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Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

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LiberalAvenger said:
Yeah.:roll:
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Sorry Lib, I mistook you for a sensible contributor, with a similar name. How cool would that be hey? War with China...:stars:

Paul
 
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:wink:
gunner said:
Sorry Lib, I mistook you for a sensible contributor, with a similar name. How cool would that be hey? War with China...:stars:

Paul
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Meh, devil's advocate.:blah:
 
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Dragonfly said:
Yeah...umm.... I'm sure the USofA has never "hacked" its way into places "we" shouldn't be.....

because "we're" all about playing fair, and doing the what's right, and taking the moral high ground......

:lamo:lamo:lamo
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Excellent post! :lamo
 
Fog hit said:
I can't believe that this thread is not overwhelmed with traffic. This issue is probably the greatest concern of anyone who can see the ramifications of what could be a reason for war.

Far too long has our government placated transgressions of invasions by the Chinese Military. The blind eye of duplicitous mendacious messages from China has modified ified the truth of Chinese intentions.

I would not want to be a citizen of Australia, or New Zealand, in the near future.

Sequester?... Childs play in comparison to this red flag warning by DC.
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Problem is, this story is just not 'sexy' enough. We need an affair, Kim Kardashian and someone calling someone else a "poo-poo head," in order to get any attention, unfortunately.
 
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Helix said:
i am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

here's another one to think about : pretty much every piece of electronic tech that we have is made there. do we just trust them not to put a backdoor in? i'm almost relieved that they currently have to hack to get in.
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A greater concern would be, if we go to war with China we will be thrown back to 1960 technology wise. It would not be easy to start up electronics manufacturing overnight. If money is no object we would still have a lack of equipment to replace the electronics we get from Asia. We have lost alot of the labor and engineering that knows how to do this work. Infrastructure wise we depend on sources of equipment from dubious "friends" in the world. If you want a threat to US national defence, this is the one I am worried about.
 
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Slateriesling said:
A greater concern would be, if we go to war with China we will be thrown back to 1960 technology wise. It would not be easy to start up electronics manufacturing overnight. If money is no object we would still have a lack of equipment to replace the electronics we get from Asia. We have lost alot of the labor and engineering that knows how to do this work. Infrastructure wise we depend on sources of equipment from dubious "friends" in the world. If you want a threat to US national defence, this is the one I am worried about.
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we'd be damned dumb to go to war against China, hacking or not. a large part of the world would be thrown back well past 1960.

we do, however, need to get our **** together and consider getting our electronics manufacturing infrastructure up to speed, and we need to safeguard our private infrastructure against stuxnet-type attacks. i truly wish that we had never developed that.
 
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Petty posturing on the part of the U.S. government. In the current economic climate, China is untouchable and they all know it.

At some point we are going to have to accept the consequences of our government information systems being globalized. Intranets would be far more secure, but our foreign and mobile operations demand constant access from anywhere in the world. If you want that kind of power you're going to have to deal with the vulnerabilities that accompany it.

Personally, if our sensitive files are to be digitized, I think we should be putting our most classified data into intranets, assuming we haven't already. Certain content should only be accessible from certain locations within the continental U.S.
 
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gunner said:
What, starting a War with China?
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Totally unacceptable. It would cut off our source of iPhones, iPads, iPods... Too terrible to contemplate. :shock:
 
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Northern Light said:
Petty posturing on the part of the U.S. government. In the current economic climate, China is untouchable and they all know it.

At some point we are going to have to accept the consequences of our government information systems being globalized. Intranets would be far more secure, but our foreign and mobile operations demand constant access from anywhere in the world. If you want that kind of power you're going to have to deal with the vulnerabilities that accompany it.

Personally, if our sensitive files are to be digitized, I think we should be putting our most classified data into intranets, assuming we haven't already. Certain content should only be accessible from certain locations within the continental U.S.
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Do what the inventor of the internet suggested, put them in a lock box.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
It might have worked but they never did it. They put the cheese next to the rathole.
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But.. but... but... OwlGore SAID there was a social security lockbox! Surely you are not accusing him of exaggeration or untruth!! Say it ain't so...
 
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Diogenes said:
But.. but... but... OwlGore SAID there was a social security lockbox! Surely you are not accusing him of exaggeration or untruth!! Say it ain't so...
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It aint so. Feel better now?
 
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What we do is hire more geeks and hack the **** out of China.

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Send Danarhea there to get even:smileyfart
 
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China seems to be a culture thats incapable of coming up with purely original ideas. One member of my family is a plaintiff lawyer that used to travel to China quite a bit. Before going his lap-top was turned in to the IT department at the Law Firm and a totally stripped laptop was given to him for the trip to China. The Chinese associates he worked WITH would strip any data out of the lap top by hacking into it after it was submitted for "inspection" at the Chinese offices he worked at.

They ignore patents, they ignore proprietary information, they steal software, they insert insidious virus's and Trojans and mine data form those laptops once it gets back to the US.

All this seems to support and expose one major flaw of the Chinese Govt and it's people. That they're limited in creating their own comparable technology or any tech that would surpass American tech.
 
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Fenton said:
China seems to be a culture thats incapable of coming up with purely original ideas. One member of my family is a plaintiff lawyer that used to travel to China quite a bit. Before going his lap-top was turned in to the IT department at the Law Firm and a totally stripped laptop was given to him for the trip to China. The Chinese associates he worked WITH would strip any data out of the lap top by hacking into it after it was submitted for "inspection" at the Chinese offices he worked at.

They ignore patents, they ignore proprietary information, they steal software, they insert insidious virus's and Trojans and mine data form those laptops once it gets back to the US.

All this seems to support and expose one major flaw of the Chinese Govt and it's people. That they're limited in creating their own comparable technology or any tech that would surpass American tech.
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Chinese espionage with regards to technology is hardly a flaw, its entirely in their national interest. Developing new technology yourself is more expensive and slower than using already existing solutions. When the U.S. was starting to industrialize we cheerfully ripped of the British in building our own technological base. Once China has caught up, then they will start researching their own stuff. You might not like what they are doing, but you can hardly deny its effectiveness.
 
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Fenton said:
China seems to be a culture thats incapable of coming up with purely original ideas. One member of my family is a plaintiff lawyer that used to travel to China quite a bit. Before going his lap-top was turned in to the IT department at the Law Firm and a totally stripped laptop was given to him for the trip to China. The Chinese associates he worked WITH would strip any data out of the lap top by hacking into it after it was submitted for "inspection" at the Chinese offices he worked at.

They ignore patents, they ignore proprietary information, they steal software, they insert insidious virus's and Trojans and mine data form those laptops once it gets back to the US.

All this seems to support and expose one major flaw of the Chinese Govt and it's people. That they're limited in creating their own comparable technology or any tech that would surpass American tech.
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That's because they do not know the meaning of freedom and free speech.
 
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