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Popular D.C. Burger Joint Forced to Shut Down

sangha said:
Running a business is hard work. There are a million details that need your attention. It's not something that everyone can do. for all their whining, the rightwingers still cant give one example of a viable business going under because of govt regulation
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You are hilarious. Obviously a viable business is by definition a business that won't go under. However, the difference between a business being a viable one and a non-viable one could very well be the overhead it must bear from regulatory compliance and taxation, and other government mandated expenses. This is a perfectly obvious bit of truth that you are twisting yourselves into knots to avoid acknowledging.

Regulatory, taxation, and other government mandated expenses are higher, therefore some businesses that could make before can't now. All businesses that failed over the last 4 years could be said to have failed at least in part because of this additional burden added at a time when the economy was already weak.
 
LowDown said:
So you're out of touch with conditions for businesses lately, I take it. Are you just going to completely deny that additional taxes and expenses connected to additional regulations and the cost of compliance as well as current and future medical insurance costs make it more difficult to get by?

Small Business Economic Trends Survey - NFIB Optimism Index
Small Business Health Insurance: Costs Still Going Up - NYTimes.com
Small Business Regulations Surge Under Obama - Forbes
Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Small Business Hiring
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Every business has to survive within the climate that exists at that time.

I would be happy to read how this restaurant bit the dust because of some specific regulations or taxes. Please do present that verifiable data.
 
grip said:
No, horses are made from polyester fibers and come in many colors, including plaid. :blink:
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I guess you have never heard of the term "organic" being used to describe meats, fruits and other foods to which no artificial chemicals have been added. I'm sorry my little bon mot was so far over your head. It tickled my funny bone to think of folks who just learned that they'd been fed horse meat being mainly concerned over the fact that it's not organic horse meat. Here, I thought, is an example of foodism taken to an absurd extreme. But irony is truly dead in the land of the silly.

"They fed us a plate of feces, but at least it was organic feces!"
 
haymarket said:
Every business has to survive within the climate that exists at that time.

I would be happy to read how this restaurant bit the dust because of some specific regulations or taxes. Please do present that verifiable data.
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If the business was indeed forced to pay more for regulatory compliance, health insurance, and so on, which it without question was as all other businesses were, then that contributed at least in part to its failure to break even. Ipso facto.
 
LowDown said:
You are hilarious. Obviously a viable business is by definition a business that won't go under. However, the difference between a business being a viable one and a non-viable one could very well be the overhead it must bear from regulatory compliance and taxation, and other government mandated expenses. This is a perfectly obvious bit of truth that you are twisting yourselves into knots to avoid acknowledging.

Regulatory, taxation, and other government mandated expenses are higher, therefore some businesses that could make before can't now. All businesses that failed over the last 4 years could be said to have failed at least in part because of this additional burden added at a time when the economy was already weak.
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So what you're saying is that the regulations threaten the viability of barely profitable businesses. Businesses that do not produce enough income to support a family.

In those case, they were doomed from the start. *ALL* businesses encounter unexpected expenses. It happens all the time, which is why a lack of capitalization is the #1 cause of businesses going under. In those cases, the businesses didn't go under because of regulations. They went under because they were not profitable enough to react to changing conditions.
 
LowDown said:
If the business was indeed forced to pay more for regulatory compliance, health insurance, and so on, which it without question was as all other businesses were, then that contributed at least in part to its failure to break even. Ipso facto.
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Translation: Lowdown has zero knowledge about why this restaurant closed, but that won't stop him from declaring that it was because of the govt
 
LowDown said:
I guess you have never heard of the term "organic" being used to describe meats, fruits and other foods to which no artificial chemicals have been added. I'm sorry my little bon mot was so far over your head. It tickled my funny bone to think of folks who just learned that they'd been fed horse meat being mainly concerned over the fact that it's not organic horse meat. Here, I thought, is an example of foodism taken to an absurd extreme. But irony is truly dead in the land of the silly.

"They fed us a plate of feces, but at least it was organic feces!"
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LOL,,, I didn't know that you meant organic as in nothing unnatural.

It's not about being "organic" though. The horse meat had chemicals not approved for use in human consumption.
I wish I could afford to eat all organic but even the soil and air is loaded with pollutants, so there's nothing truly, purely organic anymore.

I don't know that the horse meat is all that bad. The real point is companies hiding main ingredients from consumers. I doubt "pink slime" is really all that unhealthy but we should be appraised of what we're putting into our mouths. A majority of us would probably cringe if we saw how our food is processed anyway.
 
LowDown said:
If the business was indeed forced to pay more for regulatory compliance, health insurance, and so on, which it without question was as all other businesses were, then that contributed at least in part to its failure to break even. Ipso facto.
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So now all you have to do is provide some verifiable data that the restaurant which is the subject of this thread went out of business because of all the things you are railing against.
 
sangha said:
Yet, oddly enough, the most successful economies in the world have significant levels of regulation, taxation and litigation.
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Yes... taxation and regulation are necessary. Nobody wants anarchy, and some taxation is necessary (for defense etc... not for some perverted Commi/Obama idea of "fairness") ... A whole ton of taxation and regulation are pure... unadulterated waste and BS that kills industry and upward mobility. Why? A mental illness called Socialism.

Do we really want to be like the EU? Not if you have at least three brain cells. Unfortunately many Obama voters can't trip over that hurdle.
 
zimmer said:
Yes... taxation and regulation are necessary. Nobody wants anarchy, and some taxation is necessary (for defense etc... not for some perverted Commi/Obama idea of "fairness") ... A whole ton of taxation and regulation are pure... unadulterated waste and BS that kills industry and upward mobility. Why? A mental illness called Socialism.

Do we really want to be like the EU? Not if you have at least three brain cells. Unfortunately many Obama voters can't trip over that hurdle.
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Yes, there are tons and tons of regulations which are wasteful BS that kills industry

That's why the rightwingers can't identify one regulation that has killed one actual business.
 
LowDown said:
Sorry, but the fact of the matter is that small businesses face more difficult times as a result of government policies instituted by this President. That's just a fact. It stands to reason that some businesses that were getting by before won't be able to make it now.

A person would think that Obama's your child the way you guys jump to defend him from responsibility for anything.
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Low, saying it's the President's fault with no proof is incredible. You know there are a great many more reasons why most businesses come or go.

Secondly, I do defend the President regularly. I also defend the GOP regularly. Most of the times I do it is defending it from desperate idiocy such as this.
 
sangha said:
Yes, there are tons and tons of regulations which are wasteful BS that kills industry

That's why the rightwingers can't identify one regulation that has killed one actual business.
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You really have to have your head deep in some dark cavern to come up with that statement. You obviously haven't run a business. If you do I wish you a visit from OSHA, or get sued because you haven't followed some PC hiring guidelines, or if you're in the F&B business you get a visit from the health services... or try to get a development project permitted and have to jump through dozens of hoops, hire hand-holders to develop YOUR land.

Let's not forget punitive taxation.

My bet is you were not alive when Reagan cut taxes and reduced regulations so business could thrive.

You wonder why businesses leave the US? Minimum wage (which causes artificial wage inflation), and loads of regulations cause business to tell the US to go to hell... and then government whines about jobs being outsourced. THEY and their idiocy caused a large portion of it... or do you forget that businesses have been leaving the US or folding?
 
zimmer said:
You really have to have your head deep in some dark cavern to come up with that statement. You obviously haven't run a business. If you do I wish you a visit from OSHA, or get sued because you haven't followed some PC hiring guidelines, or if you're in the F&B business you get a visit from the health services... or try to get a development project permitted and have to jump through dozens of hoops, hire hand-holders to develop YOUR land.

Let's not forget punitive taxation.

My bet is you were not alive when Reagan cut taxes and reduced regulations so business could thrive.

You wonder why businesses leave the US? Minimum wage (which causes artificial wage inflation), and loads of regulations cause business to tell the US to go to hell... and then government whines about jobs being outsourced. THEY and their idiocy caused a large portion of it... or do you forget that businesses have been leaving the US or folding?
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I have run dozens of businesses, and had many visits from OSHA and a raft of other govt regulatory agencies. None of them has ever put me out of business, and often times the requirements they held me to improved my business and the bottom line and reduced potential liabilities.

And still, the rightwingers can't identify one regulation that has closed one real life actual business
 
sangha said:
Yes, there are tons and tons of regulations which are wasteful BS that kills industry

That's why the rightwingers can't identify one regulation that has killed one actual business.
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Or even why there were more regulations implemented in Bush's 1st term than Obama's. Or that it was the deregulation of the commercial banks that CAUSED the financial collapse which cost millions of jobs and bankrupted 1000's of businesses.
 
sangha said:
Yet, oddly enough, the most successful economies in the world have significant levels of regulation, taxation and litigation.
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Name them.
 
iguanaman said:
Or even why there were more regulations implemented in Bush's 1st term than Obama's. Or that it was the deregulation of the commercial banks that CAUSED the financial collapse which cost millions of jobs and bankrupted 1000's of businesses.
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Only a liberal would claim repeal of Glass Steagall caused the housing bubble to burst. That's comical. Yep left to their own banks those banks just overloaded with toxic mortgage paper. We need MORE regulation!
 
sangha said:
Yes, there are tons and tons of regulations which are wasteful BS that kills industry

That's why the rightwingers can't identify one regulation that has killed one actual business.
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That's easy, classifying CO2 as a pollutant and setting the EPA freee to fark things up.
 
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