After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery

Naptyme · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
Robert Byrd was a racist. But, he had an epiphany.

He was also from a state with a strong union.

I suspect he was a politician first, and quickly realized playing the GOP's Southern Strategy would not serve him well. So, he abandoned his racist ways.

I agree with the part that he was a politician first. If there is 1 thing a politician is good at it's lying to get votes. I don't believe anything a politician says no matter the party they come from.

Fenton · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
So, you Texans don't love America. I'm not
surprised.

No, we Texans just believe in Character and Integrity, and if you want to get personal you should do it in person.

Texas did not screw up this Country. The "first black president " did. Actually I blame his white half, you know so you know I'm cool.

Texas is one of the last bastions of liberty and self reliance. It's why people come here. Because those principles are typically Conservative principles and Conservative principles drive a private sector economy.

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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Fenton said:
No, we Texans just believe in Character and Integrity, and if you want to get personal you should do it in person.

Texas did not screw up this Country. The "first black president " did. Actually I blame his white half, you know so you know I'm cool.

Texas is one of the last bastions of liberty and self reliance. It's why people come here. Because those principles are typically Conservative principles and Conservative principles drive a private sector economy.

So, you love Texas more than America. I get it.

Fenton · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
So, you love Texas more than America. I get it.

You know, thats a good question. I'm a patriot sure, my oldest is in the Navy.

I love my Country but I'm not the one who voted in ideologue who's agenda seems to be economic anihilation.

Texas is home. My lineage goes back 5 generations and I even have Texas Native American lineage on my Mothers side.

Hell a few days out in the sun and I'm blacker than BO.

So if I HAD to chose I would chose Texas.

cpgrad08 · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
So, you love Texas more than America. I get it.

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apdst · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
Their right to own slaves. Right?

Their right to own property.

Somerville · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
Their right to own property.

more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?

American · Feb 25, 2013

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Wiggen said:
No, thanks to Lyndon Johnson and a liberal congress, those things are a thing of the past. However, should Ron Paul ever be elected President and the Civil Rights Act repealed, we could see it again.

You actually used these two in the same sentence? You're just making **** up now. Show me where Ron Paul is against civil rights.

j-mac · Feb 25, 2013

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Somerville said:
more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?

During that time period, wasn't that the thinking?

Somerville · Feb 25, 2013

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j-mac said:
During that time period, wasn't that the thinking?

Only for the minority who refused to accept the possibility that they were wrong - after all the Bible said slavery was OK with YWHW, so why couldn't they do the same thing.

You can read the apologists who try to babble on and on how "the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed: without noting the verses that follow this statement:

Exodus 21:16 (NASB95) - " He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." - Biblia.com
20 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished.

21 “If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

Then there is Leviticus 25:39-46

39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves.
40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.
41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors.
42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves.
43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

apdst · Feb 25, 2013

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Somerville said:
more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?

No, I'M not saying that. I'm saying that was the perspective of the time.

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
Their right to own property.

Blacks are nothing but property then. Something to be bought and sold and done with as Master wills.

Let me ask this. Do you think it bad that the Confederates lost the war?

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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Fenton said:
You know, thats a good question. I'm a patriot sure, my oldest is in the Navy.

I love my Country but I'm not the one who voted in ideologue who's agenda seems to be economic anihilation.

Texas is home. My lineage goes back 5 generations and I even have Texas Native American lineage on my Mothers side.

Hell a few days out in the sun and I'm blacker than BO.

So if I HAD to chose I would chose Texas.

Funny. Millions of us said the same thing from 2001 until 2009, when the former Texas Governor fumbled his way though two terms. Our turn now.

America. I love this country.

Somerville · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
No, I'M not saying that. I'm saying that was the perspective of the time.

Sorry but you are saying precisely that in attempting to justify the actions of those who seceded from the Union. It was what they said at the time and it is rather obviously what you have said here in your posts about an "over-reaching federal government". Slavery was the single cause of the Civil War and all other attempts at justification are ex post facto

apdst · Feb 25, 2013

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Somerville said:
Sorry but you are saying precisely that in attempting to justify the actions of those who seceded from the Union. It was what they said at the time and it is rather obviously what you have said here in your posts about an "over-reaching federal government". Slavery was the single cause of the Civil War and all other attempts at justification are ex post facto

Slavery wasnt the single cause of the Civil War.

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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Somerville said:
Sorry but you are saying precisely that in attempting to justify the actions of those who seceded from the Union. It was what they said at the time and it is rather obviously what you have said here in your posts about an "over-reaching federal government". Slavery was the single cause of the Civil War and all other attempts at justification are ex post facto

What's more. It's not like Lincoln, upon being elected, sent union troops into the South to liberate Southern "property". No. The South seceded because the Lincoln administration stood against the expansion of slavery.

So, at its core, the South threw a hissy not because anyone was violating their right to own slave. They seceded because their precious way of life would not be advancing further West. A far cry from the bs being sold above.

apdst · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
What's more. It's not like Lincoln, upon being elected, sent union troops into the South to liberate Southern "property". No. The South seceded because the Lincoln administration stood against the expansion of slavery.

So, at its core, the South threw a hissy not because anyone was violating their right to own slave. They seceded because their precious way of life would not be advancing further West. A far cry from the bs being sold above.

If the Civil War was fought over slavery and no other reason, then what were slave holders serving in the Federal armiesvfightong for?

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
Slavery wasnt the single cause of the Civil War.

It was the primary reason the South seceded, which then resulted in the war. In fact, judging by the images of cotton picking negros depicted on Confederate States money, I'd venture to say, slavery was their sole purpose for forming a second country.

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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How quaint.

calamity · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
If the Civil War was fought over slavery and no other reason, then what were slave holders serving in the Federal armiesvfightong for?

Several reasons,

At the start of the Civil War nonslaveholders rallied to defend "Southern rights" in impressive numbers, creating the impression of a "solid South" in which whites of all classes stood behind the Confederacy. However, as the war dragged on the Confederacy demanded increasing sacrifices. The draft, crop impressments, Confederate suspensions of civil liberties, and exemptions of plantation owners from military duty especially rankled the nonslaveholders. Resentments against the large slaveholders, on whose behalf the war seemed to be fought, blossomed. Following periods of military failure, increasing numbers of nonslaveholders refused to fight and die for a slaveholder's republic. Ultimately, according to some historians, so many of the common people turned against the Confederacy that internal conflict and demoralization, rather than defeat on the battlefield, destroyed the South's ability to resist the North.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/honey1.htm

Although, looks to me like it was mostly Southern non-slaveowners who were fighting for the Union.

Wiggen · Feb 25, 2013

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American said:
You actually used these two in the same sentence? You're just making **** up now. Show me where Ron Paul is against civil rights.

Ron Paul has said he was not in favor of the 1964 Civil Rights Act as it applied to private businesses.

Ron Paul Says He Would Have Voted Against Civil Rights Act - COLORLINES

Do you ever bother to do any research before you post your knee jerk defense of right wing bull****?

Wiggen · Feb 25, 2013

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Naptyme said:
Like Robert Byrd? Oh my bad, he had a D after his name. I find it hilarious a known KKK member was in office up until 2010 but yet it is the Republican party that is the party of racists. Both parties have racists and to believe otherwise is ridiculous. Besides, a true Republican would never don the uniform of a democratic organization.

You mean like David Duke, a former Republican candidate for Governor of Louisiana? But if your point is that Conservative southern racists dominated southern politics, you get no argument from me. They used ot be Democrats, now they're Republicans.

Wiggen · Feb 25, 2013

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calamity said:
What's more. It's not like Lincoln, upon being elected, sent union troops into the South to liberate Southern "property". No. The South seceded because the Lincoln administration stood against the expansion of slavery.

So, at its core, the South threw a hissy not because anyone was violating their right to own slave. They seceded because their precious way of life would not be advancing further West. A far cry from the bs being sold above.

Sometimes our Conservative Southern friends need a dose of reality. Apparently Jefferson Davis Junior College doesn't teach U.S. History to them.

Wiggen · Feb 25, 2013

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apdst said:
If the Civil War was fought over slavery and no other reason, then what were slave holders serving in the Federal armiesvfightong for?

Let me try and explain this to you, although any reasonable history text book would do the same (except for Texas, where they're re-writing history books to reflect the secessionist viewpoint). Here goes"

The South fought the war to preserve slavery. The North fought the war to preserve the Union. I'd suggest you print this and put it somewhere where you can read it every day.

Wiggen · Feb 25, 2013

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j-mac said:
During that time period, wasn't that the thinking?

Well, it sure as hell was in the south.

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