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(Reuters) - North Korea conducted its third-ever nuclear test on Tuesday, a move likely to anger its main ally China and increase international action against Pyongyang and its new young leader, Kim Jong-un.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/us-korea-north-idUSBRE91B04820130212

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/12/earthquake-detected-in-north-korea-usgs-says/

Literally after seismic activity struck the land South Korea and North Korea immediately confirmed that the Earthquake was cause by the Nuclear Reaction. This will put tension on the East Asian Countries especially China and Japan which are already experiencing some deteriorating relationships. Will this spark an East Asian war?
 
Frankly I'm getting tired of that little **** Kim Jong Un.
 
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Why is this news?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No. Its kinda expected from the
hermit kingdom. Seems to be just Jon-Un flexing his muscle.
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Someones going to get nuked. I swear with the way these tin pot dictators have been dealt with over the last 20 years.

Do you feel that your Country could actually protect you from an incomming North Korean, Iranian ICBM ?

I think it would be allowed to detonate and then new proactive actions against this kind of thing "never happening again"would be initiated.

The only good news is these are Fission weapons, Not fusion.

So he could take out a small California city and leave a cloud of radio-active debris, instead of taking out all of LA.
 
i am waiting for the AIPAC donors to chime in telling us why north korea should be attacked
 
China's problem.
 
We should sanction them again. That'll do the trick
 
You know, the more NK pulls this crap, the less and less I'm sticking with my previous "live and let live" policy. North Korea is probably the most brutal and oppressive regime on the planet. And maybe they really are gearing up to start a war. I'm running out of doubt to give these guys the benefit of.

If there was any country that the US ought to be invading and "bringing democracy" to... it's probably North Korea. Unlike Iraq, it might actually be an improvement for the people there.
 
Look, here's the simple truth to all this.

The ONLY way anyone in the world would ever take that piss-ant little country seriously is if they have something many would fear.

Best thing to have to make people scared? Geee.... a nuke comes to mind.

That's why any and every country would want one. Or a thousand.

That's why Iran wants one. So others in the world will take them seriously.

Not to actually use them. But if everyone thinks they might............ in a word.............. power
 
TheNextEra said:
What would you propose to do about the problem?
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At this point...levy as heavy of sanctions as you want and the be done with it. Stop having the bogus political theater everytime where we "threaten" them with more irrelevant sanctions so we can pat ourselves on our back thinking we're doing something. Look into any kind of covert action we can take to undermine their offensive power along the DMZ. If you wish diplomacy, work it with China rather than North Korea to put pressure on THEM to allow more significant action to be taken. Help SC out with anti-ballistic technology if they are in need of such.

Ultimately, what I'd want us to do in regards to this is LEARN from it. A largely 3rd world country that's able to be semi self-sufficient with a dictator that has shown little care for his people is not the type of situation where going "Stop that or sanctions. Stop that or more sanctions. Stop that or even more sanctions. Stop that or seriously, there will be sanctions. Okay stop that and talk to us and we'll give you stuff, and if not sanctoins. Stop it now, we're really serious this time. Okay, you didn't stop, but stop now and here's some sanctions" is frankly idiotic.

Thanks to that ridiculous strategy and the mentality of "diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, and nothing but diplomacy" they've gotten to a point technologically where our options are FORCED into being limit because of the capability for damage they now possess. We don't have a lot to propose to do about the problem, because our own **** ups and horrible strategies are what has helped CREATE the current larger problem.
 
Dragonfly said:
Look, here's the simple truth to all this.


The ONLY way anyone in the world would ever take that piss-ant little country seriously is if they have something many would fear.

Best thing to have to make people scared? Geee.... a nuke comes to mind.

That's why any and every country would want one. Or a thousand.

That's why Iran wants one. So others in the world will take them seriously.

Not to actually use them. But if everyone thinks they might............ in a word.............. power
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I have no doubt Iran or N. Korea would use them either directly or by passing a small tactical device off to a terrorist orginization.

Its about what type of dictator WOULD use them, not just power.
 
Fenton said:
I have no doubt Iran or N. Korea would use them either directly or by passing a small tactical device off to a terrorist orginization.

Its about what type of dictator WOULD use them, not just power.
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So you're swallowing the fear-mongering hook, line, and sinker?

So you'd propose a preemptive and tactical strike into both NK and Iran immediately then?

By the USofA?
 
Dragonfly said:
So you're swallowing the fear-mongering hook, line, and sinker?

So you'd propose a preemptive and tactical strike into both NK and Iran immediately then?

By the USofA?
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give him full battle gear and a parachute
let him go fight
 
China has been asking NK to kindly stop with the nuclear programme.

At some point, a neighbor blasting off nukes is going to prevent the oil from flowing.
 
I had a conversation with a couple Chinese guys (civil engineers from China conducting highway work in Kenya), about a year ago. It seemed to me that they were quite sick of nK falling farther and farther behind the rest of the world. They agreed that nK needed to be dealt with before it becomes a problem, and that China was to play a major role in its modernization.
 
Zyphlin said:
Stop having the bogus political theater everytime where we "threaten" them with more irrelevant sanctions so we can pat ourselves on our back thinking we're doing something.
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Ok I can agree with you there.

Zyphlin said:
Look into any kind of covert action we can take to undermine their offensive power along the DMZ.
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You think this hasn't already been done? I was on that penninsula for many years in the intelligence community. There simply isn't a way to do that with a country with 80% + of its military sitting on the border with artillery pointing at your major cities.

Zyphlin said:
If you wish diplomacy, work it with China rather than North Korea to put pressure on THEM to allow more significant action to be taken.
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Again, you don't think this is being done? China is rather stubborn in regards to what they will or will not do with North Korea.

It also doesn't help that we have become China's bitch thanks to our debt issues.

Zyphlin said:
Help SC out with anti-ballistic technology if they are in need of such.
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IIRC we are already doing that, that doesn't stop the problem of a country with 80% of its military bearing down on you.

Zyphlin said:
Ultimately, what I'd want us to do in regards to this is LEARN from it. A largely 3rd world country that's able to be semi self-sufficient with a dictator that has shown little care for his people is not the type of situation where going "Stop that or sanctions. Stop that or more sanctions. Stop that or even more sanctions. Stop that or seriously, there will be sanctions. Okay stop that and talk to us and we'll give you stuff, and if not sanctoins. Stop it now, we're really serious this time. Okay, you didn't stop, but stop now and here's some sanctions" is frankly idiotic.

Thanks to that ridiculous strategy and the mentality of "diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, and nothing but diplomacy" they've gotten to a point technologically where our options are FORCED into being limit because of the capability for damage they now possess. We don't have a lot to propose to do about the problem, because our own **** ups and horrible strategies are what has helped CREATE the current larger problem.
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The rest of the above is just complaining about what has already been done. So it seems your solution of "covert" operations is the only thing new from the non-diplomacy method which would result in an incident that could start a war with millions dead.

Don't get me wrong, I think our actions should be no aid and heavy sanctions since a country that wants to be self-reliant on thumbing their noses at the international community should also be self-reliant without any aid as well. However, the James Bond "covert" actions went out of style in the 90s I believe.
 
TheNextEra said:
The rest of the above is just complaining about what has already been done.
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Thanks for restating the obvious. Perhaps in the process of doing so, you could've actually read my post rather than just looking for things to try and suit your preconcieved plan of comment.

My post fully acknowledged that largely my point was a complaint of what we've done in the past. As I noted, allowing them to get to the point of nuclear capability has created a situation where our options are significantly reduced. What I, or anyone else, can "propose" we do is massively limited because of the point they've reached in terms of technology. An already bad situation in terms of options has became even worse despite the actions we've taken. Absolutely my post is primarily a complaint about our actions in the past...because our actions in the past directly led to the issue we have now with how limited we are at "proposing" a solution to the problem.

Perhaps rather than clapping yourself on the back by being able to point out that I don't have a good solution, you should've actually bothered to read and attempt to have a discussion with someone. Had you have, you would've already saw that I FULLY acknowledged that any options we have right now are limited and likely not too useful, and that my primary issue is that we let it get to this point. You can't put tooth paste back in the tube, so asking for "Solutions" to do so and then acting like a smart ass when people can't give it to you (When they never suggested in the first place they could) is somewhat comical.

So it seems your solution of "covert" operations is the only thing new from the non-diplomacy method which would result in an incident that could start a war with millions dead.

Don't get me wrong, I think our actions should be no aid and heavy sanctions since a country that wants to be self-reliant on thumbing their noses at the international community should also be self-reliant without any aid as well. However, the James Bond "covert" actions went out of style in the 90s I believe.[/QUOTE]
 
Zyphlin said:
Thanks for restating the obvious. Perhaps in the process of doing so, you could've actually read my post rather than just looking for things to try and suit your preconcieved plan of comment.

My post fully acknowledged that largely my point was a complaint of what we've done in the past. As I noted, allowing them to get to the point of nuclear capability has created a situation where our options are significantly reduced. What I, or anyone else, can "propose" we do is massively limited because of the point they've reached in terms of technology. An already bad situation in terms of options has became even worse despite the actions we've taken. Absolutely my post is primarily a complaint about our actions in the past...because our actions in the past directly led to the issue we have now with how limited we are at "proposing" a solution to the problem.

Perhaps rather than clapping yourself on the back by being able to point out that I don't have a good solution, you should've actually bothered to read and attempt to have a discussion with someone. Had you have, you would've already saw that I FULLY acknowledged that any options we have right now are limited and likely not too useful, and that my primary issue is that we let it get to this point. You can't put tooth paste back in the tube, so asking for "Solutions" to do so and then acting like a smart ass when people can't give it to you (When they never suggested in the first place they could) is somewhat comical.
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I asked you what your proposed solution was and you write a half-page complaint instead. I didn't realize you just wanted to complain on your soapbox, my bad. Have at it chief.
 
Fenton said:
Someones going to get nuked. I swear with the way these tin pot dictators have been dealt with over the last 20 years.
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No one is going to get nuked. If Iran or the DPRK used a nuke on someone it would be the end for them at the snap of a finger. Be political, and their states reckoning if that happened. Kim Jon Un is doing nothing but flexing his little muscle.


Do you feel that your Country could actually protect you from an incomming North Korean, Iranian ICBM ?
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Yes. I think so.
US has a pretty good missle defense system i believe.


So he could take out a small California city and leave a cloud of radio-active debris, instead of taking out all of LA.
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Key word there "could".
 
American civilians have much MUCH more to fear from their own elected government than they do from NK.

It flabbergasts me when so many people seem to care what they do.

Especially when America is still the only nation to have ever used a nuke on others in aggression.
Based on historical evidence, the world should fear the USofA having nukes much more than it should fear NK having them.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No one is going to get nuked. If Iran or the DPRK used a nuke on someone
it would be the end for them at the snap of a finger. Be political, and their states reckoning if that happened. Kim Jon Un is doing nothing but flexing his little muscle.



Yes. I think so.
US has a pretty good missle defense system i believe.



Key word there "could".
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I don't. I used to but not so much any more. NORAD could with out a doubt detect a re-entering war head, even a launch signature, but they have very little time to knock it out of commision before it starts it complicated internal set of instructions that makes every "fission" or "fusion" weapon go boom. That set of functions that takes a few micro seconds to complete. Less time because nukes are "airburst" weapons. Detonated at altitude to maximize its explosive effect.

But a ICBM is only half the threat.

The more likely issue is fissionable material or a complete working nuke making its way out of either Country into the hands of idiots.

Like the guys who flew the planes into the twin towers.

It wouldn't be a high yield weapon, maybe a few kilo-tons, but set off in the right area, next to the BayTown Refinery (largest fuel refinery in the US ) off of Wall Street or on Manhatan Island, next to our strategic reserves, a Govt data farm,etc..it would cause catastrophic damage.

Now the US could ( after the fact identify. the original source of the materials to a parent State ) but after tens of thousands dead whats the point ?
 
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