

I could have told everyone of those groups in 2007 what was going to happen to this economy, their jobs, their savings and their childrens future if they voted for Obama and I would have been right on the money.

Truth be told there are leeches in this society, there are people that thinks their entitled to free ****, people who make irresponsible choices who could care less whether or not any one else is affected.

I'm willing to bet 95% of those people that are elligible to vote, voted for Obama.

Oh and I'm proud to American, Conservative heterosexual and white and part Native American. I'm proud of my geneology and my heritage and of our accomplishments.

I really dont give a rats ass anymore if a lib calls me a racist because it means nothing.
 
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Maybe, just maybe, the reason minorities and the poor voted for Obama was because you guys kept telling them they were leeches on society who only vote for handouts.

No, you guys kept telling them that was what the other side was saying. That is not what the other side was saying.
 
How much of that is tax?

Granted, quite a bit. 13% HST, $0.15/L provincial tax and another tax that I forget, 7% I think?

HST is always added first, then the tax I forget the name of. The $0.15 is added last.

$1.32 - $0.15 = $1.17
$1.17 / 1.07 = $1.09
$1.09 / 1.13 = $0.96/L I would be paying without taxes.

$0.96 x 4.4 = $4.24 a gallon without taxes.
 
Granted, quite a bit. 13% HST, $0.15/L provincial tax and another tax that I forget, 7% I think?

HST is always added first, then the tax I forget the name of. The $0.15 is added last.

$1.32 - $0.15 = $1.17
$1.17 / 1.07 = $1.09
$1.09 / 1.13 = $0.96/L I would be paying without taxes.

$0.96 x 4.4 = $4.24 a gallon without taxes.

And those are just the taxes that you see, other taxes are paid by the importer/driller, the refiner, the wholesaler and the retailer. ;)
 
Granted, quite a bit. 13% HST, $0.15/L
provincial tax and another tax that I
forget, 7% I think?

HST is always added first, then the tax I forget the name of. The $0.15 is added last.

$1.32 - $0.15 = $1.17
$1.17 / 1.07 = $1.09
$1.09 / 1.13 = $0.96/L I would be paying without taxes.

$0.96 x 4.4 = $4.24 a gallon without taxes.

It almost sounds reasonable if you didn't take into account the absence of Canadian defense spending. Plus, you guys control your southern border and you sell allot of oil.

Do you think we, a Country of 350,000 with a open border, 20 million immigrants already here, could copy the Canadian health care plan of single payer and do it successfully ? Its a sincere question.

I do apologize if I've completly misread the point of your post. I'm limited to one page forward only right now for some reason. I think the Chinese may be hacking my phone.
 
Granted, quite a bit. 13% HST, $0.15/L provincial tax and another tax that I forget, 7% I think?

HST is always added first, then the tax I forget the name of. The $0.15 is added last.

$1.32 - $0.15 = $1.17
$1.17 / 1.07 = $1.09
$1.09 / 1.13 = $0.96/L I would be paying without taxes.

$0.96 x 4.4 = $4.24 a gallon without taxes.

And do you think that price is reasonable?
 
This is such Bull....What the hell is going on here? 4 years ago when gas prices were $3.57 a gallon we got this from Obama...



If you watch the first minute of this video from 2008, using an Indianapolis gas station as a prop to spew his rhetoric you get a real feeling of just how dishonest, and cynical this man is.

At that time gas as I said was $3.57 per gallon, today the national average was $3.79 and experts on the industry say that this spring and summer it will be no surprise to see gas go over $4.00 per gallon.

This is such Crap! Obama policies have artificially inflated the price of gas to make his gigantic failures in green energy seem necessary, IOW, he has created a fake crisis to justify the waste of our money in ventures like Fisker, whom now is being eyed by the Chinese for purchase, AFTER we flushed $500 million down their toilet....

What say you?


For me as long as we have OPEC deciding how much money American families get to keep, the US Oil Futures Market buying up all the oil on the planet before its even pumped out of the ground then scalping it to the refineries at an inflated cost, people who either hate our guts and want us out of their land and are willing to commit mass murder against Americans to that end, those who use oil to control the American economy who taking our money to build palaces and oppress their own people and s long as petroleum holds what is essentially a no competition monopoly on personal transportation its not a fake crisis in my humble opinion.

I'm not personally so much in the same camp of those who insist that "green electricity" is all that important but I do think alternatively fueled automotive technology is a within reach, completely feasible national security emergency. Well, green electricity only to the extent the concerns of those who fear alternatively fueled cars will lead to rolling blackouts need to be eased (usually based IMHO on a dishonest hypothetical model that assumes every single internal combustion engine car in America will be instantly replaced with a plug-in electric car and will need to be not recharged while people are in bed for the night over night but during peak demand office hours at rates of electrical consumption).

I personally understand that transitions are bumpy. Most major transitions the country are gone through went through had seasons of initial adjustments, some more difficult than others but IMHO worth it in the long run. I'm personally not happy with murderous dictators in the Middle East controlling the US economy. I'm not happy with terrorists thinking mass murder is the way to "cleanse the land of the infidels" while WE hand over our hard earned money to pay for it or not be able to get to work. I know we have to defend ourselves against terrorism but I'd rather see us not be involved in the region in the first place. I don't like seeing nuclear proliferation make advancements because rouge regimes with oil have all the money they need to invest in nuclear weapons R&D because we choose to dig in our heels and oppose non-nuclear R&D because our favorite political pundit or news channel tells us freeing ourselves from a monopoly is communism and lets the environmentalism wackos win while we lose.
 
For me as long as we have OPEC deciding how much money American families get to keep, the US Oil Futures Market buying up all the oil on the planet before its even pumped out of the ground then scalping it to the refineries at an inflated cost, people who either hate our guts and want us out of their land and are willing to commit mass murder against Americans to that end, those who use oil to control the American economy who taking our money to build palaces and oppress their own people and s long as petroleum holds what is essentially a no competition monopoly on personal transportation its not a fake crisis in my humble opinion.

I'm not personally so much in the same camp of those who insist that "green electricity" is all that important but I do think alternatively fueled automotive technology is a within reach, completely feasible national security emergency. Well, green electricity only to the extent the concerns of those who fear alternatively fueled cars will lead to rolling blackouts need to be eased (usually based IMHO on a dishonest hypothetical model that assumes every single internal combustion engine car in America will be instantly replaced with a plug-in electric car and will need to be not recharged while people are in bed for the night over night but during peak demand office hours at rates of electrical consumption).

I personally understand that transitions are bumpy. Most major transitions the country are gone through went through had seasons of initial adjustments, some more difficult than others but IMHO worth it in the long run. I'm personally not happy with murderous dictators in the Middle East controlling the US economy. I'm not happy with terrorists thinking mass murder is the way to "cleanse the land of the infidels" while WE hand over our hard earned money to pay for it or not be able to get to work. I know we have to defend ourselves against terrorism but I'd rather see us not be involved in the region in the first place. I don't like seeing nuclear proliferation make advancements because rouge regimes with oil have all the money they need to invest in nuclear weapons R&D because we choose to dig in our heels and oppose non-nuclear R&D because our favorite political pundit or news channel tells us freeing ourselves from a monopoly is communism and lets the environmentalism wackos win while we lose.

The transition isn't just "bumpy" as you put it, it is insane. Our entire infrastructure is built on traditional energy, and little has been done to change that. So for all the talk of wanting to switch to "green energy" it just plain doesn't exist to the level it needs to even make a dent in traditional energy. But, strangling traditional sources for an energy pipe dream is suicide.
 
No, you guys kept telling them that was what the other side was saying. That is not what the other side was saying.

No. Major Republican and conservative figures literally said this outright. People on this message board literally said this outright.
 
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Well, this is not a new argument for sure....But, I think that the numbers have been hashed, rehashed, and baked again and served in thread after thread. Let me approach it this way, do you agree that the US artificially holds down its production of oil, natural gas, and coal due to not only over burdensome regulation, but on political considerations as well?

Yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The US also artificially holds down industry with all those terrible, burdensome regulations regarding "safety gear" and "not dumping toxic waste in the nearest river." Like everything, it's a cost/benefit question. What do we gain by opening up ANWR, and does this make it worth the damage done to the wilderness area?

If you can't even tell me how much you think gas prices would reduce by, how on earth am I supposed to evaluate that choice?
 
No. Major Republican and conservative figures literally said this outright. People on this message board literally said this outright.

So I should judge all democrats by what people here say? Well, which major republican figure called people "leeches"
 
The transition isn't just "bumpy" as you put it, it is insane. Our entire infrastructure is built on traditional energy, and little has been done to change that. So for all the talk of wanting to switch to "green energy" it just plain doesn't exist to the level it needs to even make a dent in traditional energy. But, strangling traditional sources for an energy pipe dream is suicide.

We can use the term suicide metaphorically and then we can look and real actual deaths of people who have lost their very lives as a consequence of our national oil monopoly and if you reverently consider those who have perished due to oil rooted and funded terrorism, the courageous military personnel who have given their lives in our defense against those who would kill us over oil related entaglement and of for a moment also think about the innocent people in the Middle East who due to no fault of their own happened to be born in an oil rich war zone and the number dead over oil could populate a large city. What's really disturbing is considering the petroleum monopoly, which our no competion traditional energy infrastructure supports has us in the present bondage to entaglement with the most dangerous people on earth due to well documented successful efforts to crush any competition to oil over the decades was driven by greed. I'm perfectly okay with pursuing profits and in fairness, although anti-trust activities are at best unethical methods to keep consumers economically enslaved to them, nobody could have predicted 9/11 and its response and the incredible loss of human life on all sides.

I don't like paying through the nose for gas anymore than the next guy, in fact I probably resent it more than most. I do firmly believe we need other options with respect to personal transportation than oil and thankfully we're taking those steps now. I also am persuaded the financial costs of investing in automotive alternative energy advancements are a drop in the bucket compared to the financial costs of the war on terror, the war in Iraq and other oil monopoly triggered conflict response.
 
Yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The US also artificially holds down industry with all those terrible, burdensome regulations regarding "safety gear" and "not dumping toxic waste in the nearest river." Like everything, it's a cost/benefit question. What do we gain by opening up ANWR, and does this make it worth the damage done to the wilderness area?

Oh come on Deuce....Look, I grew up in Michigan, during the 70's and early 80's when the pollution of the Grand river through Lansing, and lakes like Erie, Superior, and Saginaw bay were polluted enough to damn near garner super funding for clean up. Today they are in never before clarity seen in my lifetime. The air is cleaner, and the general mood of people keeping their areas litter free is vastly improved. But it's just never good enough for the eco perfectionists is it? In their eyes the problem is human existence isn't it....?

If you can't even tell me how much you think gas prices would reduce by, how on earth am I supposed to evaluate that choice?

I would think the pricing when Bush left office, IOW, the prices that Bush left Obama @ $1.86 per gallon, now maybe if Obama hadn't been artificially tamping down inflation, that price may be somewhere around $2.30, or $2.40 per gallon, but $4.00? come on! We know what's going on here....This is Cas Sustien's 'nudge'.....
 
Oh come on Deuce....Look, I grew up in Michigan, during the 70's and early 80's when the pollution of the Grand river through Lansing, and lakes like Erie, Superior, and Saginaw bay were polluted enough to damn near garner super funding for clean up. Today they are in never before clarity seen in my lifetime. The air is cleaner, and the general mood of people keeping their areas litter free is vastly improved. But it's just never good enough for the eco perfectionists is it? In their eyes the problem is human existence isn't it....?

I'm glad you agree pollution control is not inherently bad.



I would think the pricing when Bush left office, IOW, the prices that Bush left Obama @ $1.86 per gallon, now maybe if Obama hadn't been artificially tamping down inflation, that price may be somewhere around $2.30, or $2.40 per gallon, but $4.00? come on! We know what's going on here....This is Cas Sustien's 'nudge'.....
Are you trying to tell me that you actually believe opening ANWR would reduce gas prices to $2? I've got a bridge to sell you in California!

You seem to have completely suppressed the per-recession gas prices from memory. Impressive.
 
I'm glad you agree pollution control is not inherently bad.

Of course not, I am a conservative. But you ignored the question in that paragraph...This much I expected.

Are you trying to tell me that you actually believe opening ANWR would reduce gas prices to $2? I've got a bridge to sell you in California!

ANWAR by itself? No, and no one said that...That is your strawman. I am saying that a comprehensive (since y'all love that word) approach, including exploitation of our total resource package, oil, gas, coal, and green would have not only kept prices low at what you define as the worst economic time since 1932, but would created jobs, and possibly the greatest recovery ever. That could have been Obama's legacy, and would have ensured demo's a legit place at the table of not wanting to destroy their own country.

You seem to have completely suppressed the per-recession gas prices from memory. Impressive.

And you ideologically suppress much as well.
 
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