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North Korea Confirms Third Nuclear Test:

Dragonfly said:
American civilians have much MUCH more to fear from their own elected
government than they do from NK.

It flabbergasts me when so many people seem to care what they do.

Especially when America is still the only nation to have ever used a nuke on others in aggression.
Based on historical evidence, the world should fear the USofA having nukes much more than it should fear NK having them.
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Based on Historical evidence we were in the right to nuke the Japanese.

Up until recently the US was the only Country with the moral position to be allowed to own Nukes.
 
Maybe Obama can send a video tape of Obama groveling like he sent to Iran...

Tyrants fear Obama ,,, like Obama fears the MSM...
 
Fenton said:
I don't. I used to but not so much any more. NORAD could with out a doubt detect a re-entering war head, even a launch signature, but they have very little time to knock it out of commision before it starts it complicated internal set of instructions that makes every "fission" or "fusion" weapon go boom. That set of functions that takes a few micro seconds to complete. Less time because nukes are "airburst" weapons. Detonated at altitude to maximize its explosive effect.

But a ICBM is only half the threat.

The more likely issue is fissionable material or a complete working nuke making its way out of either Country into the hands of idiots.

Like the guys who flew the planes into the twin towers.

It wouldn't be a high yield weapon, maybe a few kilo-tons, but set off in the right area, next to the BayTown Refinery (largest fuel refinery in the US ) off of Wall Street or on Manhatan Island, next to our strategic reserves, a Govt data farm,etc..it would cause catastrophic damage.

Now the US could ( after the fact identify. the original source of the materials to a parent State ) but after tens of thousands dead whats the point ?
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So i see your still set in the cold war mentality that someone is always out to bomb us..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No one is going to get nuked. If Iran or the DPRK used a nuke on someone it would be the end for them at the snap of a finger.
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Yeah, not so much in this kinder, gentler, world of Obama rule....We don't want to hurt anyone, unless you're an American overseas, then he'll take your arse out!
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, not so much in this kinder, gentler, world of Obama rule....We don't want to hurt anyone, unless you're an American overseas, then he'll take your arse out!
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Literally have no idea what Obama has to do with old cold war fears that carry on to this very day.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So dont answer the question... Seemed like a simple question.. I guess it wasnt.
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What question? Oh, you mean your premise about 'cold war mentality' and whether or not it applies to those that disagree with you? Well, it's a false premise, so your question is moot.
 
j-mac said:
What question? Oh, you mean your premise about 'cold war mentality' and whether or not it applies to those that disagree with you? Well, it's a false premise, so your question is moot.
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no my question was how does Obama have to do with anything about that mentality?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
no my question was how does Obama have to do with anything about that mentality?
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Because, at least in the cold war there was a genuine respect, and fear from the other side that we would do what we say. Now? Not so much.
 
j-mac said:
Because, at least in the cold war there was a genuine respect, and fear from the other side that we would do what we say. Now? Not so much.
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Your saying Obama doesnt take these tests seriously?
 
j-mac said:
Because, at least in the cold war there was a genuine respect, and fear from the other side that we would do what we say. Now? Not so much.
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Then maybe Reagan shouldn't have gone and ended it.
 
Zyphlin said:
We should sanction them again. That'll do the trick
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So since we don't really want to go to war with China, what do you suggest?

I'd say ignore them completely. They just want attention.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Your saying Obama doesnt take these tests seriously?
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Well, let's see...

As the world wakes up to the reality of a heightened crisis with North Korea following its latest nuclear test, the Obama administration finds itself with remarkably few Korea experts at the top of its Asia policy team.

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On the Obama administration's Asia team, almost all the senior officials handling the North Korea crisis have specialties outside of Korean affairs...

Few Korea hands on Obama administration
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Yeah, I guess that's what I am saying....
 
rocket88 said:
Then maybe Reagan shouldn't have gone and ended it.
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What? How is this even remotely tied to Reagan? If anything the current path can be traced back to Clinton being at fault for giving NK the technology to get to this point.
 
rocket88 said:
So since we don't really want to go to war with China, what do you suggest?

I'd say ignore them completely. They just want attention.
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And when Japan is struck? Or Taiwan? What then?
 
j-mac said:
Well, let's see...




Yeah, I guess that's what I am saying....
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So an article stating that Obama's Asia team has little specialties with North Korea means that Obama does not take these tests seriously?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So an article stating that Obama's Asia team has little specialties with North Korea means that Obama does not take these tests seriously?
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What he personally feels is of no concern to me. But yeah, if, as President you don't have the best and brightest informing you on a situation, or a region, then I think it is safe to say that you don't hold a very high priority concerning the region in question. In this case NK.

Another failure of Leadership from the 'mail it in Marxist'
 
j-mac said:
What he personally feels is of no concern to me. But yeah, if, as President you don't have the best and brightest informing you on a situation, or a region, then I think it is safe to say that you don't hold a very high priority concerning the region in question. In this case NK.
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So what makes these people "non-experts"? North Korea has done many things like this before what have we dont kept a heavy military presence on the border, sanctioned them back to the stone age, and have condemned it. Really seems like he "doesent care" eh?


Another failure of Leadership from the 'mail it in Marxist'
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Yea you literally have no idea what Marxism is.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So what makes these people "non-experts"?
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What makes them "non experts"? is that they are not experts on NK. Though they may have expertise in other Asian countries, just not NK.

North Korea has done many things like this before what have we dont kept a heavy military presence on the border, sanctioned them back to the stone age, and have condemned it. Really seems like he "doesent care" eh?
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What has Obama done to effect anything in NK? Answer, not a damn thing.

Yea you literally have no idea what Marxism is.
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I get so tired of hearing this line of crap from people like you, tell you what, why don't you lay it out for us all then. You consider yourself a 'socialist', just cut the crap and tell me, enlighten me, teach me what "Marxism" is....My guess is that you won't do that because it will expose the usual fact that although you think it is cool to label yourself a Socialist, and wear around a 'Che' t-shirt, you probably have no clue as to what it is yourself.
 
j-mac said:
What makes them "non experts"? is that they are not experts on NK. Though they may have expertise in other Asian countries, just not NK.
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Who are these men and women?
If you feel so strongly about this issue i would guess you have some background on these individuals...


What has Obama done to effect anything in NK? Answer, not a damn thing.
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What has any president done to change the DPRK?
If your just new to this world i would suspect you look at the past 15 years of the DPRK. They really dont give a **** about anything. Dont care about what their allies say, dont really care about their welfare of their own people..


I get so tired of hearing this line of crap from people like you, tell you what, why don't you lay it out for us all then. You consider yourself a 'socialist', just cut the crap and tell me, enlighten me, teach me what "Marxism" is....My guess is that you won't do that because it will expose the usual fact that although you think it is cool to label yourself a Socialist, and wear around a 'Che' t-shirt, you probably have no clue as to what it is yourself.
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No tell me sir. You called him a Marxist please explain how he is a Marxist.
 
justabubba said:
i am waiting for the AIPAC donors to chime in telling us why north korea should be attacked
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North Korea should not be attacked. As I've stated before, I believe the U.S. and its allies should bar any assistance to North Korea. Each time humanitarian assistance is provided in the naive expectation that it will generate goodwill, North Korea ruthlessly exploits that naivete. The U.S., South Korea, and Japan should refrain from providing any food or other humanitarian assistance to North Korea until it agrees to abandon its nuclear arms with a robust element of verification. No nation is required to provide aid to North Korea. Until the North Korean regime understands that the costs of its intrasnsigence far exceed the benefits, it will likely remain committed to nuclear arms and continuing provocations.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Who are these men and women?
If you feel so strongly about this issue i would guess you have some background on these individuals...



What has any president done to change the DPRK?
If your just new to this world i would suspect you look at the past 15 years of the DPRK. They really dont give a **** about anything. Dont care about what their allies say, dont really care about their welfare of their own people..




No tell me sir. You called him a Marxist please explain how he is a Marxist.
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Oh I see, anyone that doesn't have a doctorate in Asian studies, with emphasis on NK history doesn't have the right to hold an opinion eh? Fail!

You posted like it was Obama who put all these sanctions, and actions of long ago in place, now you come back and try to deflect blame for inaction on everyone else, as though it is only the correct course when the big O does it....Fail again.

And finally, NO, You threw out the claim that I know nothing of Marxism, so then tell us what you know about it. Like I thought, a big fat zero, book ended by deflection, and obfuscation...A well worn tactic to be sure, but still a fail.

You now have another chance. Show us you know something other than talking point, propaganda pamphlet pablum.
 
American said:
Frankly I'm getting tired of that little **** Kim Jong Un.
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I don't think he gives a rat's ass. We should just send them some food and act like human beings. I remember our illustrious past dunce referring to them as the "evil empire" and do you suppose they may have taken that personally. We threaten N. Korea and Iran continually and you probably figure that should make them friendly, eh? N. Korea has one of the largest armies in the world and I really don't trust anything I read about that country from anybody. Too much manufactured propaganda. Do you think they trust us, or should trust us?
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't think he gives a rat's ass. We should just send them some food and act like human beings. I remember our illustrious past dunce referring to them as the "evil empire" and do you suppose they may have taken that personally. We threaten N. Korea and Iran continually and you probably figure that should make them friendly, eh? N. Korea has one of the largest armies in the world and I really don't trust anything I read about that country from anybody. Too much manufactured propaganda. Do you think they trust us, or should trust us?
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Aw heck, why stop there, why not just apologize to them for holding them back for so many years, and admit that their troubles are our fault....Then maybe they'll be our friends eh?
 
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