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Pope resigns

shrubnose said:
Yeah, if the GOP would move so far to the right that it's in danger of falling off the edge of the evangelical's Flat Earth it will do just fine.

Try that and get back to me in thirty years and tell me how in worked out.

Have a nice day.
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Well, I hope to still be alive in thirty years. But I'll tell ya, you present yourself here as a 'liberal' from Europe, which would put you probably further left than anyone, including American liberals. Tell me, how that path worked out for Europe? Not so well in the modern world eh?

Figure it out for yourself.
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Aw, what's the matter? someone throw out a stupid comment about someone else, and now when directly confronted with it, doesn't have anything left to say? .... Yeah, go sit down.
 
Pilot said:
But, if you were right, would it really matter in the grand scheme of things?
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Why don't you ask gay people who are kept from marriage largely because of the religious bigots of the world?
 
j-mac said:
Probably because, as Thomas Jefferson said quite well, "If it neither breaks my leg, nor picks my pocket, then what concern is it of me?"

If believing in God gives an old lady comfort in her old age, or helps a struggling family make it through the tough times, or keeps an otherwise good kid from committing a crime, then what the hell is so bad? See, your angry because you perceive that Christians want to convert you, when in reality, conversion can only truly happen if it is in your heart to begin with. And, believe it or not, Christians are not all milling around figuring new ways to upset you.

You ought to leave them alone, and they'll leave you alone....Doubt you can though.
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Because that worked so well for blacks, who were kept as slaves largely because Christians thought their ridiculous book taught that blacks were inferior... :roll:
 
Cephus said:
Because that worked so well for blacks, who were kept as slaves largely because Christians thought their ridiculous book taught that blacks were inferior... :roll:
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If the Bible says one thing about slavery being a bad thing I missed it.

Christianity is a great thing for slave owners.
 
ChrisL said:
Yes religion is the root of ALL evil. Not money or power. It's a HUGE problem. :roll:
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It's not just what Christians have done, it's what they haven't done.

Where were the Christians in Europe when 6 million Jews and millions of 'others' were being massacred?

Do people go to hell for what they don't do?

Any ideas?
 
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Cephus said:
Because that worked so well for blacks, who were kept as slaves largely because Christians thought their ridiculous book taught that blacks were inferior... :roll:
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You're also forgetting the draw of Christianity for African Americans, who started learning the "wrong lessons" from the Bible about slavery. That book was a double-edged sword.
 
shrubnose said:
Christianity is a great thing for slave owners.
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On the contrary. It can be quite dangerous to slave owners, hence why you saw waves of either not wanting slaves to be given to Christianity, or have the message of it controlled and isolated from other preachers who were being seen as promoting slave awareness of equality before God, Moses' call to freedom from slavery, and so forth. In one instance, going back to Denmark Vesey, in the immediate aftermath, you could see the intellectual ripple-effect occurring. Throughout the press in the country, there was renewed concern over Christianity's impact on slaves and free blacks. South Carolina pushed out dissenting African Christian Churches in favor of their own, because to tolerate anything else meant possible further instances of rebellion.
 
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Fiddytree said:
You're also forgetting the draw of Christianity for African Americans, who started learning the "wrong lessons" from the Bible about slavery. That book was a double-edged sword.
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It is indeed a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you got slave owners literally beating Christianity into their black slaves, which is one reason why Christianity has such a hold on the black community in the United States, and on the other hand, you have Christian missionaries going to Africa to convert the masses away from those other evil religions, but not all that successfully, which is where you get Christians in places like Nigeria killing albinos to harvest their organs for religious rituals.

Yeah, Christianity has done such good in the world. :roll:
 
Cephus said:
It is indeed a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you got slave owners literally beating Christianity into their black slaves, which is one reason why Christianity has such a hold on the black community in the United States, and on the other hand, you have Christian missionaries going to Africa to convert the masses away from those other evil religions, but not all that successfully, which is where you get Christians in places like Nigeria killing albinos to harvest their organs for religious rituals.

Yeah, Christianity has done such good in the world. :roll:
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You're underestimating the drive of African Americans themselves to Christianity historically. In the attempt to trash the religion, you have removed agency from the blacks themselves.
 
Fiddytree said:
You're underestimating the drive of African Americans themselves to Christianity historically. In the attempt to trash the religion, you have removed agency from the blacks themselves.
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The whole idea of "God will take care of us if we just believe hard enough" has done plenty of damage to black culture, but what liberals have done is much worse. If these people were told from birth that they are personally responsible for their own success and if they fail, they bear at least part of the blame, the black community would never be in the mess it's in today.
 
Cephus said:
The whole idea of "God will take care of us if we just believe hard enough" has done plenty of damage to black culture, but what liberals have done is much worse. If these people were told from birth that they are personally responsible for their own success and if they fail, they bear at least part of the blame, the black community would never be in the mess it's in today.
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You hate religion so much that you're willing to blame African Americans for their condition?
 
Fiddytree said:
You hate religion so much that you're willing to blame African Americans for their condition?
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Not sure where the two coincide. Everyone is personally responsible for their situation in life to a very large degree. There are a lot of elements in the black community that include religion, but certainly is not limited to it, where they have done harm to themselves of their own volition. There are also some external factors that we, as a society, need to work to correct.

You thought differently?
 
Yeah, I thought differently. Christianity became a pillar of the African Americans during their horrible existence in slavery and Reconstruction, and became the backbone of the Civil Rights Movement.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yeah, I thought differently. Christianity became a pillar of the African Americans during their horrible existence in slavery and Reconstruction, and became the backbone of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Well, during slavery, Christianity was largely forced upon black slaves by their owners who made them reject the religious beliefs that they brought with them from Africa. It was "you can't believe that anymore, you have to believe this!" As any good apologist will tell you, give them a child for the first seven years and they can almost guarantee their beliefs for life. A couple of generations of forced Christian indoctrination will do wonders and will stick around for decades once embedded in the culture.
 
celticwar17 said:
Most Catholics view abortion as wrong, but feel they don't have a right in telling people no. I am not one of those people(I am not Catholic any longer) nor my Catholic family... but an argument can be made. Most people think you shouldn't be one-issue voters either. And I don't think it's right declaring who are legit Catholics and who arn't.

All of this aside... my statements still stand true... most Catholics are liberal lol.
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When the Church will excommunicate you for having an abortion or helping someone have an abortion, then this is one of those defining issues for Catholics. And yes, we do feel that you have to tell people not to have them. If you would tell someone not to murder, then you would tell someone the same about abortion.
 
"On behalf of Americans everywhere, Michelle and I wish to extend our appreciation and prayers to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. Michelle and I warmly remember our meeting with the Holy Father in 2009, and I have appreciated our work together over these last four years. The Church plays a critical role in the United States and the world, and I wish the best to those who will soon gather to choose His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI’s successor.” .....snip~


That's what The WH released on this. Though we know there hasn't been much working together as this Pope has been against gay rights, abortion, and same sex marriage.
 
phattonez said:
When the Church will excommunicate you for having an abortion or helping someone have an abortion, then this is one of those defining issues for Catholics. And yes, we do feel that you have to tell people not to have them. If you would tell someone not to murder, then you would tell someone the same about abortion.
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You should tell that to the majority of Catholics...who are liberal and have been historically liberal the past 50 years.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Yeah, I thought differently. Christianity became a pillar of the African Americans during their horrible existence in slavery and Reconstruction, and became the backbone of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Time to note that Dr. King was a Baptist minister.
 
phattonez said:
They should better understand their faith.
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I'm seeing a theme develop here.

Catholics vote liberal because they are ignorant and/or duped.
Blacks vote liberal because they are ignorant and/or duped.

It's not GOP policies. It's that people are just too ignorant to be enlightened about the GOP policies. Which is why the GOP is now saying that their policies are right and that its just their "messaging" that is wrong. As Colbert showed last night in epic fashion.

I'm sure we'll hear the same thing about Latino's in a few years after the GOP conveniently forgets their whole war on them in the last several elections.
 
KevinKohler said:
The catholic church had been doing that for centuries prior to Martin luthers birth. In essence, it WAS Catholicism. It's mentioned even in the cantebury tails, and chaucer wrote that over a century before Luther was even born. Luther wanted to CHNGE the church to better suit his ideals, but the church refused to change. If they HAD changed, he never would have hammered his list of grievances to those doors. It was a reluctance to any change that gave birth to a new denomination of Christianity. Further, if you know anything about Lutheranism, you'll know that THEY abandoned all the dogma, the pomp, and focuse more closely on Jesus words, rather than rigid tradition.
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I'm aware that most of the pomp and dogma were removed at least those which were nonbiblical. Just because indugences were used for centries earlier it still was nonbiblical.
 
Fiddytree said:
Yeah, I thought differently. Christianity became a pillar of the African Americans during their horrible existence in slavery and Reconstruction, and became the backbone of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Where in the Bible is slavery condemned?
 
MMC said:
Though we know there hasn't been much working together as this Pope has been against gay rights, abortion, and same sex marriage.
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And women in the priesthood.
 
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