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sangha said:
Yes, I've started and run many businesses. Haven't had one fail yet. And I've never had any problem complying with the law either

And I'm not alone. Every year, thousands and thousands of people start new businesses that succeed. Many of them are people who immigrated to this country. If they can do it, so can anyone else.

It takes a rightwinger to blame the president for their own failure to run a succesful business. It's just a part of their principled belief in "personal responsibility" (for everyone but themselves)
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Which types of business and in what industries?

If you want to expand your business to more than 50 people, do you think you'll have trouble complying with the law?
 
Bronson said:
Which types of business and in what industries?

If you want to expand your business to more than 50 people, do you think you'll have trouble complying with the law?
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Well after some bratty temper tantrums Pappa John's and Florida Denny's are going to be able to cope without the threatened draconian acts toward their workers or hiking prices...

I do like blaming a owner of multiple eateries failure to pay rent and damages to the building as President Obama's fault... :roll:

Just how far to the right do you have to hold your head to the right to see it like that???
 
notquiteright said:
Well after some bratty temper tantrums Pappa John's and Florida Denny's are going to be able to cope without the threatened draconian acts toward their workers or hiking prices...

I do like blaming a owner of multiple eateries failure to pay rent and damages to the building as President Obama's fault... :roll:

Just how far to the right do you have to hold your head to the right to see it like that???
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So 2 companies out of the multitude of businesses in this country that caved to left wing political pressure means the rest of them should just shut up and deal with it? Just answer me this. Is Obamacare going to make it easier or harder to expand your business to more than 50 employees? Yes or No

Your post is the poster child as to why Collectivism = Tyranny

You mis-characterize/objectify real costs to business as "temper tantrums" in order to justify your philosophy that business is nothing more than a funding mechanism for a massive welfare state with centralized control. The only people with their head in the sand are hard left radical far left ideologues who don't care how badly Obamacare is having an impact on Economic Growth and Productivity, and who could care less how many businesses go under because of Obama's failed economic policies.

You're actually laughing and joking that this company went out of business as our Economy just shrunk last quarter. Pretty sad, but it just shows the priorities of the radical left wing.
 
clownboy said:
This is why I don't believe you. You came off saying you've owned these businesses, as if that was relevent, but now you modify that to say you may not have ever had employees? Despite what they're telling you, addressing envelopes at home is not a business (for the purposes of this discussion).
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And you continue to make stuff up instead of offering a substantive and factual post.

Read what I wrote again. I never said I don't have any employees. Didn't say I did either.
 
Bronson said:
Which types of business and in what industries?

If you want to expand your business to more than 50 people, do you think you'll have trouble complying with the law?
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I've owned business is a variety including, but not limited to food services, finance, consumer goods, and others.

And I've never had a problem complying with the law. Your posts suggest that you have. Maybe you could give an actual example of this, instead of arguing that it happens without giving one example of it actually happening.
 
Bronson said:
So 2 companies out of the multitude of businesses in this country that caved to left wing political pressure means the rest of them should just shut up and deal with it? Just answer me this. Is Obamacare going to make it easier or harder to expand your business to more than 50 employees? Yes or No

Your post is the poster child as to why Collectivism = Tyranny

You mis-characterize/objectify real costs to business as "temper tantrums" in order to justify your philosophy that business is nothing more than a funding mechanism for a massive welfare state with centralized control. The only people with their head in the sand are hard left radical far left ideologues who don't care how badly Obamacare is having an impact on Economic Growth and Productivity, and who could care less how many businesses go under because of Obama's failed economic policies.

You're actually laughing and joking that this company went out of business as our Economy just shrunk last quarter. Pretty sad, but it just shows the priorities of the radical left wing.
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One doesn't have to be much of a businessperson to realize that those companies (and every other successful company) did what they determined would best serve their bottom line. Naturally, the party of personal responsibility wants to think that they are "caving". In the minds of those who don't understand business, a company is like a teenager giving in to peer pressure.
 
sangha said:
And you continue to make stuff up instead of offering a substantive and factual post.

Read what I wrote again. I never said I don't have any employees. Didn't say I did either.
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Nice dodge, but your posts are here for all to see and you can't hide what you've said. The point being, if you don't have any employees you don't have a business (or business experience) that's relevent to the discussion at hand. IF you had employees and you cared for them one whit we wouldn't be having this disagreement.
 
clownboy said:
Nice dodge, but your posts are here for all to see and you can't hide what you've said. The point being, if you don't have any employees you don't have a business that's relevent to the discussion at hand. IF you had employees and you cared for them one whit we wouldn't be having this disagreement.
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In other words, you don't know if I have any employees, or if I have hundreds.

But don't let your ignorance of my businesses stop you from making stuff up about how I run my businesses. It's not like anyones' going to notice the dishonesty of your fictions.
 
sangha said:
In other words, you don't know if I have any employees, or if I have hundreds.
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No, you're deliberately playing at misunderstanding to pull your ass out of a crack of your own making. Either way, employees or not, you're either touting irrelevent experience or just plain making **** up.

sangha said:
But don't let your ignorance of my businesses stop you from making stuff up about how I run my businesses. It's not like anyones' going to notice the dishonesty of your fictions.
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Find a mirror and repeat the bolded part until you grasp the concepts. Btw, a business of one with no employees? Again, stuffing envelopes at home does not qualify you as knowledgeable regarding business.
 
clownboy said:
No, you're deliberately playing at misunderstanding to pull your ass out of a crack of your own making. Either way, employees or not, you're either touting irrelevent experience or just plain making **** up.
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You still cannot post anything factual about my businesses or show that anything I said about them is not true, but I have proven that the statements you've made about my business could not have been honest statements.

So I find it off (ie hysterically funny) that you would demand that I stop making **** up when I have made nothing up, while there is no doubt that you have



Fins a mirror and reat the bolded part until you grasp the concepts. Btw, a business of one with no employees? Again, stuffing envelopes at home does not qualify you as knowledgeable regarding business.
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Your claim that a business with no employees can only be one that does nothing more than "stuffing envelopes at home" proves that your knowledge of the business world is not as great as mine. Consultants, real estate brokers, investors in the securities markets, and many others have made a great deal of money without employing anyone besides themselves.
 
sangha said:
You still cannot post anything factual about my businesses or show that anything I said about them is not true, but I have proven that the statements you've made about my business could not have been honest statements.
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That would be YOU who has not posted anything factual about your supposed businesses. You have proven nothing and in fact, your inability to provide any details make these businesses appear all the more fictional.

sangha said:
So I find it off (ie hysterically funny) that you would demand that I stop making **** up when I have made nothing up, while there is no doubt that you have
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Your ducking, dodging and unrealistic assertions have led me, and others to believe you're making this up.


sangha said:
Your claim that a business with no employees can only be one that does nothing more than "stuffing envelopes at home" proves that your knowledge of the business world is not as great as mine. Consultants, real estate brokers, investors in the securities markets, and many others have made a great deal of money without employing anyone besides themselves.
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That's nice, but I didn't make that claim. Those single person businesses are not relevent to the discussion at hand and you know it. If you don't have employees you're not affected by the government regulations that are the subject of this discussion. If you knew about running a business in the first place, you'd know that.
 
sangha said:
I've owned business is a variety including, but not limited to food services, finance, consumer goods, and others.

And I've never had a problem complying with the law. Your posts suggest that you have. Maybe you could give an actual example of this, instead of arguing that it happens without giving one example of it actually happening.
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Did you have a hotdog cart? What? How many employees do you have?

Again, if someone wants to expand their business beyond 50 employees, will Obamacare make that less difficult or more difficult?

Being forced to cut employee hours to 29 helps employees or hurts employees?
 
Bronson said:
Did you have a hotdog cart? What? How many employees do you have?

Again, if someone wants to expand their business beyond 50 employees, will Obamacare make that less difficult or more difficult?

Being forced to cut employee hours to 29 helps employees or hurts employees?
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He doesn't know. His fictional businesses don't have employees. Or maybe they do and he's never been affected negatively by government regulation. Must be nice.
 
clownboy said:
That would be YOU who has not posted anything factual about your supposed businesses. You have proven nothing and in fact, your inability to provide any details make these businesses appear all the more fictional.
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I'm not the one who is claiming that there are some mythical rules causing businesses to shut down. But if you like, I can post a rule that hasnt caused any business to shut down.

Your ducking, dodging and unrealistic assertions have led me, and others to believe you're making this up.
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I haven't ducked anything. Please identify any issue I have ducked. Please include links to support your dishonest accusation




That's nice, but I didn't make that claim. Those single person businesses are not relevent to the discussion at hand and you know it. If you don't have employees you're not affected by the government regulations that are the subject of this discussion. If you knew about running a business in the first place, you'd know that.
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You certainly did make that claim, It's just one of several where you just made crap up because you can't back your claims with anything substantive or factual. For example, for all the whining, you still have not identified any rule that has shut down a viable business.
 
Bronson said:
Did you have a hotdog cart? What? How many employees do you have?

Again, if someone wants to expand their business beyond 50 employees, will Obamacare make that less difficult or more difficult?

Being forced to cut employee hours to 29 helps employees or hurts employees?
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If someone is running a company that employs 50+ people, is properly capitalized and viable, then Obamacare is nothing but a small bump in the road.

And cutting employee hours is something companies do wherever possible with or without Obamacare. There are other laws which require employers to do things for their full time employees aside from Obamacare.
 
clownboy said:
He doesn't know. His fictional businesses don't have employees. Or maybe they do and he's never been affected negatively by government regulation. Must be nice.
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I'm still waiting for you to post a real life example of how a govt regulation forced you to shut one of your businesses down
 
sangha said:
I'm not the one who is claiming that there are some mythical rules causing businesses to shut down. But if you like, I can post a rule that hasnt caused any business to shut down.
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Post where I made that claim - let's see the quote.

sangha said:
I haven't ducked anything. Please identify any issue I have ducked. Please include links to support your dishonest accusation
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The entire do I or don't I have employees routine you've been running. Laughable.

sangha said:
You certainly did make that claim, It's just one of several where you just made crap up because you can't back your claims with anything substantive or factual. For example, for all the whining, you still have not identified any rule that has shut down a viable business.
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Once again, you're re-interpreting what I've posted and responding to your own imaginings.
 
clownboy said:
Post where I made that claim - let's see the quote.
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It's possible that I'm mistaken about that. If so, I'm glad to see that you disagree with the OP and realize that govt regs do not cause businesses to shut down.



The entire do I or don't I have employees routine you've been running. Laughable.
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I merely pointed out that you have no knowledge of my employees, therefore any claim made about how I treat them is a dishonest one

Once again, you're re-interpreting what I've posted and responding to your own imaginings.
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So then why don't you tell us what your point is? After all, the thread was started with an OP that claims a business was shut down due to business regs.

Or maybe you just don't have anything to say about the issue.
 
sangha said:
If someone is running a company that employs 50+ people, is properly capitalized and viable, then Obamacare is nothing but a small bump in the road.
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Really? Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Businesses operate at the margin. Do you really believe that businesses are just going to eat these costs and not raise prices? :lol:

And cutting employee hours is something companies do wherever possible with or without Obamacare. There are other laws which require employers to do things for their full time employees aside from Obamacare.
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Wrong. If increasing hours for workers increases profits and productivity, then that is what businesses do. A massive Government regulation like Obamacare creates a disincentive for them to do that however, and only ends up hurting the employee in the long run. Clearly you are posting from a position of ideology, not knowledge or experience.
 
Bronson said:
Really? Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Businesses operate at the margin. Do you really believe that businesses are just going to eat these costs and not raise prices? :lol:
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No, businesses do not operate at the margin. Poorly run businesses run at the margin.



Wrong. If increasing hours for workers increases profits and productivity, then that is what businesses do. A massive Government regulation like Obamacare creates a disincentive for them to do that however, and only ends up hurting the employee in the long run. Clearly you are posting from a position of ideology, not knowledge or experience.
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You can continue to repeat your dishonest claims about Obamacare, but you still haven't posted any actual real life example.
 
clownboy said:
No, you're deliberately playing at misunderstanding to pull your ass out of a crack of your own making. Either way, employees or not, you're either touting irrelevent experience or just plain making **** up.



Find a mirror and repeat the bolded part until you grasp the concepts. Btw, a business of one with no employees? Again, stuffing envelopes at home does not qualify you as knowledgeable regarding business.
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Um, how do you know that his business consists of stuffing envelopes at home? You don't even know him. Instead of personally attacking him, you might attempt to debate him.
 
5 Guys, growing like crazy, is originated in Washington DC. Just saying...
 
danarhea said:
Um, how do you know that his business consists of stuffing envelopes at home? You don't even know him. Instead of personally attacking him, you might attempt to debate him.
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I appreciate the post, but I suspect it's futile to hope that he will support his argument (whatever it may be) with anything substantive. I have invited him to post a real life example to support his claim, and with his claim of owning 20 businesses I would have thought he would have at least one example. But alas, nothing has been posted.
 
sangha said:
I'm not the one who is claiming that there are some mythical rules causing businesses to shut down. But if you like, I can post a rule that hasnt caused any business to shut down.



I haven't ducked anything. Please identify any issue I have ducked. Please include links to support your dishonest accusation






You certainly did make that claim, It's just one of several where you just made crap up because you can't back your claims with anything substantive or factual. For example, for all the whining, you still have not identified any rule that has shut down a viable business.
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Have to agree with you overall on the conversation. When i was a little younger I had a "low level foliage height reduction" business. (mostly operated in the summers)

As i recall i never had any issues with government regulations either. Not sure what those other guys are even talkin' about.....
 
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