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After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery

What took you so long??

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Why did it take Mississippi so long to ratify the 13th Amendment?
 
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Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Uh, no. Not what I meant nor really said, exactly. But, I can see where that would be interpreted as such. I mean, sure, life was a grand old party for a few years during reconstruction, but it was so short-lived, I don't really see how that would count. For all intents and purposes, Blacks went from being enslaved to being forced to live in apartheid.

You said that Jim Crow spanned from 1864 to 1964. Not much interpretation, there and you're are seriously mistaken in your comments.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

You said that Jim Crow spanned from 1864 to 1964. Not much interpretation, there and you're are seriously mistaken in your comments.

I first wrote this.
With another hundred years of lynching and separate bathrooms, water fountains and lunch counters to follow.

Then I got lazy, and wrote that.
1864 until 1964 = 100 years of Jim Crow.

We all know what I meant though, Jim Crow didn't end until 100 years after slavery was abolished. Nobody really counts those few years during reconstruction when things were different because equality was enforced by union troops stationed on formerly Confederste soil.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

I first wrote this.

Then I got lazy, and wrote that.


We all know what I meant though, Jim Crow didn't end until 100 years after slavery was abolished.

We all know what you wrote and what you wrote is incredibly erroneous. It almost sounds as if you're saying that the Civil War ended in 1864, but that's too incredible, even for a Liberal.

Nobody really counts those few years during reconstruction when things were different because equality was enforced by union troops stationed on formerly Confederste soil.


If you believe that, you really, really, really need to read a book on Reconstruction. Federal troops committed many crimes and did many things, during Reconstruction, but enforcing equality was definitely not one of the things they did.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

We all know what you wrote and what you wrote is incredibly erroneous. It almost sounds as if you're saying that the Civil War ended in 1864, but that's too incredible, even for a Liberal.
No. The 13th was passed within a year of 1864, officially ending slavery.

Arent you Right Wingers the ones who always argue that the Civil War had nothing to do with ending slavery? Funny you would argue that it did now.


If you believe that, you really, really, really need to read a book on Reconstruction. Federal troops committed many crimes and did many things, during Reconstruction, but enforcing equality was definitely not one of the things they did.
Actually, they did enforce equality so Blacks could vote and get elected to office. The Southern man didn't like it, squealed like a stuck pig, and found a way to cut a deal with Andrew Johnson the racist to end reconstruction.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

LOL !!

I bet you know how to spell it.

Being proud of ignorance seems to be a common trait over there on the Far Right.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

No. The 13th was passed within a year of 1864, officially ending slavery.

Arent you Right Wingers the ones who always argue that the Civil War had nothing to do with ending slavery? Funny you would argue that it did now.

Who said that? I sure as hell didn't.



Actually, they did enforce equality so Blacks could vote and get elected to office. The Southern man didn't like it, squealed like a stuck pig, and found a way to cut a deal with Andrew Johnson the racist to end reconstruction.[/QUOTE]

Andrew Johnson, "the racist", was simply following Lincoln's intent of reconstruction.

However, Federal troops in the south did anything but, "enforce equality". Do I need to post a definition of, "equality"?
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Who said that? I sure as hell didn't.
Your Southern Conservative brothers, of course. You are a Southern Conservative, Right? Maybe you should ask them why the Civil War was fought. I believe they call it the "War of Northern Aggression". :lol:



Andrew Johnson, "the racist", was simply following Lincoln's intent of reconstruction.
No he wasn't. He bucked the intent of the Republican Party. Why do you think he was impeached?

However, Federal troops in the south did anything but, "enforce equality". Do I need to post a definition of, "equality"?
Equality does not apply to the losing side in a revolt. Enforcing equality does mena making sure that those who were oppressed are not coninuing to be oppressed by the losing side of the revolt.

Are you a fan of Confederate Scum?
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Your Southern Conservative brothers, of course. You are a Southern Conservative, Right. Maybe you should ask them why the Civil War was fought. I believe they call it the "War of Northern Aggression". :lol:

Now, you're saying something totally different. "why the Civil War was fought", and, "the Civil War had nothing to do with ending slavery", are two totally different statements.






Equality does not apply to the losing side in a revolt. Enforcing equality does mena making sure that those who were oppressed are not coninuing to be oppressed by the losing side of the revolt.

So, IOW, they didn't enforce equality? Thanks for admitting that.

Now that we've established that, let me go farther by saying that Jim Crow was a by-product of Reconstruction and not one of southern culture.

Are you a fan of Confederate Scum?

All Confederates were scum?
 
The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union since Lincoln believed that States couldn't succed. One of the outcomes of.the war was freeing the slaves just remeber that Lincoln wouldn't have freed the slaves if meant preserving the union.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Now, you're saying something totally different. "why the Civil War was fought", and, "the Civil War had nothing to do with ending slavery", are two totally different statements.
Either way, I never said anything about the Civil War in any of my comments until you brought it up. I said slavery ended in 1864, the 13th Amendment which was ratified in 1865.

As far as I'm concerned, the Civil war was fought to end the Confederate secession. And, the Confederates seceded because Lincoln was elected. Their fear was that Lincoln would stop the expansion of slavery into new states, thus eventually killing the institution, which was their bread and butter.



So, IOW, they didn't enforce equality? Thanks for admitting that.
Yes they did. I just didn't extend the term to include the rebels. In fact, the rebels should consider themselves lucky that they were not exterminated. Lynching them from various trees would have been more than appropriate, IMO.
Here's exactly what the Union Troops did, since you are so confused about the term "equality", for some reason wanting to include the rebelious former slave owners in that context.
Impeachment of Andrew Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reconstruction policies of protection for newly freed slaves and punishment for former slave owners and government and military officials.

Now that we've established that, let me go farther by saying that Jim Crow was a by-product of Reconstruction and not one of southern culture.
Is that what they teach you there in Texas? Sheesh.



All Confederates were scum?
Yep, no different than Nazis or any other enemy of these great United States of America!
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union since Lincoln believed that States couldn't succed. One of the outcomes of.the war was freeing the slaves just remeber that Lincoln wouldn't have freed the slaves if meant preserving the union.

Why did they secede?
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Either way, I never said anything about the Civil War in any of my comments until you brought it up. I said slavery ended in 1864, the 13th Amendment which was ratified in 1865.

Which in no way marked the beginning of Jim Crow, as you suggested.

As far as I'm concerned, the Civil war was fought to end the Confederate secession. And, the Confederates seceded because Lincoln was elected. Their fear was that Lincoln would stop the expansion of slavery into new states, thus eventually killing the institution, which was their bread and butter.

That's the first accurate statement you've made, so far. Congragulations!




Yes they did. I just didn't extend the term to include the rebels.

Which means that there wasn't, "equality". The only thing that happened was to create a new oppressed class of people.

In fact, the rebels should consider themselves lucky that they were not exterminated. Lynching them from various trees would have been more than appropriate, IMO.

That would have been a gigantic mistake and Union leaders of the time knew it.

Here's exactly what the Union Troops did, since you are so confused about the term "equality", for some reason wanting to include the rebelious former slave owners in that context.
Impeachment of Andrew Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reconstruction policies of protection for newly freed slaves and punishment for former slave owners and government and military officials.

What about the former Confederates that weren't slave owners?

Is that what they teach you there in Texas? Sheesh.

My knowledge of the Civil War--and history as a whole--wasn't attained in the classroom of a public school. You can bet on that...LOL!!




Yep, no different than Nazis or any other enemy of these great United States of America!

Well, there's a huge difference.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Why did they secede?

Because they felt that their rights were being threatened and that if one right could be stripped away, all their rights could be stripped away.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Because they felt that their rights were being threatened and that if one right could be stripped away, all their rights could be stripped away.



Why don't you mention that the "rights" being threatened were those which allowed some folks to own other human beings and to treat them as domestic animals.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Why don't you mention that the "rights" being threatened were those which allowed some folks to own other human beings and to treat them as domestic animals.

Actually, it was more about states rights and property rights. It wasn't just about, "[owning] other human beings".

Only 1% of Confederate soldiers even owned slaves, so it's a helluva stretch to claim that they were all fighting to preserve slavery.

Was the Rev-War just about taxation without representation? No, it wasn't. A with the Civil War, it was a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights. Disagree with that all you want, but that was the perspective of the southerners who supported seccession.

Even Frederich Douglass new that the war wasn't being fought over slavery:

"To fight against slaveholders, without fighting against slavery, is but a half-hearted business, and paralyzes the hands engaged in it."
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Actually, it was more about states rights and property rights. It wasn't just about, "[owning] other human beings".

Only 1% of Confederate soldiers even owned slaves, so it's a helluva stretch to claim that they were all fighting to preserve slavery.

Was the Rev-War just about taxation without representation? No, it wasn't. A with the Civil War, it was a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights. Disagree with that all you want, but that was the perspective of the southerners who supported seccession.

Even Frederich Douglass new that the war wasn't being fought over slavery:

"To fight against slaveholders, without fighting against slavery, is but a half-hearted business, and paralyzes the hands engaged in it."


Gee, I wonder why every statement of cause for secession mentioned slavery before any other reasons.

This sounds so American, "a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights" The federal government supported by the majority of Americans had made no move to emancipate slaves before the start of the war, they had said that there would be no slavery in new states and some states, not the federal government had refused to send escaped slaves back to their owners.

This attempted conflation of present views on the over-reaching federal government and the situation in the America of 1860 does not bode well for civil peace in this nation. Far too many, a minority but still numerous, see themselves as victims of some frightening spectre led by a man they refuse to acknowledge as their President.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Gee, I wonder why every statement of cause for secession mentioned slavery before any other reasons.

This sounds so American, "a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights" The federal government supported by the majority of Americans had made no move to emancipate slaves before the start of the war, they had said that there would be no slavery in new states and some states, not the federal government had refused to send escaped slaves back to their owners.

This attempted conflation of present views on the over-reaching federal government and the situation in the America of 1860 does not bode well for civil peace in this nation. Far too many, a minority but still numerous, see themselves as victims of some frightening spectre led by a man they refuse to acknowledge as their President.

For the same reason the Colonials only ever mentioned taxation without representation as the reason for revolting against England.

Choose to view things from the wrong historical perspective and you will continue to be wrong; just no way around it.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Being proud of ignorance seems to be a common trait over there on the Far
Right.

I'll pick "ignorance" over your racism every day.

Its people like you who fight to keep the distinctions of man relevent because it plays to your agenda.

I have Union ancestry and confederate ancestry and I'm proud of both.

With all of your accusations you still can't deny the origins of the Democrat party were overt racist and the racism in the current democrat party is hidden behind the pretense of dependence.

You wan't to call a Texan "Confederate Scum", you need to come here and say it someone's face.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Want to become a politician--slap an R behind your name, don a sheet, and run for office in one of the former Confederate States?

Like Robert Byrd? Oh my bad, he had a D after his name. I find it hilarious a known KKK member was in office up until 2010 but yet it is the Republican party that is the party of racists. Both parties have racists and to believe otherwise is ridiculous. Besides, a true Republican would never don the uniform of a democratic organization.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Which in no way marked the beginning of Jim Crow, as you suggested.
as you interpreted it. I was more focused on the end of Jim Crow, not its beginning. from when Slavery was officially ended. Funny how you Conservatives focus on irrelevant crap to make your silly arguments. Who really gives a crap on exactly when Jim Crow started, or whether it was in place for 100 years or 90? I guess its another one of those insignificant details that matters mostly to the Far Right.



Which means that there wasn't, "equality". The only thing that happened was to create a new oppressed class of people.
Not punishing the rebels ushered in 90 years of Jim Crow. Obviously, let them off the hook was a serious mistake.

That would have been a gigantic mistake and Union leaders of the time knew it.
Not really. We'd have ended up with a South that was mostly Black is all. Do you think that would have been a mistake?



What about the former Confederates that weren't slave owners?
What about Nazis who weren't guards in the concentration camps?


My knowledge of the Civil War--and history as a whole--wasn't attained in the classroom of a public school. You can bet on that...LOL!!

I bet...it's obvious.


Well, there's a huge difference.
Not really. Not by a longshot.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Because they felt that their rights were being threatened and that if one right could be stripped away, all their rights could be stripped away.

Their right to own slaves. Right?
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

Like Robert Byrd? Oh my bad, he had a D after his name. I find it hilarious a known KKK member was in office up until 2010 but yet it is the Republican party that is the party of racists. Both parties have racists and to believe otherwise is ridiculous. Besides, a true Republican would never don the uniform of a democratic organization.

Robert Byrd was a racist. But, he had an epiphany.
Late in his life, Byrd explicitly renounced his earlier views favoring racial segregation.[49][50] Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964[51] and would change it if he had the opportunity. He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."[49] Byrd also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that black people love their children as much as he does his.
Robert Byrd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He was also from a state with a strong union.

I suspect he was a politician first, and quickly realized playing the GOP's Southern Strategy would not serve him well. So, he abandoned his racist ways.
 
Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

I'll pick "ignorance" over your racism every day.

Its people like you who fight to keep the distinctions of man relevent because it plays to your agenda.

I have Union ancestry and confederate ancestry and I'm proud of both.

With all of your accusations you still can't deny the origins of the Democrat party were overt racist and the racism in the current democrat party is hidden behind the pretense of dependence.

You wan't to call a Texan "Confederate Scum", you need to come here and say it someone's face.

So, you Texans don't love America. I'm not surprised.
 
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