North Korea Confirms Third Nuclear Test:

donsutherland1 said:

North Korea should not be attacked. As I've stated before, I believe the U.S. and its allies should bar any assistance to North Korea. Each time humanitarian assistance is provided in the naive expectation that it will generate goodwill, North Korea ruthlessly exploits that naivete. The U.S., South Korea, and Japan should refrain from providing any food or other humanitarian assistance to North Korea until it agrees to abandon its nuclear arms with a robust element of verification. No nation is required to provide aid to North Korea. Until the North Korean regime understands that the costs of its intrasnsigence far exceed the benefits, it will likely remain committed to nuclear arms and continuing provocations.

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thanks for the reply

why should we initiate an attack on iran in the belief that it might be developing nuclear weapons

while we avoid engaging NK militarily when we observe that they are actively developing nuclear weaponry

justabubba said:

thanks for the reply

why should we initiate an attack on iran in the belief that it might be developing nuclear weapons

while we avoid engaging NK militarily when we observe that they are actively developing nuclear weaponry

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Because NK is scarier.....:mrgreen:

Nations with nukes don't get invaded.

Hard Truth said:

Nations with nukes don't get invaded.

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exactly the lesson iran has learned

justabubba said:

thanks for the reply

why should we initiate an attack on iran in the belief that it might be developing nuclear weapons

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I haven't called for such an attack. Moreover, I've suggested all alternatives be examined. Alternatives could include a deterrence regime with a guaranteed nuclear response against Iran were a nuclear weapon to be used against the U.S. or its Mideast allies or attempted to be used (modeled after M.A.D.). I am not convinced that Iran could not be deterred.

j-mac said:

What? How is this even remotely tied to Reagan? If anything the current path can be traced back to Clinton being at fault for giving NK the technology to get to this point.

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You were talking about how in the cold war it was better. Since it was so great then, maybe Reagan shouldn't have won the Cold War.

j-mac said:

And when Japan is struck? Or Taiwan? What then?

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That's a good question. Taiwan is especially sticky, but since China considers it part of China maybe they'd handle that one.

So you think war with China serves...whose interests exactly?

rocket88 said:

That's a good question. Taiwan is especially sticky, but since China considers it part of China maybe they'd handle that one.

So you think war with China serves...whose interests exactly?

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Wars are good business, especially when you are the largest arms merchant in the World. That would be the USA. You know, we sell arms to both sides and profit handsomely. The only hard part is getting the wars started. The answer is it serves the interests of USA arms manufacturers.

On the plus side, NK is going to be too broke to keep building nukes to test on themselves with before too much longer........

DaveFagan said:

Wars are good business, especially when you are the largest arms merchant in the World. That would be the USA. You know, we sell arms to both sides and profit handsomely. The only hard part is getting the wars started. The answer is it serves the interests of USA arms manufacturers.

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Well a nuclear exchange with China probably wouldn't leave much money to make.

j-mac said:

And when Japan is struck? Or Taiwan? What then?

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China will take great offense with Taiwan getting hit, so I doubt NK would anger their biggest supporters. And IIRC there is a missle defense in Japan is there not that the U.S. provided or helped them with?

j-mac said:

Oh I see, anyone that doesn't have a doctorate in Asian studies, with emphasis on NK history doesn't have the right to hold an opinion eh? Fail!

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Where exactly did i say that?

You posted like it was Obama who put all these sanctions, and actions of long ago in place, now you come back

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No im not. Im saying if he didnt "care" about this situation why would he keep these sanction? Hell he wants to tighten these sanctions with the cooperation of South Korea.
Obama vows further UN sanctions against North Korea after nuclear test - The Hill's Global Affairs

And finally, NO, You threw out the claim that I know nothing of Marxism, so then tell us what you know about it. Like I thought, a big fat zero, book ended by deflection, and obfuscation...A well worn tactic to be sure, but still a fail.

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You claimed Obama is a Marxist you failed to explain why and how he is marxist

You now have another chance. Show us you know something other than talking point, propaganda pamphlet pablum.

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Talking point? Your the one that claimed Obama is a Marxist and failed to go beyond that talking point.

ModerateGOP said:

North Korean nuclear test draws anger, including from China | Reuters

Experts say North Korea nuclear test an 'important step towards weaponization' | Fox News

Literally after seismic activity struck the land South Korea and North Korea immediately confirmed that the Earthquake was cause by the Nuclear Reaction. This will put tension on the East Asian Countries especially China and Japan which are already experiencing some deteriorating relationships. Will this spark an East Asian war?

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I doubt it. This crap has been going on for a very long time, and nobody takes North Korea seriously enough to mobilize after another stupid publicity stunt.

Fenton said:

Someones going to get nuked. I swear with the way these tin pot dictators have been dealt with over the last 20 years.

Do you feel that your Country could actually protect you from an incomming North Korean, Iranian ICBM ?

I think it would be allowed to detonate and then new proactive actions against this kind of thing "never happening again"would be initiated.

The only good news is these are Fission weapons, Not fusion.

So he could take out a small California city and leave a cloud of radio-active debris, instead of taking out all of LA.

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I take great offense to that term.



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TheDemSocialist said:

Where exactly did i say that?

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So now you want to be 100% literal eh? Figures, boring tactic dude.

No im not. Im saying if he didnt "care" about this situation why would he keep these sanction? Hell he wants to tighten these sanctions with the cooperation of South Korea.

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Oh please....pfft. :roll: Yeah, he is so tough that NK snickers at him as they continue to press forward...Tell me when sanctions have EVER worked to bend the will of a rouge dictator into changing his ways?

You claimed Obama is a Marxist you failed to explain why and how he is marxist

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Well, the first most glaring indicator is the class warfare, taxation of the wealthy in this country that Obama's rhetoric has never varied from since his election in 2008. It is reminiscent of Marx's main tenant, 'From each according to their ability, to each according to their need..." Good tax policy shouldn't be guided by "need", but rather should be guided by what strengthens economic strength, and prosperity for all.

Then there is the "soft take over" of our means of production through the ACA, and the tens, of thousands of regulations yearly, like the Dodd/Frank bill that we still haven't felt the full effects of either of those take over's of major parts of our economy. Let's not even get into the law possibly broken by this President in terms of the auto bail outs, and how stock holders were treated in terms of paying off his union cronies, or circumventing of congressional oversight, and ability to legislate by going around them with regulatory agencies.

It is at the least, how wanna be socialist dictator wanna be's operate. Chavez of Venezuela is a good example. Now this is just a short list, and I am sure others can give a much more detailed break down, but if you look at the pillars of Communism, and Marxism text, you will find much that lines up with not only Obama rhetoric, but actions, up to, and including confirmed socialists like yourself, denying that is the case, even as Obama continues to trumpet "fundamental change"....

Change? to what? No one will answer that one....Anyhow, now your turn....Answer my question.

Talking point? Your the one that claimed Obama is a Marxist and failed to go beyond that talking point.

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Well, claims are flying from you as well. Am I the only one that has to meet your standard? Or should you have to meet your own standards?

More Communist ties between Obama, CPUSA, DemoSocialists....

"1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune

3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily

6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union - "He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate - "Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)




9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review

10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them - "Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection." Source: Wikipedia

11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders - Video " "Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate." Source: Wikipedia

12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara - Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star Times


"Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism...Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities." Source: Wikipedia

More "Che" fans from Obama's site:

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http://nevada.barackobama.c om/page.../public/gGVCjm
Get Involved: Iowa — Barack Obama /page/c...up/IowaHQ/CJQ3
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGNXhB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGv3LW

13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama - "Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." Source: CPUSA Website (This line has since been removed from the CPUSA website) - Search for this quote. Also see THIS post on the CPUSA blog...

Then we have this blog on mybarackobama.com (Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama):

From the blog: "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama - This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency...We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people! Source: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama Source: Aaron Klein, WorldNetDaily

14. Obama's Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism - " The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology" Source: TUCC Website "Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950's when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life." Source: gotquestions.org





15. Obama's Opening Band - The band that opened for Obama's Oregon rally (The Decemberists) is named after an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt) that Meloy views as an attempted communist revolution. They also open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem... Source: Jeff Johnson, OneNewsNow Source: Jerome R. Corsi, WorldNetDaily Source: Oleg Atbashian, Pajamasmedia "

Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama


More sites to read....

Barack Obama and Democratic Socialists of America - KeyWiki

Barack Obama and the Communist Party - KeyWiki

Barack Obama and the New Party/Progressive Chicago - KeyWiki

Barack Obama - KeyWiki

If Obama is not a radical Socialist, he is at the very least striving to be one.