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Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

That is some mighty odd logic. A new vehicle costs far more than a new gun (and lasts far less time), yet the driver's license cost is far less. Using your "if you can afford it" logic then why stop at $240? Perhaps the cost of a DL should be raised to $20,000 to make its ratio to an average new car cost about the same as a CHL is to the cost of a new handgun. ;)

Average Price of a New Car? - Forbes

Do you have any idea how much new plates cost in Florida? $200.00 every ten years mandatory. Now lets add in the yearly registration price of $35.00. so that is 550.00 to license and register you car every ten years. Now lets add in village taxes depending on the state and gas taxes. Sorry that does not float man.
 
I am not sure it is important if the person was killed in a group or by themselves on the street.
 
Do you have any idea how much new plates cost in Florida? $200.00 every ten years mandatory. Now lets add in the yearly registration price of $35.00. so that is 550.00 to license and register you car every ten years. Now lets add in village taxes depending on the state and gas taxes. Sorry that does not float man.

Let's see $55/year for a $30,000 car vs. $38/year for a $350 handgun; it is not even close. ;)
 
Can anyone guess which policies contributed greatly to this reduction in gun crime?

Databasing, big brother type monitoring, ignoring 4th amendment restrictions, aggressive policing?
 
Let's see $55/year for a $30,000 car vs. $38/year for a $350 handgun; it is not even close. ;)

That is irrelevant. The cost of the item has no correlation at all, none.
 
But, but, but 0.18% is just like 10.8%

They both have a zero, a one, and an eight!

Yep. It is simply that mind over matter thing; if he doesn't mind then it doesn't matter. ;)
 
True for the most part, but frisking for weapons does not violate the 4th amend.

On a few points they do. First off, it shouldn't be illegal to carry a gun in the first place (ok...that one's second amendment). Secondly, these policies don't necessarily require that there be any reasonable suspicion that one is carrying a gun. If they do not have proper cause or warrant, they should not be allowed to search.
 
I agree and I wish ttwt would stop confusing the issue with facts

What facts? That owning a gun cost less than owning a car? Owning a car is not even remotely related or comparable to owning a weapon of any type. Of course never let reality get in the way of a good argument seems to be the motto of you two. It is a silly apples to oranges comparison based on nonsense.
 
On a few points they do. First off, it shouldn't be illegal to carry a gun in the first place (ok...that one's second amendment). Secondly, these policies don't necessarily require that there be any reasonable suspicion that one is carrying a gun. If they do not have proper cause or warrant, they should not be allowed to search.

Terry stop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It can be argued, and has, that the police in NYC have not always complied with the requirements of the law concerning Terry stops
 
That is relevant. The cost of the item has no correlation at all, none.

That was exactly the argument that you initially presented to defend the high cost of a CHL - the ability to afford the "high cost" of a handgun. When shown how rediculously out of proportion it was, you now blow it off as not important? There is no valid reason to charge 10x the fee for a CHL than for a DL except to try to limit those that can afford it. Get real!
 
Yep. It is simply that mind over matter thing; if he doesn't mind then it doesn't matter. ;)

Yea because that is exactly what I said. Jeeesh.
 
That was exactly the argument that you initially presented to defend the high cost of a CHL - the ability to afford the "high cost" of a handgun. When shown how rediculously out of proportion it was, you now blow it off as not important? There is no valid reason to charge 10x the fee for a CHL than for a DL except to try to limit those that can afford it. Get real!

That is not what I said. I said if they can afford a gun, that minor tax is nothing. Has nothing to do with the cost of a car or any other cost of owning a car. I was showing the cost of owning a car is and was not applicable. If you want to own something you pay the price, period. If you want a sports car, you pay the price plus all lic docs and fee's, period. Same for a gun.
 
What facts? That owning a gun cost less than owning a car? Owning a car is not even remotely related or comparable to owning a weapon of any type. Of course never let reality get in the way of a good argument seems to be the motto of you two. It is a silly apples to oranges comparison based on nonsense.

Please note the number of injuries and deaths attributed to car use compared to those for gun abuse. They are both clearly "pubilc safety" issues (but with many more deaths and injuries from cars), and both have the same "administrative" costs to the state - they are simply plastic cards with photos on them (apples to apples).
 
Please note the number of injuries and deaths attributed to car use compared to those for gun abuse. They are both clearly "pubilc safety" issues (but with many more deaths and injuries from cars), and both have the same "administrative" costs to the state - they are simply plastic cards with photos on them (apples to apples).

Has nothing at all to do with anything I said. They are not comparable. never were and never will be. You mite as well compare the flavor of an orange to the flavor of an apple. One is no better than the other and really can't be compared. Comparing gun safety to car safety and correlating cost is ridicules.
 
That is not what I said. I said if they can afford a gun, that minor tax is nothing. Has nothing to do with the cost of a car or any other cost of owning a car. I was showing the cost of owning a car is and was not applicable. If you want to own something you pay the price, period. If you want a sports car, you pay the price plus all lic docs and fee's, period. Same for a gun.

Except owning a car isn't a costitutional right and I shouldn't have to pay for a permit to excercise my civil rights.
 
Yes, there are some issues with how it has been implemented, but I believe those could be handled with some effort

I honestly don't think it's possible to legally stop people at random and frisk them without amending the Constitution.
 
Yea because that is exactly what I said. Jeeesh.

That is exactly what you said. You tried to justify the high cost of a CHL based on the high cost of a handgun. Stating that poor folks can surely afford both, $350 for a handgun and then an additional $240 for permission to carry rental (4 years), $70 (plus refresher class fee) for CHL renewal.
 
Mental illness is a small issue compared to gang violence where guns are concerned. Gang violence accounts for 80%+ of gun crime. So why are they focusing so much attention on mental illness? Only one person doing a mass shooting was able to buy a gun legally because the background check missed his mental background. The others were not gotten legally. So mental illness played only a small role, it would have made no difference.

Stop freaking wasting time on things that are mostly irrelevant to push a political agenda that promotes banning of weapons based on stupidity.

And everyone knows that gangs buy their guns at gun shows, gun shops or from their own internal FFL dealers. ;)
 
Except owning a car isn't a costitutional right and I shouldn't have to pay for a permit to excercise my civil rights.

Unfortunately the SCOTUS says they do "states" have the right to regulate it. No denying that.
 
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