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SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

Catawba said:
The vote that shows the only opposition came from 50 Democrats?

Since your interest is in assigning blame for the repeal. Does this mean that you for its re-establishment? Or, are you just playing some game of political one-upmanship?
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This is a major comprehension problem. I am rebutting the blame assigned to the GOP, pointing out that it was both bipartisan, and that frankly, it had little to do with creating the crisis, or causing the inevitable bubble to burst. The repeal of Glass Steagel is a liberal red-herring.
 
Whipsnade said:
I coulda been worse.:( During the first term of the presidency of the

president (who shall remain unnamed) but was president when the GREAT BUSH RECESSION began we had zero job growth.:peace
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The " Great Bush Recession " is the new narrative to convince the low information voter that 4 years into the Obama Malaise that it's some how someone elses fault.

But its being countered with the truth. That Obama's miserable performance is a continuation of a sub prime bubble collapse that was mandated by the Democrats.

I mean its one thing to offer up excuses as the commander in chief 4 years into your administrations failure.

Obama's changed the expression of "the buck stops here" to " the buck stops where I can convince the uneducated voter it stops ".

I get you guys need excuses,but an excuse thats a lie ?

Cmon...
 
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Whipsnade said:
I coulda been worse.:( During the first term of the presidency of the president (who shall remain unnamed) but was president when the GREAT BUSH RECESSION began we had zero job growth.:peace
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And yet unemployment was lower on every day of the GWB administration than it has been on any day of the BHO administration.:2dance:
 
Adagio said:
So you regard and explanation of what you're doing, as personal attack??:roll: Oh the outrage! So sensitive. Your tactics shall not be questioned, lest they be seen as an attack. Grow up junior.
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First, go back and find anywhere in this thread where I attacked anyone...THEN you can accuse me of what I'm doing...

That's what an Identity Philosopher is. He puts loyalty to the group ahead of everything which is exactly what McCain did. It's captured on videa from an interview on Fox Noise. That makes him a putz in my view. Party over country. My comment on the Republican caucus is not a personal attack on any poster including you. It's an apt description of the Republican mentality of group over country.
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Now, please explain how calling McCain a putz is not a personal attack...then explain how you are not guilty of what you falsely accused me of...

junior indeed...:coffeepap
 
Catawba said:
Another trying to establish blame for the repeal. Does that mean you are for re-establishing the Glass-Steagall Act?
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What difference would it make? Per you sides economic 'idol':
It’s true that Glass-Steagall, a Great Depression–era law that forbade the mixing of securities trading and accepting FDIC-insured deposits under the same corporate roof, wouldn’t have prevented the 2008 implosion of Wall Street. Instead, it was extraordinarily high levels of leverage at investment banks like Lehman and Merrill Lynch, as well as the holding of huge portfolios of toxic subprime mortgages by deposit-taking banks like Bank of America, that were the fuel for the conflagration.
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Getting Away with It by Paul Krugman and Robin Wells | The New York Review of Books
 
Eighty Deuce said:
This is a major comprehension problem. I am rebutting the blame assigned to the GOP, pointing out that it was both bipartisan, and that frankly, it had little to do with creating the crisis, or causing the inevitable bubble to burst. The repeal of Glass Steagel is a liberal red-herring.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree and support its reestablishment. Not sure why anyone want's taxpayers to be on the hook for the bad decisions made by investment banks, AGAIN!
 
Catawba said:
I think he is wrong. But's interesting to see you support Krugman's analysis. :cool:
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Fair enough. I don't agree with Krugman most of the time...but sometimes...
 
Catawba said:
You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree and support its reestablishment. Not sure why anyone want's taxpayers to be on the hook for the bad decisions made by investment banks, AGAIN!
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Taxpayers being on the hook is a seperate issue from the repeal of Glass Steagle. I am all for allowing failure to fail. It is the liberals who are not. See GM/Chrysler if you doubt me. I am more than OK with the creative destruction of capital. . ;)
 
Fenton said:
But its being countered with the truth. That Obama's miserable performance is a continuation of a sub prime bubble collapse that was mandated by the Democrats.
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I hope you don't mind my sweeping the clutter outta yer post. Explain to me how BO is responsible for a sub-prime bubble that occurred before he was in office? My way of thinking is he is attempting(with winger headwind) to clean up eight years of incompetence exacerbated by two meaningless wars.:2wave:
 
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Whipsnade, good try, but this isn't HuffingtonPost. You are whining at best.

Whipsnade said:
Increased taxes=On only on those that can afford it, like the top 2 %.
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Oh yeah? Do you not earn a paycheck... because everyone's taxes went up this year. Face it, the party of higher taxes isn't going to go after their donors... unfortunately, the supporters of that party believe they will. But, who is the judge on who can afford higher taxes? What if it is my goal is to make sure each of my grandchildren have their share at $1 million? I can't have that dream? Yet, Sandra Fluke is on a crusade to see how many STD's she can contract in college as a 30-yr old and we are expected to bow-down and obey? So, financial gain is bad, but physical gain is just fine.

Kal'Stang said:
More regulations=Cleaner air and drinkable water.
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Why is Charlotte's drinking water so awful? Along with NYC, Chicago, and every other liberal city out there? Capitalism supported by Republicans promotes devices to eliminate toxins from tap-water.

Kal'Stang said:
More bureaucrats=SHOW ME
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The Obama administration has appointed more Czars then even George Bush. Show you? I'm sorry, in the real world people do their own research. In Liberal-world, people just expect to be proven wrong. Until they are, they will not budge on an idea.

Kal'Stang said:
More govt spending=Less wars=less spending
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More government spending equals less wars equals less spending? No matter which way you shake it, more government spending never equals less spending. Example: If the government spends $1trillion, there is no way it did not spend $1trillion.
 
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DannyRux said:
Why is Charlotte's drinking water so awful? Along with NYC, Chicago, and every other liberal city out there? Capitalism supported by Republicans promotes devices to eliminate toxins from tap-water.


The Obama administration has appointed more Czars then even George Bush. Show you? I'm sorry, in the real world people do their own research. In Liberal-world, people just expect to be proven wrong. Until they are, they will not budge on an idea.



More government spending equals less wars equals less spending? No matter which way you shake it, more government spending never equals less spending. Example: If the government spends $1trillion, there is no way it did not spend $1trillion.
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I never said any of that. I would like an apology for claiming that I said things I did not say please.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Taxpayers being on the hook is a seperate issue from the repeal of Glass Steagle. I am all for allowing failure to fail. It is the liberals who are not. See GM/Chrysler if you doubt me. I am more than OK with the creative destruction of capital. . ;)
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So you are in the misguided belief that Republicans would allow the big banks to fail?
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I never said any of that. I would like an apology for claiming that I said things I did not say please.
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What?

Kal'Stang said:
More regulations=Cleaner air and drinkable water.
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I listed a few very heavily regulated cities (one in which I live)... The drinking water is still crap, and your movement for "clean drinking water" has been alive and well in several liberal cities for decades. What is the disconnect man?
 
Catawba said:
You are entitled to your opinion. I

disagree and support its reestablishment. Not sure why anyone want's taxpayers to be on the hook for the bad decisions made by investment banks, AGAIN!
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Investment banks ? But the GSEs are off the hook for buying up 5 trillion in low quality loans, bundling up trash with good mortgages and selling them to investment banks ?

HUD is off the hook for mandating quotas for low quality loans on the GSEs in the 90s that rose to 50% under Clinton and 55% under Bush ?

Andrew Quomo is off the hook for committing 2 Trillion dollars for the funding of purchasing low quality loans ? ...( HUD Secretary in 2000 )

Bill Clinton is off the hook for putting in his own people into the GSEs from 1993 to 1998 ? Which included both CEOs and over half of the board of directors ?.....I wonder why he wanted over half of them replaced ?. ...Hmmm...Hold on I'll think of it...

Hes off the hook for ordering the 1995 executive order that changed CRA compliance from a process oriented compliance to a results oriented compliance ? ( that means they HAD TO actually show they were lending to low income borrowers instead of showing they were looking for low income borrowers )

The Investment banks traded toxic mixed MBSs . Where'd they get em ?

Well Govt Backed Toxic Mortgage Backed Securities only come from one place .

Its a simple one dimensional world you live in but try not to let it affect the rest of us who rely on truth and objective data when making our decisions.

Its bad enough you guys saddled us with Obama for 8 years ....and his "recovery"
 
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poweRob said:
So you are in the misguided belief that Republicans would allow the big banks to fail?
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Try again whizz-bang. I stated my own opinion. And frankly, the GOP and its libertarian brethren were far more willing to see the big banks fail than the dimwit liberals.

The top four recipients in Congress of campaign contributions from your big bank and housing lenders were:

Obama
Dodd
Kerry
Clinton

In that order.
 
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DannyRux said:
Whipsnade, good try, but this isn't HuffingtonPost. You are whining at best.


Oh yeah? Do you not earn a paycheck... because everyone's taxes went up this year. Face it, the party of higher taxes isn't going to go after their donors... unfortunately, the supporters of that party believe they will. But, who is the judge on who can afford higher taxes? What if it is my goal is to make sure each of my grandchildren have their share at $1 million? I can't have that dream? Yet, Sandra Fluke is on a crusade to see how many STD's she can contract in college as a 30-yr old and we are expected to bow-down and obey? So, financial gain is bad, but physical gain is just fine.
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I hope Kalstag realizes that you replied to his post because it was my doorbell that got rung.:roll:

WTH does Huffpo have to do with my post?I guess about as much as Sandra Fluke eh?What a friggen rambling post.

What if it is my goal is to make sure each of my grandchildren have their share at $1 million?
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Yeah, have at it.

I can't have that dream?
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Nighty nite.


Yet, Sandra Fluke is on a crusade to see how many STD's she can contract in college as a 30-yr old and we are expected to bow-down and obey?
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Lotta things i would like to do with Sandy...nothing that approaches "bow-down and obey "though.:mrgreen:

So, financial gain is bad, but physical gain is just fine
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Buy cost.Buy F,Buy GE.Sell gold.For any more tips Pm me.:peace
 
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DannyRux said:
Whipsnade, good try, but this isn't HuffingtonPost. You are whining at best.


Oh yeah? Do you not earn a paycheck... because everyone's taxes went up this year. Face it, the party of higher taxes isn't going to go after their donors... unfortunately, the supporters of that party believe they will. But, who is the judge on who can afford higher taxes? What if it is my goal is to make sure each of my grandchildren have their share at $1 million? I can't have that dream? Yet, Sandra Fluke is on a crusade to see how many STD's she can contract in college as a 30-yr old and we are expected to bow-down and obey? So, financial gain is bad, but physical gain is just fine.



Why is Charlotte's drinking water so awful? Along with NYC, Chicago, and every other liberal city out there? Capitalism supported by Republicans promotes devices to eliminate toxins from tap-water.


The Obama administration has appointed more Czars then even George Bush. Show you? I'm sorry, in the real world people do their own research. In Liberal-world, people just expect to be proven wrong. Until they are, they will not budge on an idea.



More government spending equals less wars equals less spending? No matter which way you shake it, more government spending never equals less spending. Example: If the government spends $1trillion, there is no way it did not spend $1trillion.
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using the EPA's 100 point scale, the water index for charlotte is 60; that for the USA average is 55
seems your assertion is all wet; much like the balance of your post
Health in Charlotte, North Carolina
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Try again whizz-bang. I stated my own opinion. And frankly, the GOP and its libertarian brethren were far more willing to see the big banks fail than the dimwit liberals.

The top four recipients in Congress of campaign contributions from your big bank and housing lenders were:

Obama
Dodd
Kerry
Clinton

In that order.
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Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders... Probably the farthest left you can get in the Senate.

Break Up Big Banks

Looks like your putting everyone into your broken poitical ideoligical paradigm failed you yet again.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Taxpayers being on the hook is a seperate issue from the repeal of Glass Steagle. I am all for allowing failure to fail. It is the liberals who are not. See GM/Chrysler if you doubt me. I am more than OK with the creative destruction of capital. . ;)
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The problem is that since the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and investment banks were allowed to merge with commercial banks, letting the investment banks fail means letting commercial banks fail which means a collapse of the world financial system, or Great Depression #2. Put the firewall back between investment banks and commercial banks as proposed by the Democrats and then I will agree with you to let any and all investment banks fail if they screw up.
 
Fenton said:
Investment banks ? But the GSEs are off the hook for buying up 5 trillion in low quality loans, bundling up trash with good mortgages and selling them to investment banks ?

HUD is off the hook for mandating quotas for low quality loans on the GSEs in the 90s that rose to 50% under Clinton and 55% under Bush ?

Andrew Quomo is off the hook for committing 2 Trillion dollars for the funding of purchasing low quality loans ? ...( HUD Secretary in 2000 )

Bill Clinton is off the hook for putting in his own people into the GSEs from 1993 to 1998 ? Which included both CEOs and over half of the board of directors ?.....I wonder why he wanted over half of them replaced ?. ...Hmmm...Hold on I'll think of it...

Hes off the hook for ordering the 1995 executive order that changed CRA compliance from a process oriented compliance to a results oriented compliance ? ( that means they HAD TO actually show they were lending to low income borrowers instead of showing they were looking for low income borrowers )

The Investment banks traded toxic mixed MBSs . Where'd they get em ?

Well Govt Backed Toxic Mortgage Backed Securities only come from one place .

Its a simple one dimensional world you live in but try not to let it affect the rest of us who rely on truth and objective data when making our decisions.

Its bad enough you guys saddled us with Obama for 8 years ....and his "recovery"
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Looks to me like good reasons to replace the firewall between investment banks and commercial banks.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Try again whizz-bang. I stated my own opinion. And frankly, the GOP and its libertarian brethren were far more willing to see the big banks fail than the dimwit liberals.

The top four recipients in Congress of campaign contributions from your big bank and housing lenders were:

Obama
Dodd
Kerry
Clinton

In that order.
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Btw... Here's your heralded party leaders... Links and all. You should try links some time.

John Boehner's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments
Eric Cantor's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments
Mitch McConnell's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments​
 
poweRob said:
Btw... Here's your heralded party leaders... Links and all. You should try links some time.

John Boehner's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments
Eric Cantor's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments
Mitch McConnell's #1 top industry donor... Security & Investments​
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Robbie. I like to eat hamburgers too. The question is not whether I like hamburgers, but whether I am the biggest hamburger eater out there.

Is this within your grasp ?
 
Conservative said:
maybe that will happen when you get your first job.
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I'm retired pal. Try it. You'll like it . It gives me times to be creative in my view toward people like yourself. Maybe you'll be as creative in your response? :shock:

This is dedicated to you. Enjoy.

 
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