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To paraphrase(adjusted for inflation) one of the last REAL Republicans, Everett Dirksen,not these phonies that hijacked the party. $613 billion here, $613 billion there, pretty soon were talking about real money.:peace

Get a math teacher to explain to you what cutting 613 billion dollars over the last 12 years would do to the national debt of 16.6 trillion
 
You claim this:


Then in the SAME post:


OH THE HYPOCRISY!


They have no defense. that's the whole thing. That's why they always attack. They have to. They can't defend their ideology.

So you regard and explanation of what you're doing, as personal attack??:roll: Oh the outrage! So sensitive. Your tactics shall not be questioned, lest they be seen as an attack. Grow up junior.

They're what are called Identity Philosophers…What a classic Putz McCain is. Party before country.

That's what an Identity Philosopher is. He puts loyalty to the group ahead of everything which is exactly what McCain did. It's captured on videa from an interview on Fox Noise. That makes him a putz in my view. Party over country. My comment on the Republican caucus is not a personal attack on any poster including you. It's an apt description of the Republican mentality of group over country.
 
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The snowball started its trip down the slippery slope with the gipper.

Yep, the Gipper added 1.7 trillion dollars in 8 years, gee to have those deficits today. Obama almost has the "Gipper" 8 years deficits yearly.
 
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Get a math teacher to explain to you what cutting 613 billion dollars over the last 12 years would do to the national debt of 16.6 trillion

According to a Brown University study, the wars and their ripple effects have cost us at least $3.7 trillion.AND...inquiring minds want to know…where/what was the additional unknown amount that they spent from their $5.2 trillion base budget?:shock:
 
sigh. At no point did McCain say HE felt that way. He said some of his colleagues did. He didnt go against just Bush he went against his party on a variety of issues. McCain himself deals with that blowback quite often from his decisions.

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At NO point does McCain say HE feels that way but he attributes it to his colleagues. But then again McCain has voiced a lot of BS to get headlines in the media. Maybe hes past that, but I wouldnt put money on it.

:lamo....Right, it's not McCain at all. He's just speaking for the other guys. Despite the fact that McCain can't stand the guy for going against the war and McCains beloved "surge" which he points out. Or the fact that Hagel backed Obama against him in his run for president. McCain certainly doesn't feel that way but suggests it's the others?? And you believe this??

He didnt go against just Bush he went against his party on a variety of issues.

Which is exactly why I called McCain and the others, Identity Philosophers. The only value that matters to them is loyalty to the group. It's not that truth isn't a value. It's just one of many, and not the most important one. When it comes to truth or loyalty to the group, it's loyalty to the group that matters most. That means that the truth is always subjugated to the group's Identity and that identity is wrapped in their ideology. The ideology is always more important than the truth. ALWAYS!
 
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Thanks for proving my point, 1.4 trillion dollars over 12 years equals what per year, 116 billion per year so deduct that from the 1.4 trillion dollar Obama deficits.

Conservative math is so funny!!! :)
 
Data from the U.S. Treasury can never be manipulated, it is what it is just like your bank account is what it is. I use BEA.gov, BLS.giv, and the Treasury data, not CBO, not leftwing sites. All my data can be verified but why would you ever waste your time when it is so easy to buy what you are told by leftwing partisans who have no problem making you look foolish.

The very concept of conservatism is based upon human behavior and human achievement. It is all about accepting personal responsibility where you spend in the name of compassion but actually get compassionate results, results that actual solve problems. Not once have I ever heard a liberal blame the individual for poor choices made and for personal mistakes. It is always blame somone else for individual failures.

Love the personal attack, which is normally the case with liberals when they cannot refute actual data. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

The very concept of conservatism is based upon human behavior and human achievement. It is all about accepting personal responsibility where you spend in the name of compassion but actually get compassionate results, results that actual solve problems..

Is it now? What do you base that on? According to who? Where did this concept come from? You're telling me that conservatism is based on something. It's a concept based on a bunch of other concepts or values, but you haven't told me what those concepts or values are based on? Obviously having a basis is important to conservatives. So what is the basis for these bases? Can you tell me?? I'd like to hear it, because it makes no sense.

Love the personal attack,

Did you? Good. I saved it up just for you. Anybody so filled with hate that he would suggest that the president and the White House were cheering the body count of children as it went up...deserves much more than I offered for you. You actually think that this man with two kids of his own, wasn't horrified by the slaughter of 20 children, and that he was actually cheering the body count?? You're a disgusting excuse for a human being and you have a sick mind.
 
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According to a Brown University study, the wars and their ripple effects have cost us at least $3.7 trillion.AND...inquiring minds want to know…where/what was the additional unknown amount that they spent from their $5.2 trillion base budget?:shock:

What has "your" President done to reduce the 6 trillion dollar debt he has added to the debt since he took office? Stop playing this stupid game and admit that Obama doesn't have a clue or any idea what he is doing.
 
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Conservative math is so funny!!! :)

Yes, conservative math doesn't take 12 years worth of expenses and add them to one year's deficits. In addition conservative math doesn't give Obama credit for ending a war negotiated by Bush in 2008 nor can conservative math find the 2.5 trillion Obama claims he has reduced spending
 
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What has "your" President done to reduce the 6 trillion dollar debt he has added to the debt since he took office?


"MY" President got some of the money back that the top % has been dodgen for the last decade are more. That’s a good thing.
“MY” President got us outa the Iraq war that "your "president started (watch Rachel tonight on MSNBC) .Thatsa good thing.
”My" President “is pulling us outa the our longest war. Thatsa good thing.
"My" President passed what hopefully will morph into a National Health-care system. If and when, that were to occur. That would be a good thing.:peace
 
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Yes, conservative math doesn't take 12 years worth of expenses and add them to one year's deficits. In addition conservative math doesn't give Obama credit for ending a war negotiated by Bush in 2008 nor can conservative math find the 2.5 trillion Obama claims he has reduced spending

Name me the last GOP president to cut more spending than this one?
 
Kid, because they weren't on budget doesn't mean they weren't charged against the debt. Any money spent during the fiscal year is charged against the deficit/surplus. You simply have been brainwashed by a failed ideology. Please learn about the debt and deficits and on budget and off budget expenses so you stop making a fool out of yourself.

Kid, because they weren't on budget doesn't mean they weren't charged against the debt,

Yeah...but not until 09 junior. In the mean time you kept spending with no regard to what was already accumulated which was conveniently taken off the books. You and others of your ilk NEVER complained one bit because you never saw the problem. Now you do. Well Whoopdi- fkg- do! We're all so impressed with your vision.
 
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"MY" President got some of the money back that the top % has been dodgen for the last decade are more. That’s a good thing.
“MY” President got us outa the Iraq war that "your "president started (watch Rachel tonight on MSNBC) .Thatsa good thing.
”My" President “is pulling us outa the our longest war. Thatsa good thing.
"My" President passed what hopefully will morph into a National Health-care system. If and when, that were to occur. That would be a good thing.:peace

Really? He got some money back yet still had well over trillion dollar defiicts? My, my a real big spender

"Your" President implemented the Status of Forces agreement, look it up

"Your" President took victory and turned it into defeat.

"Your" President is an economic and fiscal disaster, a real social justice President who has no problem trying to redistribute wealth.

People like you have no problem spending someone elses money
 
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Name me the last GOP president to cut more spending than this one?

Would be happy to when you show me what Obama has cut? Itemize it and apparently 3.6 trillion budgets are less than the 3.1 trillion Bush budgets. Cuts in growth aren't cuts in spending
 
Yeah...but not until 09 junior. In the mean time you kept spending with no regard to what was already accumulated which was conveniently taken off the books. You and others of your ilk NEVER complained one bit because you never saw the problem. Now you do. Well Whoopdi- fkg- do! We're all so impressed with your vision.

Then you shouldn't have any problem showing the amount that Bush hid from the deficits during the time the money was spent. Itemize it.
 
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Name me the last GOP president to cut more spending than this one?

"This one" hasn't cut spending.

For example. (excluding 2001 and 2009, as those were changeover years, and clearly Obama spent much of the 2009) for the 7 years 2002-2008, the average money spent by the Federal Government was $2.833 trillion. Under Obama, years 2010-12, the average is 3.606. That is a 27.28% increase. That is waaaaaay above inflation.
 
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"MY" President got some of the money back that the top % has been dodgen for the last decade are more. That’s a good thing.
“MY” President got us outa the Iraq war that "your "president started (watch Rachel tonight on MSNBC) .Thatsa good thing.
”My" President “is pulling us outa the our longest war. Thatsa good thing.
"My" President passed what hopefully will morph into a National Health-care system. If and when, that were to occur. That would be a good thing.:peace

watch Rachel tonight on MSNBC


You know they won't. But they'll be screaming about after it's shown. I read the book. It was a great read. Everything I knew but couldn't prove, was done in the book. And this goes beyond the book.
 
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Really? He got some money back yet still had well over trillion dollar defiicts? My, my a real big spender

"Your" President implemented the Status of Forces agreement, look it up

"Your" President took victory and turned it into defeat.

"Your" President is an economic and fiscal disaster, a real social justice President who has no problem trying to redistribute wealth.

People like you have no problem spending someone elses money

Yet, “My “President managed to get to get almost 52% of the popular vote, 332 electoral votes. The weather vane got; what? I believe it was 206 electoral votes. PROCEED CONSERVITIVE.:peace
 
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Would be happy to when you show me what Obama has cut? Itemize it and apparently 3.6 trillion budgets are less than the 3.1 trillion Bush budgets. Cuts in growth aren't cuts in spending

I prefer a president that increases spending less than all the others including Reagan. But that's just me and the majority of the country............
 
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I prefer a president that increases spending less than all the others including Reagan. But that's just me and the majority of the country............

Go back and look at the numbers that I posted. A reality slam is good sometimes :)
 
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And arbitrarily agree to the policies that have gotten us to a 16 trillion dollar debt, Trillion dollar defecits and a shrinking economy ?

That doesn't sound " objective" to me.

But Iv'e noticed a trend with some of these "objective" posters.

They've come in with names like "truth finder", "Mr Objective", " Dr Fact" or " Moderate Man" and make some of the most hack worthy partisan nonsensical post to date.

Like the libs who set up the " politifact" and "Z~Facts" websites and just basically push the progressive twisted partisan rhetoric rather than.the truth....or the facts.

Connection or not the endresult is in order to get your word out your using underhanded and lowlife tactics in the attempt to fool low information voters.

Its why their ideology will eventually colllapse under the weight of its own corrupt methodology. That your110 % effort is still essentially based on a lie is indication enough that your in desperation mode.

Interesting...

In all of your banter, not once did you identify the lie told nor illustrate where the desperation is articulated or warranted. If all you have is political/idealogical :spin:, you're got nothing.
 
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You know they won't. But they'll be screaming about after it's shown. I read the book. It was a great read. Everything I knew but couldn't prove, was done in the book. And this goes beyond the book.

She keeps the ducks lined up.Even conservative would be able to understand her if he somehow could manage to pull his thumbs outa his ears.:2wave:
 
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