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Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job[W: 104, 181]

Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

She thinks that their performance should be "rewarded". I can see the staff members should be paid for the hard work they do, but the actual representatives be they repubs or dems??? Rewarded? Seriously?
 
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All I said was that I didn't believe she was talking about Congressmen.

I doubt she even knew exactly what she was talking about. She asserts that we do not spend enough at the federal level, so any calls for more federal spending, by her, are expected no matter what the actual subject may be. ;)
 
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Maybe congress should be payed the average wage in America. A fundamental change in philosophy has occurred over time. Congress was created and exists to serve the people and represent their constituents, not for the people to serve them. It should be a humble position, not a dignified one.
 
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Let's keep the thread on topic please. Things that bare not on topic include what another users lean is, or which user is smarter than another, or basically anything that is not in reference to Pelosi's comments.
 
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To be fair it's the people in their district and state who keep sending them back.


All the more reason for a decentralization of powers.
 
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:peace
I thought insider trading, backroom deals, and legislating for personal gain was reward in itself...

Her and the rest of them are a disgrace. You wonder why America is sinking, look to its "best and brightest"....
Says the guy from Chicago.......:2razz:
 
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:peace
Says the guy from Chicago.......:2razz:


Heh, we in Chicago expect our politicians to be crooks. However we also expect a level of competence as well. What these buffoons are doing....well, it isnt competence.
 
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Heh, we in Chicago expect our politicians to be crooks. However we also expect a level of competence as well. What these buffoons are doing....well, it isnt competence.

So you expect them to competently be crooks? lol
 
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So you expect them to competently be crooks? lol

There's something to be said about a man who can have his name in the same headline as corruption and scandal for 24 years and still walk the earth a free man, right?
 
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Okay Ocean, let's try it this way:

Why don't you provide the EVIDENCE you have that Factcheck is not credible. And yes, feel free to start by showing the evidence you have that Annenberg is not credible. Name association is NOT evidence, btw. that is EMOTIVE, but it's not evidence. I'm recovering from an injury and can't do much, so I've got all day to hear your evidence, or wait for it, which I suspect is going to happen. Sigh.

Political Fact-Checking Under Fire : NPR
HEMINGWAY: Well, there's a number of reasons why I arrived at that conclusion. One of the facts I pointed out in the piece was that the University of Minnesota School of Public Affairs had actually done a survey of PolitiFact, and they evaluated all 500 statements that PolitiFact had rated from January of 2010 to January of 2011.

And they found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by Republicans. Now, I can think of a number of reasons why you might cite one party over the other more, in terms of, you know, who was telling the truth and who wasn't. But doing that at a rate of three to one strikes me as awfully suspicious, particularly when, if you delve into the specifics of the statements that they cited, there's all kinds of problematic things contained there, whereas they are, you know, like you're mentioned, they're often fact-checking opinions and providing counter-arguments to, you know, stated opinions.

PolitiFact bias: Does the GOP tell nine times more lies than left? Really? - Conservative News
If a Republican schools commissioner says an annual standardized test takes “less than 1 percent of the instructional time,” and the actual figure is between 0.26 percent and 0.90 percent of annual class time, a serious fact-checker wouldn’t make a different claim and check that instead. But that’s precisely how PolitiFact found the Republican commissioner’s statement False.

If a conservative advocacy group runs an ad saying Obamacare could cost “up to $2 trillion,” an honest fact-checker would look up the government’s own estimate and see that, indeed, the Congressional Budget Office puts the cost at $1.76 trillion for just the first few years.

PolitiFact is not that honest fact-checker. And these aren’t isolated cases. Once widely regarded as a unique, rigorous and reasonably independent investigator of political claims, PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals. More pointedly, the journalism organization concludes that conservatives have flat out lied nine times more often than liberals.

The Ten Worst Fact-Checks of the 2012 Election - Forbes
The fact-checking Lie of the Year

Let me point to the lowlight of the bunch, what we might call the “fact-checking” community’s Lie of the Year: when PolitiFact described a blatantly deceptive Obama campaign ad on Mitt Romney’s Medicare reform as “Mostly True.” The ad claimed that the Romney-Ryan plan “could raise future retirees’ costs more than $6,000,” when in fact the Romney-Ryan plan would increase future retiree’s costs by exactly zero, and in fact give them the opportunity to lower their out-of-pocket costs.

These aren’t opinions of mine—they are facts, based on the actual design of the Romney plan. The Romney plan, which was rolled out exactly one year ago today, guaranteed that all future retirees would continue to receive today’s Medicare benefits at no extra cost to them. The plan would open up the delivery of those benefits to a broad range of insurers, who would compete to offer those benefits at the most cost-efficient price. This competitive bidding process would drive Medicare costs down without compromising the care that retirees actually receive.

Six weeks after Romney rolled out his plan, Paul Ryan and Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) rolled out a nearly identical plan, with the same competitive bidding feature. (It was a previous proposal by Paul Ryan, one that Romney explicitly did not endorse, that the Congressional Budget Office feared would expose seniors to higher costs.)

PolitiFact acknowledged this discrepancy in its report, but then went on to call the Obama ad “mostly true.” Why? After interviewing one person—a senior fellow at a left-wing think tank, the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities—PolitiFact decided that “we simply don’t have enough details to know how much extra money seniors might have to pay under the current Ryan plan.” Furthermore, the Obama campaign “gave itself some wiggle room by stating that the plan ‘could’ raise out-of-pocket costs by more than $6,000. On balance, we rate the statement Mostly True.” Wiggle room?

Only Fact Check, Never Explain | The Weekly Standard
And yet, Adair just refused to answer the question of why his organization overwhelmingly finds Republican statements false. It's not just the George Mason study, either. Again, the University of Minnesota analyzed "more than 500 PolitiFact stories from January 2010 through January 2011 finds that current and former Republican officeholders have been assigned substantially harsher grades by the news organization than their Democratic counterparts. In total, 74 of the 98 statements by political figures judged 'false' or 'pants on fire' over the last 13 months were given to Republicans, or 76 percent, compared to just 22 statements for Democrats (22 percent)."

What the Fact-Checkers Get Wrong : Columbia Journalism Review

But if the fact-checkers won’t listen to their critics, here’s hoping they’ll listen to one of their declared friends, the press critic Jay Rosen, who offered one of the most acute critiques of Politifact’s choice. The Republican proposal would have phased out an open-ended, single-payer, fee-for-service health care program for senior citizens in favor of a very different program that would, in effect, give future seniors vouchers that could be used to purchase insurance on the private market. If you know what the plan would do, whether or not it amounts to “ending Medicare” is an endlessly debatable point. The potential objection to the Democrats’ language is that voters who didn’t know what the GOP plan entailed could be misled—which might make that language problematic, but doesn’t make it a lie, as Rosen noted in a Dec. 22 post. “I don’t think Politifact chose a lie of the year in 2011,” he wrote. “Their sights were set on something different, and they erred by calling it what they called it.”

TLDR version: just because a fact checker says its true or false, doesnt mean it is.

Multiple sources and use your own brain to decide. Dont rely on some "expert" with his own axe to grind.
 
Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job[W: 104]

They all should.

But that would also be unconstitutional. A sitting Congress cannot adjust its current pay. Until we get an amendment amending that or repealing the existing amendment, what the GOP passed is blatantly unconstitutional.

I know.
 
Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

They all should.

But that would also be unconstitutional. A sitting Congress cannot adjust its current pay. Until we get an amendment amending that or repealing the existing amendment, what the GOP passed is blatantly unconstitutional.
A great point. Yet the GOP will whine about an executive order in a heartbeat. They wonder why they are going down in flames.:lamo
 
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Try to follow the context of the conversation.

And yes, the new conservative "the fact checkers are wrong" meme goes right along with their "We create reality now."

I have acknowledged that, for conservatives, the criterion for something being true is if they like and/or agree with it. If they don't, it's false. Nice and simple.

We in the reality based community will continue to sort out truth from fiction via traditional means: documentation, logic, evidence....I know, soooooooooo quaint!
 
Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

Try to follow the context of the conversation.

And yes, the new conservative "the fact checkers are wrong" meme goes right along with their "We create reality now."

I have acknowledged that, for conservatives, the criterion for something being true is if they like and/or agree with it. If they don't, it's false. Nice and simple.

We in the reality based community will continue to sort out truth from fiction via traditional means: documentation, logic, evidence....I know, soooooooooo quaint!

So arrogant. Confirmation bias is just as prevailent with fact checkers as it is with anyone else. Since most fact checkers are liberal, well, you know.

Dismissal of that many examples of fact checking gone awry and this is your response? I dont think the reality based community is in your wheelhouse.
 
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So arrogant. Confirmation bias is just as prevailent with fact checkers as it is with anyone else. Since most fact checkers are liberal, well, you know.

Dismissal of that many examples of fact checking gone awry and this is your response? I dont think the reality based community is in your wheelhouse.

What's arrogant? You got the context of the conversation wrong. Any interest in getting it right?

And are you in fact admitting that conservatives have no interest in fact checking? I happen to agree, but I'm surprised to hear a conservative admit that "fact-checking is a liberal thing." Wow.
 
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What's arrogant? You got the context of the conversation wrong. Any interest in getting it right?
And are you in fact admitting that conservatives have no interest in fact checking? I happen to agree, but I'm surprised to hear a conservative admit that "fact-checking is a liberal thing." Wow.

Did I say conservatives have no interest in fact checking? **** no.
Did I say fact checking is a liberal thing? **** no.

No, journalism is a liberal thing. What are most fact checkers? Journalists.

Stop tossing up arguments no one is making.

FYI bolded is pretty ****ing arrogant.
 
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Did I say conservatives have no interest in fact checking? **** no.
Did I say fact checking is a liberal thing? **** no.

No, journalism is a liberal thing. What are most fact checkers? Journalists.

Stop tossing up arguments no one is making.

FYI bolded is pretty ****ing arrogant.

Yes, how crazy of me to interpret this "Since most fact checkers are liberal, well, you know" as your saying fact checking is a liberal thing!

Wow.

Also impressed with your admission that journalism is liberal and that conservatives are not interested in journalism. I believe that IS reflected in right-wing media.

You sound like a charming guy, btw. Grown men who use the "F" word in every sentence is really classy and a huge turn-on. (sarcasm). Must be those conservative Christian and moral values we hear about so often.
 
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Yes, how crazy of me to interpret this "Since most fact checkers are liberal, well, you know" as your saying fact checking is a liberal thing!

Wow.

Also impressed with your admission that journalism is liberal and that conservatives are not interested in journalism. I believe that IS reflected in right-wing media.

You sound like a charming guy, btw. Grown men who use the "F" word in every sentence is really classy and a huge turn-on. (sarcasm). Must be those conservative Christian and moral values we hear about so often.

Journalists as a group vote overwhelmingly left and lean overwhelmingly liberal. There ARE right leaning journalists, there are just far fewer of them. But you know that. Again with an argument I did not make. Try again and read the post this time.

Second part: more or less a personal attack. Stop baiting, you dont get any points for cutesy bs. BTW, Im more or less a fiscal conservative, most of the social issues dont concern me as much, so play your little game with someone else, I wont be conforming to your idiotic viewpoint of what a conservative should be.
 
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Journalists as a group vote overwhelmingly left and lean overwhelmingly liberal. There ARE right leaning journalists, there are just far fewer of them. But you know that. Again with an argument I did not make. Try again and read the post this time.

Second part: more or less a personal attack. Stop baiting, you dont get any points for cutesy bs. BTW, Im more or less a fiscal conservative, most of the social issues dont concern me as much, so play your little game with someone else, I wont be conforming to your idiotic viewpoint of what a conservative should be.

Sorry, but you are responsible for your words, and when YOU say fact-checking is done by liberals, so you know, that IS saying that fact checking is not a reliable science because it's a liberal thing. And your thinking is wrong anyway. Just because journalists are "overwhelmingly left" does NOT mean they are not professional and do their jobs correctly. That is your implication. MOst people lean one way or another. Are you saying they can't do their jobs right because of that? are you saying YOU can't do your job professionally because of your political persuasions??? That IS actually what you're saying. You are seeing things in a vacuum and with the usual conservative wrongheaded thinking that "if it's left, THAT makes it wrong."

As for your whine about a personal attack, commenting on how YOU post is a personal attack? As opposed to "...your idiotic viewpoint" and using "****ing" before every adverb or adjective????

There's that "It's different when I/we" do it thing again. THAT is arrogance, OC.
 
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Sorry, but you are responsible for your words, and when YOU say fact-checking is done by liberals, so you know, that IS saying that fact checking is not a reliable science because it's a liberal thing. And your thinking is wrong anyway. Just because journalists are "overwhelmingly left" does NOT mean they are not professional and do their jobs correctly. That is your implication. MOst people lean one way or another. Are you saying they can't do their jobs right because of that? are you saying YOU can't do your job professionally because of your political persuasions??? That IS actually what you're saying. You are seeing things in a vacuum and with the usual conservative wrongheaded thinking that "if it's left, THAT makes it wrong."

As for your whine about a personal attack, commenting on how YOU post is a personal attack? As opposed to "...your idiotic viewpoint" and using "****ing" before every adverb or adjective????

There's that "It's different when I/we" do it thing again. THAT is arrogance, OC.

Your problem is you cannot read.

So arrogant. Confirmation bias is just as prevailent with fact checkers as it is with anyone else. Since most fact checkers are liberal, well, you know.

I placed the word MOST there for a reason. But you take it out and ascribe it to ALL. Lord, I know you are new here but did the board you were at before let such lazy, asinine bull**** fly?

Your other problem is that you are taking posts and ascribing it to ME personally and equating it to my values, which you know nothing about.

reminder:
You sound like a charming guy, btw. Grown men who use the "F" word in every sentence is really classy and a huge turn-on. (sarcasm). Must be those conservative Christian and moral values we hear about so often.
Call it a personal attack or call it baiting, its more or less a cheap shot.

Learn to read and learn how to debate the posts and not take cheap shots and we can have civil conversations. Continue to do stupid crap and you can expect to be treated like crap because you are earning exactly that.
 
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Your problem is you cannot read.



I placed the word MOST there for a reason. But you take it out and ascribe it to ALL. Lord, I know you are new here but did the board you were at before let such lazy, asinine bull**** fly?

Your other problem is that you are taking posts and ascribing it to ME personally and equating it to my values, which you know nothing about.

reminder:

Call it a personal attack or call it baiting, its more or less a cheap shot.

Learn to read and learn how to debate the posts and not take cheap shots and we can have civil conversations. Continue to do stupid crap and you can expect to be treated like crap because you are earning exactly that.


You sound a little high strung. Maybe calm down.

Not sure someone who uses the "f" bomb every other word should be sermonizing to others about how to have a civil conversation.

Also not sure someone who admits he treats someone like crap should be sermonizing about civil conversations and whining about personal attacks and baiting. I thought you cons were all about personal responsibility. Now you're saying you're NOT responsible for what you say, that you are provoked??? Wow.

Anyway, no, the meaning of your "most fact checkers are liberal, so, you know" is clear. you don't want to take responsibility for what you say, nothing anyone else can do about that. But the meaning was clear.

And again, you didn't get the original context of the conversation correct to begin with. I simply suggested you try to do so.

Now you're having a hissy fit. Go take a chill pill, then come back. I'll be happy to explain WHY you didn't get the context right.
 
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You sound a little high strung. Maybe calm down.

Not sure someone who uses the "f" bomb every other word should be sermonizing to others about how to have a civil conversation.

Also not sure someone who admits he treats someone like crap should be sermonizing about civil conversations and whining about personal attacks and baiting. I thought you cons were all about personal responsibility. Now you're saying you're NOT responsible for what you say, that you are provoked??? Wow.

Anyway, no, the meaning of your "most fact checkers are liberal, so, you know" is clear. you don't want to take responsibility for what you say, nothing anyone else can do about that. But the meaning was clear.

And again, you didn't get the original context of the conversation correct to begin with. I simply suggested you try to do so.

Now you're having a hissy fit. Go take a chill pill, then come back. I'll be happy to explain WHY you didn't get the context right.

Not interested, you have twisted what I said several times so I doubt you would know the correct context if it walked up to you and kicked you in the teeth.

I'm treating you like crap because you have twisted and lied and contorted what I said because you aren't being honest with the information thats there and reading into what you want to. Essentially lying about the content of my post when you reply to it. Be honest, read whats there, don't change the meaning of what I'm saying and we can get along just fine.

But I don't see that happening any time soon.

LOL this isnt posting angry. When that happens you will know.
 
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Not interested, you have twisted what I said several times so I doubt you would know the correct context if it walked up to you and kicked you in the teeth.

I'm treating you like crap because you have twisted and lied and contorted what I said because you aren't being honest with the information thats there and reading into what you want to. Essentially lying about the content of my post when you reply to it. Be honest, read whats there, don't change the meaning of what I'm saying and we can get along just fine.

But I don't see that happening any time soon.

LOL this isnt posting angry. When that happens you will know.

That's what I said: YOU are not responsible for your words. You're provoked into them.

Anyway, if you are unaware of how angry you sound..kinda scary. You sound VERY angry.

If I were to say something like, "We all know most CEOs are conservative, so, well, you know" in the context of a comment in which I'm discussing the greed of CEOs, you really wouldn't interpret that as my saying most CEOS are greedy BECAUSE they're conservative????

Wow. you should. so, that you don't interpret your own words correctly is not my problem. Anyone who read "fact checking is not credible and most fact checkers are liberal, so you know..." absolutely interpreted it in exactly the same way I did.

It'd be nice if those in the party of personal responsibility actually took some themselves, rather than preaching to others about the importance of doing so, once in a while.
 
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Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job - The Hill-


Whiny bitch should have her entire paycheck sent to the Treasury to cover her fair share.

Congress should be paid subsistence and they should be subject to all the hassles we go through.

No privileges of having free airfare.
The same feckt up Obamakare. Including death panels.
No golden retirement deals.
And on and on and on...

Congress should live lower than the US standard. AND they should be subject to the deepest ethics and IRS anal exams known to mankind.

They are our servants. If they don't like it... get the feck outta dodge.
 
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Well, I actually believe there's a few problems that need to be addressed.

First is, we need to take that money they are being paid, and give them what's left over after they're paid that median income to finance their campaigns.

And taking any more, or anything free from ANY other source, should be a campaign finance violation that disqualifies them from office.

And this having lawyers in the House and Senate is DEFINITELY a conflict of interest, since they are already members of the judicial branch.

They need to forfeit their law licenses while they're serving in office, and for 7 years after, along with a ban on working for ANYONE soliciting or doing business with the government, local, state, or federal, for 7 years as well.

I agree overall but I think when one becomes a member of the bar that it should permanently disqualify them from the Legislative Branch otherwise there would be lawyers who bite the bullet and give up their law licenses and do the due damage and after the 7 year period from their end of public service they could be getting a cushy job in compensation at some law firm or other type of business that directly deals with Congress or the Government on behalf of others.
 
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