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polgara said:
Perhaps it's just a case of balancing out the recent thread about Fox News, that Obama lovers used as an excuse for their "mindless rants."

See how fair that is? Good for Debatepolitics, and their policies of being non-partisan! :thumbs:
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Fox is a media outlet. This is the President. You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
It was a proposed budget? Why did it gone in flames if a budget is what republicans were asking for
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Your post indicated that it had not been voted on in the House. It received a vote as recently as March of last year when it garnered all of 78 votes which happens to be close to the number in the Progressive caucus...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
How exactly is he doing that when
none of his legeslation can get
through the house without undergoing a grueling battle
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LOL !!! There are over 30 jobs bills in the Senate right now. They were sent there from the House.

The problem are the things Obama really wanted were passed in the first two years of his Presidency.

ObamaCare, his stimulus and they have caused massive damage to an already weak economy.

What exactly should the Senate pass to help Obama out ?
 
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Adagio said:
You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
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ESAD pal.

Geeze.
 
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Adagio said:
You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
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A little over the top, don't you think? Is there anything special you're offering today?
 
Fenton said:
LOL !!! There are over 30 jobs bills in the Senate right now. They were sent there from the House.

The prowqaaa. blem is the things Obama really wanted were passed in the first two years of his Presidency.

ObamaCare, his stimulus and they have caused massive damage to an already weak economy.

What exactly should the Senate pass to help Obama out ?
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Many of those bills had stunts in them like repealing the affordable care act, defunding planned parenthood, ending food stamps, and other things that had nothing to do with jobs.
 
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Adagio said:
You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
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Hit a nerve with my post? I remind you that nearly half the country voted for Romney, so you are speculating that millions of people have nothing to offer? Interesting that our system has worked for so many years, contrary to what you believe. Sad for you... :(
 
Adagio said:
You have nothing to offer the country and the
country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
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Is that what creating massive structural debts, trillion dollar a year defecits, higher unemployment, 8,500,000 people disappearing from the labor force, a shrinking economy, massive central bank injections, monetizing the debt, raising taxes on the peoducers and increasing the dependent class is called ?

"governing" ?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Austerity is as effective at helping the economy as blood letting was at curing disease. We are cutting too much too fast with nothing to increase revenue, to what end? You can't cut all the debt we have simply by removing spending, it will take years to reduce the debt.
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"We" have cut nothing so again it appears that you are very misinformed. When you have a debt this size you grow your way out of it and it starts with cutting spending and then promoting private sector growth. When the private sector grows the people don't need a massive central govt. and liberals know that thus why they hate the private sector. It destroys their power. Obama knows that, liberal elites know that, and they are able to brainwash people like you convincing you they are right. Give me an example of a successful liberal govt. anywhere in the world?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Your post indicated that it had not been voted on in the House. It received a vote as recently as March of last year when it garnered all of 78 votes which happens to be close to the number in the Progressive caucus...
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Then tell me why it was voted down? There are many ideas in that budget that would appeal to those looking for a solution to the mess we are in. Why did republicans vote against it.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Funny it seems that any proposal at spending on things like infrastructure, or any thing that increases spending is viewed as blasphemy by conservatives?
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Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.
 
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Conservative said:
"We" have cut nothing so again it appears that you are very misinformed. When you have a debt this size you grow your way out of it and it starts with cutting spending and then promoting private sector growth. When the private sector grows the people don't need a massive central govt. and liberals know that thus why they hate the private sector. It destroys their power. Obama knows that, liberal elites know that, and they are able to brainwash people like you convincing you they are right. Give me an example of a successful liberal govt. anywhere in the world?
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Norway, Sweden, Denmark and The United States of America
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Then tell me why it was voted down? There are many ideas in that budget that would appeal to those looking for a solution to the mess we are in. Why did republicans vote against it.
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I'm not a mind reader, but apparently less than half of the Dem caucus itself voted in the affirmative. It didn't appeal to me at all, and yes, I would like to see some solutions come out of DC...
 
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Conservative said:
So you think we have a dictator whose policies are "my way or the highway?" What policies has Obama proposed that is based upon the foundation upon which our economy was built? You think promoting class warfare, penalizing individual wealth creation, proposing a one size fits all Federal healthcare program, refusal to implement any of the Bowles Simpson proposals, demonizing Ryan and Republicans at every turn is good leadership?

When you have a divided govt. it takes leadership to accomplish anything and Obama lacks any basic leadership skills. He is a former community agitator who believes the govt. has the answers even though no where in the world has a liberal govt. been successful. High debt, high unemployment, low economic growth aren't indicative of good economic policy and positive economic results.
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From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.

no where in the world has a liberal govt. been successful.
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Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
 
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Adagio said:
From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.



Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
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Explain California junior.
 
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Adagio said:
From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.

Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
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The reference you're making occurred just before the 2010 elections and was taken totally out of context. I'm not a fan of the Repbs, but I'm less of a fan of those that don't know what their posting about...
 
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Conservative said:
Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.
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Some argue that the stimulus was too small and there should have been more spending in areas like schools, roads, bridges, and other infrastructure projects. And maybe it was the job of the states to enact these programs?
 
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Conservative said:
Right out of the liberal playbook and wrong. Prove that Republicans want to gut SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. It does appear that Obama has certainly an uninformed supporter in you. I suggest a basic history course and find out what built this great country and I assure you it wasn't massive expansion of entitlemen programs and govt. dependence which is at a record high under Obama. Our Founders never supported a massive central govt and Europe has shown that the entitlement state will be buried under its own weight.

I am waiting for the economic policies that Obama has proposed that would have helped the private sector and improved the economy?
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Conservatives opposed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Womens right to vote, Child Labor laws, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting rights act. The Ledbetter Act for equal pay for women, the Affordable Care Act, the Violence against women act. They hated SS when it began and tried to privitize it under Bush. The hate Medicare and try to turn it into a voucher system. They want to cut the crap out of Medicaid. "House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. You don't want Obamacare, and you want to cut Medicaid by 1 Trillion. What happens to these people??
Read more: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

They hate everything that is designed to move the country forward.
 
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Adagio said:
Fox is a media outlet. This is the President. You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.:peace
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"Let every man be respected as an individual...and no man idolized." Albert Einstein
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Funny it seems that any proposal at spending on things like infrastructure, or any thing that increases spending is viewed as blasphemy by conservatives?
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There are 99 conservatives in the Senate? I thought it had a Democrat majority, which means they voted NO against it too.
 
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Conservative said:
Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.
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40% of that went to tax cuts. We need to spend money on infrastrucure. Not more tax cuts. They don't create jobs. When you put people to work, they spend their money, and when they spend money, companies need to hire more people to meet the demand. The consumer is the job creator. Overhaul the US infrastructure and you create jobs.
 
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Adagio said:
Conservatives opposed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Womens right to vote, Child Labor laws, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting rights act. The Ledbetter Act for equal pay for women, the Affordable Care Act, the Violence against women act. They hated SS when it began and tried to privitize it under Bush. The hate Medicare and try to turn it into a voucher system. They want to cut the crap out of Medicaid. "House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. You don't want Obamacare, and you want to cut Medicaid by 1 Trillion. What happens to these people??
Read more: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

They hate everything that is designed to move the country forward.
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You have an extremely twisted view of history.
 
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